Who thinks the 2004 election was "stolen" ?

tell me, are you trying to make a fool of yourself?

No. He's the leader of the Republican Party. Therefore, by your definiton any Republicans who disagree with him are extremists.

You can be crazy, but at least be consisent, Kendra.

I understand you fine. I just find you boring.

she is just irritating me at this point, even more so than kevn

Are you? Everything I've written on this matter has been entirely accurate. Do you even understand what a political party is, let alone what independent means?

Yes, being confused can be irritating. You must get irritated a lot.

accurate in your own little world maybe, the rest of us however are not buying your theories.

so because I think your wrong, I am confused? and you said Kendra is crazy

It's not a theory. It's a statement of fact. Independent/Unenrolled = not in a political party. Political party = political party. It's really just that simple.

If you don't want to believe in reality, that's your own business.

No, you're confused because you don't understand what being registered independent means, and what a political party really is.

*yawn* tell me, what does your foot taste like?

It's all about Party affiliation with you. What's the matter can't seperate party platitudes from actual actions?

Bush is not acting through traditional Conservative values. He is acting through FASCIST values. Lieberman is not acting through traditional Liberal values. He is also acting through FASCIST values.

Why do you keep conflating conservative with republican party and liberal with democratic party?

Clinton = Conservative Democrat
Eisenhower = Liberal Republican

GWBush = Fascist Republican
Lieberman = Fascist Democrat running independently from his former Party affiliation.

how can you be registered independent and not be in a party, since by your definition independents aren't in a party yet you just said independents are a party since you can register as one. please make up your mind.

Is Connecticut For Lieberman an independent Party or not?

BTW there are scores and scores of independent partys.



on a side note --don't you think it's telling that Joe's Party is

"Connecticut for Lieberman" and not "Lieberman for Connecticut"?

It's all about party affilition with you, Kendra darling. You're the one who said I was an extremist because I was a Democrat who didn't support every single Democratic candidate. And yet, a Democrat who's a socialist isn't extremist. That's magical thinking.


It's irrelevant. According to your definition of extremism, if someone is out of step with the leader of their party, they're an extremist. Therefore, a Republican who disagrees with Bush is an extremist, according to you.


Aww, that's so precious! I never did that. You've just proven you haven't been reading, or understanding, a thing I wrote. You're the one who's been saying that moderate Democrats aren't good Democrats, not me. I think someone can have any political belief and be in either party. But that's just my tolerance creeping in.

Minor, or third, parties are no more "independent" than the major parties. I have never heard the term "independent party" used by anyone but you, and a google search of the term only brings up political parties that call themselves the Independent Party. An independent is someone who is not registered with any political party, not one who isn't a Democrat or a Republican.

I never said independents are a party. Read what I write. You don't have to register as a member of a political party in order to be a registered voter. You just proved my earlier point in re: your confusion with that post.

just for primaries with the exception of a few states like GA

Why isn't your magical big tent big enough for socialists?

I'm a Democratic Socialist --which is a "faction" of the Democratic Political Party.
Our philosophy is to work for change within the Party most likely to be receptive to our input.




At the point where a sitting President has a regular approval rating of 30%, I think it's safe to assume he's an extremist and no longer represents anything but the most rabid of his base.




I disagree with your notion that Lieberman is a "moderate" Democrat.
I think he's a right wing extremist. See how that works?

A "moderate" Democrat would be John Kerry. A "leftist" Democrat would be Dennis Kucinich.

I think "moderate" Democrats are great! John Kerry has my full support. So does Dennis Kucinich.

And you are not tolerant. Not even remotely.

Exactly. Since party primaries are there to nominate candidates for a political office by party, most states have what are called closed primaries, which means that only registered members of the Democratic Party, say, can vote in the Democratic primary.

Some states have open primaries; not just Georgia, but a number. That means that any voter can vote in any one primary election, regardless of their registered party affiliation.

Finally, some states have semi-open primaries, where independent voters can chose to vote in any primary on primary day, but registered party voters have to vote in their own party's primaries.

I think the confusion in this thread stems from the media's use of the term "independent". They often use the term "independent" interchangeably with "moderate", or "swing", voters of the two major political parties - people in the political center who will vote for a candidate of either party. Many of these swing voters are Republicans and Democrats, and yet the media calls them "independent" voters, signifying their mindset, rather than their registration status.

In most states, you don't actually register "independent", per se - you register as unenrolled, meaning you aren't a member of any political party.

When it comes to election law, I really do know what I'm talking about.

one small quibble with this

"leftist" = Micheal Moore

I actually take issue with that. While the rightwing has painted Michael Moore as a leftist his politcs have always been blue collar centrist.

Once again, it is. You're the one who claimed you didn't want to call yourself a Democrat, not me.


That's actually a statement I would generally agree with, but it flies in the face of what you wrote earlier.
By your earlier definition of extremism, the leader of a party is the leader of a party, and anyone who disagrees with their party's leadership is an extremist.


And I think it's insane to call anyone who's pro-choice a right-wing anything. That's why I'd say that Lieberman is a moderate/centrist Democrat, or even a conservative Democrat, rather than a right-winger.


How am I not tolerant? Because I don't accept everything you say as accurate? I'm not the one who wants to kick people out of the Democratic Party. You are. As I have said repeatedly, I accept anyone in the Democratic Party, of any race, religion, creed, or political belief. That's the definition of tolerant.

have you ever heard the term independent party, which designates a party that doesn't consider themselves part of the big 2?

umm, I am blue collar centrist. What does that say about moore?