Who thinks the 2004 election was "stolen" ?

But he could speak so well. He was the perfect figurehead.

meddling in foreign affairs?

HE HAS A DAMN NOBEL PEACE PRIZE!

You know Nelson Mandela was a nice guy but he shouldn't have meddled with Aparteid

And if we had listened to him we would have been off the Mid East oil teat about 20 years ago.

:::clap clap clap clap:::::

don't worry, I'll list a few of his accomplishments when he was President

Department of Energy
deregulated the trucking, airline, rail, finance, communications, and oil industries
bolstered the social security system
the Camp David Accords
Panama Canal Treaties
full diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China
negotiation of the SALT II Treaty
championed human rights

I can go on, but why?

So does Yassar Arafrat.

Mandela is no Jimmy Carter, much to the benfit of South Africa.

My problem with Carter is he is undercutting the office of the president. He did not start this by any means, it really started by the repubs during the clinton years. But he was the first ex president to get this involved in criticizing the current administration, breaking a 200 year tradition. Now, if his own presidency was a bit more up to snuff, maybe, but thats a big maybe.

My favorite president at this point? I think its William Henry Harrison. He did the least damage to our republic. lol.

You are talking nonsense.

Thats exactly what i mean about his black cloud. He did accomplish some things, although the significance of the specific accomplishments are open to debate. His crowning moment was the Camp David Accords, and to that i give him a lot of credit.

He had the integrity to be a great president, but only Carter could take his accomplishments, and put them under a cloud of gloom and doom.

Sadly, perception is as important as reality, which is why Reagan was so popular. Carter got blamed for a lot of things that really were not under his control or were exaggerated, but he lacked the charisma to fight that.

In a very odd sort of way, that's Bush's problem too. I'm no fan of him by any means, but his biggest failure is his lack of true leadership, the gum chewing public is so eager to believe anything bad about him that its just silly.

You blame Carter for the doom and gloom? Blame the oil companies that own the media and the republican party for attempting to tarnish a President for trying to get us off the oil teat.

Ya know what the first thing Reagan did when he entered the Whitehouse? He ripped down the solar panels Carter had placed on the roof.

Republicans also tarnished one of Carter's great speeches by referring to it as the "malaise" speech. Have you ever read it?

Read it now.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps_crisis.html

Carter's black cloud came from the Iranian hostage Crisis. If he had been able to end that, he would probably have won reelection.

you mean the October Surprise ?

excerpt:

"Suspicions about a deal between the Reagan campaign and Iran over the hostages have circulated since the day of President Reagan's inaugural, when Iran agreed to release the 52 American hostages exactly five minutes after Mr. Reagan took the oath of office. Later, as it became known that arms started to flow to Iran via Israel only a few days after the inauguration, suspicions deepened that a secret arms-for-hostages deal had been concluded.

Five years later, when the Iran-contra affair revealed what seemed to be a similar swap of hostages for arms delivered through Israel, questions were revived about the 1980 election. In a nice, ironic twist, the phrase `October surprise,' which Vice Presidential candidate George Bush had coined to warn of possible political manipulation of the hostages by Jimmy Carter, began to be applied to the suspected secret activities of the 1980 Reagan-Bush campaign."

it just occured to me, we probably sound like grandparents teaching these youngsters about this

Yup. If the Grandpa is named Winston Smith.

Bankrupting country probably goes to Reagan and Bush 2.

20% interest goes to Carter

Patriotism and optimism at all time low goes to Carter

Middle East problems - now thats a complex one. Carter did well with Camp David. But his weak presidency probably was a factor in the Soviet Union's decision to invade Afghanstan, and his response was a joke.

But the Reagan policy to the Soviet invasion caused a lot of the problems. Had the US underlying policy been a combination of supporting the people of afghanistan and opposing the russians instead of only the latter, we would not have the same problems we do now. So I give Reagan and Carter equal credit for planting the seeds of the current problems we face in the Middle East.

When you write something that isn't drivel I'll respond in kind.

the patriotism and optimism was a result of Nixon, Carter and Ford caught alot of crap for it.

We are probably closer to agreement than you realize.

The Whitehouse should not have solar panels, it was a symbolic gesture made by Carter that resulted in the perception that things were so bad even the President couldnt afford to heat his home.

In a nutshell, Carter simply could not inspire confidence. Reagan could and that's why he won.

You do know that the US response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was to keep it going right? Our CIA under Reagan and Bush Srs leadership trained the Mujahadeen ( Osama Bin Laden) to keep the war going in an effort to bankrupt the Soviet Union.

The roots of Al Qaida trace right back to the Reagan/Bush administration. Bush Sr (if ya didn't know) was CIA director in 1976.

Go away, kid. Ya bother me.

some grandmother you are

I'm impressed. You actually have some facts right, and you didn't put it as part of some grand conspiracy. Keep up the good work!

Please. The symbolism was that the USA was a forward thinking nation --and we were thumbing our noses at the sheiks.

If you haven't noticed, Facts + Facts + Facts + Facts = now.

Facts + Facts + Facts + Facts = Accusations of Conspiracy theories

Therefore, Conspiracy = Now.

Aww, Kendra, that's so adorable! The fascist wing. You crack me up. Wow. Amazing how someone could just toss words around with and totally destroy their meaning.

You really think a Jew would create a fascist wing of anything? The real fascist wing of the Democratic Party is the Michael Moore/moveon.org wing. They want to expel anyone from the party who doesn't think like they do. They want to get elected based on fear. They're just like the right-wing wackos in the GOP who want to get rid of everyone who doesn't think the way they do. They're the same kind of people.

BTW, Lieberman's more of a Democrat than Reid is in my book.

Funny right?