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Who thinks the 2004 election was "stolen" ?

Steve Mahfouz
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08-29-2006 21:17
From: Kendra Bancroft


In general, you and I think very much alike. The article reminds me of what's being going on in Florida for years. The article says 1932 for Hitler in one place. Hitler was not named Chancellor of Germany until 1933. I'm not sure that's accurate in that article. Just a picky observation.
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Richie Waves
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08-29-2006 23:18
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

anyone know a link to a decent counter to this page? scares the shit out of me to see it all like that O.o

ROFL!!!

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/counterspin.htm

actually its not funny.. its a bloody shambles ...
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-30-2006 03:54
From: Richie Waves
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

anyone know a link to a decent counter to this page? scares the shit out of me to see it all like that O.o

ROFL!!!

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/counterspin.htm

actually its not funny.. its a bloody shambles ...

the counter to the first page is the first page. look at it with dispassionate eyes and you will notice most of the references are stretches to say the least.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-30-2006 05:31
From: Kendra Bancroft
I don't agree with BillyBob for example --and I don't think he's a Fascist.

I don't agree with you at all, I don't think you're a Fascist either. I think you're a diletante.


But I'm a fascist at least, right, Kendra? :D
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MeSoo Bossy
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08-30-2006 05:44
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Little doubt in my mind that it was rigged. It's well established fact that those electronic voting machines can easily be set to output any desired results, and they're deliberatley designed not to record any physical evidence of the counting or data entry procedures. That combined with the fact that the head of the company that makes them promised to "deliver" the election to Bush, and the fact that the exit polls were almost completely opposite of the "results" in many key states, leaves almost no room for doubt as far as I'm concerned.



You are seriously deluded.
Colette Meiji
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08-30-2006 05:47
From: Toni Bentham
The plain fact of the matter is that both parties always have stolen elections and will continue to do so, from school board right up to the Presidency. All we can do - rather than weaving elaborate theories condemning people we dislike - is try to make the system better. Or all that we can do that will be effective, anyway.


This is probably close to being true - The whole fact that the elections are run by people who get their posts through a political process ...

I guess the normal theory is both sides do their best to steal votes -> therefore canceling each other out.

The Republicans are maybe better organized and Dems have too many hopeless Idealists who wont buy in; that could be giving a slight edge to the Neo Cons at the moment.

----Proving the election was stolen or not stolen is impossible. The sheer size of the presidential election would preculde it just look at the massive numbers of people involved in the polling places , and the lack of true accountability of people throughout the system.
Kendra Bancroft
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08-30-2006 05:53
From: Reitsuki Kojima
But I'm a fascist at least, right, Kendra? :D



Yes. But the point is moot since I sometimes agree with you :P
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-30-2006 05:58
From: Kendra Bancroft
Yes. But the point is moot since I sometimes agree with you :P

you agreed with me about Carter! I feel unloved :(

/me sulks in the corner
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Richie Waves
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08-30-2006 08:08
From: MeSoo Bossy
You are seriously deluded.



there are increasing numbers of people who believe it is people like you who are deluded.
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-30-2006 08:19
From: Billybob Goodliffe
you agreed with me about Carter! I feel unloved :(

/me sulks in the corner



I love you, BillyBob --you are invited to Port Neualtenburg for the September 22nd Celebration of the works of JRR Tolkien.
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08-30-2006 08:20
From: Kendra Bancroft
I love you, BillyBob --you are invited to Port Neualtenburg for the September 22nd Celebration of the works of JRR Tolkien.

whats the dress? and do I need to pay...errr...find a date? :D
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-30-2006 08:24
From: Billybob Goodliffe
whats the dress? and do I need to pay...errr...find a date? :D



Dress as something that relates to the works of JRR Tolkien --and you may show up stag.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-30-2006 08:25
From: Kendra Bancroft
Dress as something that relates to the works of JRR Tolkien --and you may show up stag.

my AV looks like Boromir from the movie! does that count?

besides this is a chance to get away from the wives for a while!
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-30-2006 08:26
From: Billybob Goodliffe
my AV looks like Boromir from the movie! does that count?



mmmmmmmmm. yummy
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08-30-2006 08:28
From: Kendra Bancroft
mmmmmmmmm. yummy


see!
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Toni Bentham
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08-30-2006 08:43
From: Kendra Bancroft
Clinton won two terms because of NAFTA support and heavy Corporate backing.
Clinton was the best Republican President this country had in a century.

That's really such a juvenile understanding of Clinton that it's no wonder you don't know what fascism means and don't understand apostrophes. With every reply you make you show your understanding of American politics to be totally lacking. You are not a Democrat.

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Again you resort to the same tired ad-hominems and strawman arguments that make debate with you meaningless, Toni.

Intolerance makes me sick. Democrats are not intolerant. Therefore you are not a Democrat.

