Roe v Wade...For Men

That goes from women, too, right? Keep your legs closed or get tied, right?

A shame that you feel this way about your own children.

And no one is "forcing" sex on any woman (outside of rape) she has the same choice as the man does when it comes to having sex.

-Kiamat Dusk

I thought you knew, all sex is rape.

this explains a lot.

To be fair to kevn, anyone who went through a class taught by a feminist in the last 20 years of college has probably been presented with that statement meant in absolute seriousness.

There are two factors which make male spermicidal drugs a Bad Thing. The first is that female birth control drugs trigger already existing mechanisms that are in her body to supress implantation of a zygote; while this may not be the height of "natural" it isn't far off. On the other hand, males have no intrinsic mechanisms for sperm agenesis so drugs designed to accomplish this usually have to resort to some "artifical" gum-up-the-works mechanism that can have rather unknown, unanticipated side effects, especially long term ones. Also, in women, you only have to stop one gamete with an already existing mechanism, in men, you've got to hobble milllions of the buggers with a mechanism that doesn't exist and if even one slips by....

However, there is a much more critical "user acceptance" problem for a "male pill" which has nothing to do with men. If you are a fertile woman and your male partner says "sure, honey, I've been on the pill religiously for months", how likely would you be to believe him? Now if you answered that you would believe it, recall the generalized but not wildly inaccurate maxim "everyone lies about sex", think about the differential post-copulatory "costs" between men and women of an undesired pregnancy and answer again. I'm not a woman, but to the best of my ability to put myself in one's shoes (metaphorically speaking), I would almost never believe a man who said that unless I trusted him enought to bear children with him in which case it would be moot.

I was unable to find a single course offering at www.oru.edu in feminism... fancy that.

Has the OP ever claimed a college education?

After looking at the link, I have one question.. Is that really a university? Like... a real accredited University/college? or is it a God-school pretending to be accredited? I'm asking this seriously because I can't tell from the webpage. Their pledge of conduct makes me giggle.

"In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent."
quoted in Professing Feminism:
Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies - Catherine MacKinnon

[sarcasm]As we all know Catherine MacKinnon is without question the sole spokeswoman for all Feminists.[/sarcasm]

Catharine A. MacKinnon is a lawyer, teacher, writer, activist, and expert on sex equality. She has a B.A. from Smith College (196, a J.D. from Yale Law School (1977), and a Ph.D. in political science from Yale University Graduate School (1987). She has been Professor of Law at the University of Michigan Law School since 1990, and Visiting Professor of Law at the University of Chicago Law School since Fall 1997. She has taught at Yale, harvard, Stanford, Minnesota, UCLA, University of Chicago, Osgoode Hall (Toronto), and the University of Basel (Switzerland).

Beginning in the mid 1970s, MacKinnon pioneered the legal claim for sexual harrassment as a form of sex discrimination. Beginning in 1983, with Andrea Dworkin, she conceived and wrote ordinances recognizing pornography as a violation of civil rights. The U.S. Supreme Court accepted her theory of sexual harassment in 1986. The Supreme Court of Canada adopted, in part, approaches that she created with the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund (LEAF) to equality (1989), pornography (1992), and hate speech (1991).

Professor MacKinnon is involved in litigation, legislation, and policy development on women's human rights domestically and internationally. She is currently representing pro bono Croatian and Muslim women and children victims of Serbian genocidal sexual atrocities seeking remedies under international law.

so?

She is clearly a strong feminist, and is highly respected by feminist organizations. If you have any evidence feminist organizations reject her way of thinking, I'll be glad to read it.

Actually , sweetie --you would need to prove that all feminists embrace her thinking.

As you've often stated --One does not have to prove a negative and so the burden of proof is on YOU.

Kevn, Kevn, Kevn... just because she is a feminist do not presume to think that she speaks for all feminists, or even all women. Oh, I forgot, you appear to believe that women can't think at all for themselves and must have some sort of "authority" figure to be their spokesperson. Silly little ol' me. I forgot my place.

Don't worry your pretty l'il head, darlin'.

Oh thank you, I don't know what I would do without someone to tell me what to do. I might just have fainted from all that thinkin'.

Sweetheart, baby cakes,

One mustn't speak for every last feminist to be a feminist. That would be like saying Pat Roberts isn't a Christian because he can't speak for every last Christian.

Yet I'll bet you would assume all Christians agree with Pat Roberts.

Kevn, that's not what I said.
I didn't say she wasn't a feminist. I said she doesn't speak for all feminists.

And you would lose that bet, BTW.

No one can speak for everyone in any group. What's your point? Are you suggesting she is on the fringe of feminism? If so, are there any feminist groups that disagree with her? If not, it would appear she is a mainstream liberal feminist.

Here is where the US Deparment of Education lists the accreditation of all post-secondary schools. According to this site, the same organization that accredits ORU also accredits the University of Arizona, so it does appear as if ORU is a "real" college in the conventional sense. However, I don't know how much of a resume builder a degree from there might be.

On the other hand, Bob Jones University is not accredited by anyone but the "Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools, Accreditation Commission" which I don't think puts it in the same class as the schools mentioned above, but it certainly does have an acronym that must look great on a sweatshirt, if you are allowed to wear it, that is.

And since I'm on the topic, Arcadia University recently changed their name because they felt it was perhaps limiting their recruiting ability. I'm guessing they were right even though the old domain name (see the link) has been preserved for people who don't yet know the new name.

Let's try this again. You would need to PROVE that heterosexual sex=rape is a mainstream feminist view. It is not. Not even close.

The burden of proof is on YOU to show that it's a mainstream feminist view.

What is your point? You brought her up. Who cares if feminist "groups" agree with or disagree with her? Has no bearing on Kendra's or my or any other woman's opinion about anything.

Mainstream liberal feminism is pure white. The purest of white.

I think it's time you put the tequila down Taco....