Roe v Wade...For Men

why?

Equal protection under the law requires both genders be treated equally. If one gender has a right to choose not to be a parent, the other gender must retain the same right.

Men don't get pregnant.

So?

Life is a continuum. There is no point at which it ceases, from gamete to zygote to fetus to infant to adult having crazy kinky sex of its own. Every cell is alive in its own right.

That's why I never throw away my boogers and toenail clippings.

Equal protection under the law requires both genders be treated equally. If one gender has a right to choose not to be pregnant , the other gender must retain the same right.

Being pregnant is a temporary physical condition. Being a parent is a permanent legal condition that is governed by force of law. A woman has no requirements under law to remain pregnant, a man shouldn't be required by law to be a parent.

It is not unusual to feel tenderness and a modicum of pain following a vasectomy; it will pass.

Now you want the law to require a man to be sterilized to choose not to be a parent? OK, he gets to opt-out and be sterilized for choosing it, fair.

Next, we can sterilize each woman who seeks an abortion. That will be fair under the law.

See when a man and a woman really like each other a whole lot they rub up against each other and the woman's belly gets real big!

The woman has a choice as to whether or not she gets a big belly, the man doesn't have that choice because his belly stays the same!

If everything goes well and the woman chooses, a beautiful little baby comes out of the woman. She becomes a MOMMY!

The man becomes a DADDY! Even if the man didn't want to be a Daddy he's still a Daddy -- just like even if the woman didn't want a big belly she still gets one!

I guess that means the Mommy and Daddy had different roles in making a Baby. It would be so silly to try and compare two so different things!

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There is no baby, it's a blob of cells. It's only a baby if the woman decides to make it a baby. It won't be a baby unless she forces the issue by choosing to carry the blob to term.

exactly. Now you get it.

It is natural to harbor such feelings following a vasectomy; it will pass shortly. I read that such procedures can cause a goodly amount of pain and discomfort and that can't be good for the disposition.

Give it a few days. You'll likely feel much better.

If you would just go ahead and get rid of the whole things, it reputedly will lead to a remarkable degree of calmness.

You know what? I think we're onto something here. I imagine castration could be an acceptable substitute for child support payments.

The fact that both males AND females who wish to go through surgical gender reassignment must provide multiple Doctor's notes and undergo a one year "life's test" according to the medical standards outlined by Harry Benjamin in his "Standards of Care"
reveals the need for greater freedoms not fewer ones. As if a Doctor and a shrink are better equipped to make that decision than the above male or female. Don't get me started on the "Life-Test" --as if their's a clearcut definition of what it means to live as a man or a woman.

But then I'm fairly confident that Kevn would say that as a transgendered woman I'm crazy and the Government should intercede on my behalf and make SRS totally illegal. He's made it quite clear that only a Doctor and a Supreme Court Justice know what's good for the invidual.

He definately wouldn't let me adopt a baby, newborn or otherwise.

I'm pretty familiar with the Harry Benjamin SOC. I agree with you that this is one of many, MANY areas where psychiatry has way too much control over people's lives. Fucking witch doctors.

That's not to say I don't think a waiting period isn't appropriate. Something like a week or two like on semi-automatic weapons ought to do the trick.

2 weeks is reasonable.

I'm about half way through reading the thread, so pardon me if it's been brought up.

I've noticed several men lamenting the lack of male chemical birth control. It's been developed, they've had it for at least a year from the news stories I'd read. The reason that was given for it not being picked up by a pharmicutical company? In their studies and market tests they found that most men weren't willing to put up with the side effects (which were no worse than the side effects women on the Pill put up with). Men who trialed it were excited at first at a chance to control their sperm... then heaven forfend they have something unpleasant to get it. They dropped the drug like flies. They're working on making new ones though, ones with more acceptable (read none) side effects.

As for the topic itself? If women can make the choice to continue or not with a pregnancy and the raising of the child, I've always believed that men should have that same choice. At the very least then the woman would know exactly what she was getting to help her before she has to make her own choice. Men who don't want to pay child support can disappear, leaving women high and dry. If they're going to ditch, let them ditch early while abortion and adoption are still options.

Switch the gender of what's being said by so many in this forum. If men don't want kids they should keep it in their pants? Well, if women don't want kids, they should keep their legs shut.... Oh wait, one of those sentences was horribly inappropriate and the other society blindly accepts...

As for Sara, When you're boyfriend complains about condoms, hand him a sock and a jar of vasoline, and tell him to do it himself then. I find this approach trains men to the proper response of "Yes Ma'am" and whipping out a rubber willingly.

*shakes head

Yes the world is insane.

Poor children.

Wow, I thought this thread had died...



Of course, then we get into the whole "Hi, Bill... Remember that one night a year and a half ago, at Bob's party? Yeah... You owe me child support for this brat now" method of informing the father, which IMO should be an automatic forfiture of any right to child support, but sadly is NOT in our society.



Aren't double standards fun?

My feelings exactly.

I guess there isn't a need for abortion anymore, right?

Now I'm normally prochoice..but this brings up a major point.

You want men to take the responsibility for a child and always have to pay child support? Ok.. on one condition. Abortions only for the health of the mother or in cases
like rape/abuse/incest/etc.

Resposibility goes bothth ways. he can keep it in his apnts and she can keep her legs closed. Simple enough..and no double standard. You want abortion? We want equal choice.

Kiamat, when you can carry a child to term, sure. I've had three, and I wouldn't force it on any woman for all the world.

Until then, get snipped or keep it tucked, or only have sex with women who agree with you.