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You may not like this but your opinion is irrelevant to me. You stand for nothing because you believe in nothing. The Country is catching up to the fact that liberalism works and DINOs like Lieberman are in the way. So are you.

I know. The opinion of anyone who disagrees with you is irrelevant to you. That's what intolerance and bigotry means.
Hey! Now the mindreader knows what I believe! Tell me something else, psychic
Only fascists use terms like RINO and DINO. You're an extremist bigot just like Pat Buchanan and Jerry Falwell, just a left-wing one.
Liberalism does work. Being a bigoted extremist who cares more about whether everyone in the party agrees with her than winning elections doesn't.

Things I stand for:
* Not being a bigot
* Health care
* The environment
* Women's rights
* The working poor

Things people like you stand for:
* Hating anyone you disagree with
* Running people out of the party who don't agree with them enough
* Attacking people of the other party endlessly
* Being more concerned with winning elections than governing
* Not caring about the American people

Now who does that sound like, besides you? The current gang who occupies the West Wing.

This is why I've always said the political continuum from left to right should really be a circle rather than a straight line. Once you get to the extreme left and the extreme right, they're essentially the same: they care more about seizing power and attacking their enemies than they do about governing.

You're more of a fascist than anyone in the DLC, to be honest. You're just like the right-wing wackos who are ruining this country now. Different terms, same ideas.

You stand for nothing. All you care about is people who think like you getting elected. I care about actually governing and solving problems.

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Didn't say I liked him. Just said he wasn't a fascist.

Didn't say I was replying to you, you egotist
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08-30-2006 08:47
Kendra, by your theory McCain is fascist. He's voted in favor of corporations and the wealthy elite more than Lieberman has. But I wouldn't expect you to know anything as complex as actual voting records, so I'll let that one slide.
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-30-2006 08:50
From: Toni Bentham
Kendra, by your theory McCain is fascist. He's voted in favor of corporations and the wealthy elite more than Lieberman has. But I wouldn't expect you to know anything as complex as actual voting records, so I'll let that one slide.



actually, darlin' --He hasn't.
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08-30-2006 08:51
From: Kendra Bancroft
actually, darlin' --He hasn't.

/me dings the bell to start round 2
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-30-2006 08:52
From: Toni Bentham
That's really such a juvenile understanding of Clinton that it's no wonder you don't know what fascism means and don't understand apostrophes. With every reply you make you show your understanding of American politics to be totally lacking. You are not a Democrat.


Intolerance makes me sick. Democrats are not intolerant. Therefore you are not a Democrat.


I know. The opinion of anyone who disagrees with you is irrelevant to you. That's what intolerance and bigotry means.
Hey! Now the mindreader knows what I believe! Tell me something else, psychic
Only fascists use terms like RINO and DINO. You're an extremist bigot just like Pat Buchanan and Jerry Falwell, just a left-wing one.
Liberalism does work. Being a bigoted extremist who cares more about whether everyone in the party agrees with her than winning elections doesn't.

Things I stand for:
* Not being a bigot
* Health care
* The environment
* Women's rights
* The working poor

Things people like you stand for:
* Hating anyone you disagree with
* Running people out of the party who don't agree with them enough
* Attacking people of the other party endlessly
* Being more concerned with winning elections than governing
* Not caring about the American people

Now who does that sound like, besides you? The current gang who occupies the West Wing.

This is why I've always said the political continuum from left to right should really be a circle rather than a straight line. Once you get to the extreme left and the extreme right, they're essentially the same: they care more about seizing power and attacking their enemies than they do about governing.

You're more of a fascist than anyone in the DLC, to be honest. You're just like the right-wing wackos who are ruining this country now. Different terms, same ideas.

You stand for nothing. All you care about is people who think like you getting elected. I care about actually governing and solving problems.


Didn't say I was replying to you, you egotist



No sweety, I'm not a Democrat.

I'm a socialist.

When did I say I was a Democrat?
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08-30-2006 08:54
From: Kendra Bancroft
Clinton won two terms because of NAFTA support and heavy Corporate backing.
Clinton was the best Republican President this country had in a century.


Link please?
Kendra Bancroft
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08-30-2006 08:55
From: Cannae Brentano
Link please?



I don't need to provide a link for my OPINION, Cannae.
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08-30-2006 09:04
From: Kendra Bancroft
actually, darlin' --He hasn't.

Actually, dear - he has.
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08-30-2006 09:05
From: Kendra Bancroft
No sweety, I'm not a Democrat.

I'm a socialist.

When did I say I was a Democrat?


Then don't tell me who is and isn't in my party. That's like a straight guy tell me I'm not lesbian enough.
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08-30-2006 09:06
From: Toni Bentham
Then don't tell me who is and isn't in my party. That's like a straight guy tell me I'm not lesbian enough.



I'd conjecture you're not if you're voting Republican.
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