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Roe v Wade...For Men

Kevn Klein
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03-14-2006 11:43
From: Sally Rosebud
Are you trying to say I'm being emotional?

Now.... relax..... don't get angry..... *backs away slowly* no Sally, I don't think you are being emotional at all......
Sally Rosebud
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03-14-2006 11:44
From: Kevn Klein
Now.... relax..... don't get angry..... *backs away slowly* no Sally, I don't think you are being emotional at all......


Why do you hate women?
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Jonas Pierterson
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03-14-2006 11:46
Why do you hate men?
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Kevn Klein
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03-14-2006 11:47
From: Sally Rosebud
Why do you hate women?

Ummm, I think that is an emotional response.
Sally Rosebud
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03-14-2006 11:48
From: Jonas Pierterson
Why do you hate men?


I wasn't asking you, besides, I already answered. Learn to read.
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Sally Rosebud
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03-14-2006 11:48
From: Kevn Klein
Ummm, I think that is an emotional response.


Why are you avoiding answering the question?
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Azazel Trescothick
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03-14-2006 11:49
From: Jonas Pierterson
Yet logic -should- apply to the rights issue. Emotion should be thrown out the window on it..otherwise we end up overcompensating..huting those whose ancestors had oppressed, or denying equal rights to thsoe born one way because the other group used to be oppressed..

oh wait

thats what we have now


I don't believe in compensation because what is it going to solve? You can't take away the pain from people that suffered from the past with money!

We are still in the process of evolving as humans and either we will evolve into our complete equal state of mind or we will all blow ourselves up trying because it will drive us batty because in nature, we're all unique.

AS human beings, we should not have to suffer discrimination to the point to where there is nowhere to go. Right now even though there are people that still suffer with discrimination, all people of all colors, if that door closes you go to another door and that door opens. I had to deal with that. One door opened and out came a pig squeaking and closes the door and just when I thought it was hopeless I go to another door that opens and they aren't like that pig. Just in case you are wondering, pig in my mind isn't just for men either. Women can be pigs, men can be pigs.

You would still be born a male, now choose what race? I can't tell you your stats without your race as well and if anyone uses that against you to scream racist because that is the trend I'm sure you are tired of, I'll just down their throat. This is a game. Play it because you like it and you want to.
Joy Honey
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03-14-2006 11:50
From: Jonas Pierterson
The argument that women deserve more because of the birthing procedure etc, is an emotional one. Not logical.


How is that emotional? Women have different plumbing than men. We have periods. We have the ability to get pregnant. Men don't get periods nor can they get pregnant. I don't really see any emotional argument here. The emotional argument comes in by calling this proposal "Roe v. Wade for men" and it's about child support - not abortion.
Guess you guys are more emotional than I gave you credit for... :rolleyes:
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Kevn Klein
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03-14-2006 11:51
From: Sally Rosebud
Why are you avoiding answering the question?

I avoid being drawn into an emotional shouting match. When you ask a logical question concerning the topic, I'll be happy to answer.
Sally Rosebud
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03-14-2006 11:53
I'm perfectly calm Kevn, I'm just using your "logic"
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Jonas Pierterson
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03-14-2006 11:54
Hell, I'd settle for once race, Azazel..but I'd pick hebrew or romani, in honor of my ancestors

edit: Joy, and how about giving men the equal 'abortion' by being able to cut off their responsibility too? Thats what this is about.
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03-14-2006 11:56
why do you hate girls who are boys who like boys to be girls who do boys like they’re girls who do girls like they’re boys? :(
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03-14-2006 11:57
There is such a thing as insane logic, you know. And "equal rights means right to an abortion = right to duck child support" is truly a classic example of it.

I should also point out that emotional does not equate with illogical.

When "everything equals everything", sanity has left the building.
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Jonas Pierterson
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03-14-2006 12:00
how so? The woman could be responsible too.. so stopping child support is sane logic

edit:

preemptive bit - except in the cases of rape or abuse you can say the following:

Men can keep it in their pants.

The response: Women can keep their legs closed.
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Ananda Sandgrain
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03-14-2006 12:09
I'm not sure I get what you're asking.

Abortion and child support are related but different issues. Equating them is the insane logic here.
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03-14-2006 12:11
Woman: I screwed up and had uprotected sex!

Society: Come right this way, my dear. Here are several options for you. You won't have to suffer anything you don't want to.

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Man: I screwed up and had unprotected sex!

Society: Come right this way, here is your new life whereby you pay out the ass for the next 18 years, you sex-fiend.
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Jonas Pierterson
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03-14-2006 12:14
the base responsibility is the issue.

A woman can have an optional abortion. Without the fathers agreement. Or keep it. Again without agreement. A woman can do this and not have the responsibility of a child.

But a man who fathers a child (remember though, it takes 2) has to support this child. No choice.

Perhaps less an 'equal rights' issue and more an 'equal accountability/responsibility' issue.
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Ananda Sandgrain
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03-14-2006 12:15
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Woman: I screwed up and had uprotected sex!

Society: Come right this way, my dear. Here are several options for you. You won't have to suffer anything you don't want to.

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Man: I screwed up and had unprotected sex!

Society: Come right this way, here is your new life whereby you pay out the ass for the next 18 years, you sex-fiend.


Where'd the baby go? :eek:

If the woman has an abortion - the man pays no child support.

If the baby is adopted - the man pays no child support.

If the woman decides to raise the baby on her own - the man gets to pay her off in exchange for not having to bother with the child.

Oh, the poor, poor man. *sob*
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03-14-2006 12:16
From: Ananda Sandgrain
Where'd the baby go? :eek:


You mean the blob of cells? :D
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Lecktor Hannibal
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03-14-2006 12:16
From: Jonas Pierterson
A woman can do this and not have the responsibility of a child.

What part of 9 months of pregnancy; pain of childbirth; and 18 years of child rearing is not having responsibility? :confused:
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03-14-2006 12:18
From: Jonas Pierterson
but I'd pick hebrew or romani, in honor of my ancestors
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03-14-2006 12:20
i liked my Blur reference, you ungrateful bastards. :(
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03-14-2006 12:20
From: Jonas Pierterson
there should be laws requiring a mother to get the fathers agreement before havign a child. period.



Holy Crap! You CAN'T Be serious!
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Jonas Pierterson
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03-14-2006 12:22
I wish kendra:P I'm a youngin though, no kids.

Lektor: have an abortion or don't spread your legs. They CHOOSE to take the responsibility. Don't drag anyone else into your choice.

edit: yes, Kendra, I am. It takes two to tango..you want to draw child support for 18 yeasrs its only right that he have a say in if its born.

ananda: The woman chose to have sex too, knowing that him not being there was a possibility. He doesn't pay. Boohoo. Poor woman
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Lecktor Hannibal
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03-14-2006 12:23
From: Jonas Pierterson
I wish kendra:P I'm a youngin though, no kids.

Lektor: have an abortion or don't spread your legs. They CHOOSE to take the responsibility. Don't drag anyone else into your choice.

I believe it was you who said it takes 2 no?
'Nuff said.
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