Roe v Wade...For Men

I am arguing their position.

Let me ask you, if this scenario is presented what will be the position of the their side..

Child is diagnosed with a condition that will require many early childhood surgeries, then the child will suffer for life without a gender, resulting in all the issues she has listed.

Now, do you think they would find fault in choosing abortion in cases such as this?

This is the heart of the "late-term" abortion, where parents choose to end possible future suffering.

Ok this is what I take to task, maybe I read it wrong and YOU need to break it WAY down.

That is so wrong... in so many ways.

You know, that may not be something they know until the child is born.

Annnnnnd it goes a little something like this-hit it!

1. Kevn says no one would blame Kendra's parents for aborting her.
2. I say this is a digusting remark and goes in the face of everything we've been fighting for. In other words: Every life has value including Kendra.

And now for the remix...

Kendra and I disagree on just about everything. Vehemently disagree. She's even admitted a desire to cause me..ahem...physical harm.

BUT...

I would blame her parents for aborting her. I do not now nor have I ever wished death or harm on Kendra or anyone else in these forums no matter how strongly opposed I am to some of their positions.

Is that a little clearer?

-Kiamat Dusk

Of course you were going there, Kevn. That was the intent of your question afterall.
An actually no, as I said I was a twin and my sexual ambiguity wouldn't have shown up on any sonogram even now let alone in the early 60's. Even if it had, no doctor is going to abort one twin with a possible anomaly and risk a perfectly healthy other twin.

But hey, I figured pretty much that after I spilled my guts on the forums, you would come up with your usual compassionate response.

I'm an adult, sweetiekins --I identify with other adults (women in particular). I see in the betrayal of my body, not the plight of a collection of cells, but that of a breathing living human being. My response to Kiamat was not an attempt on my part to justify abortion. It was to inform Kiamat of where I come by my passionate defense of a woman's right to choose what happens to her own body.

I don't care if you agree with me or not, Kevbo. But your glib response shows me how shallow your own position is.

Sonograms of today will show these issues.

You're quite correct, Jonas.

If you're interested in further info

isna.org is a great education

Again...

You make a good point in noting that Kendra could have easily been the victim of her own beliefs had her parents found out about her condition and her mother exercised her "right" to an abortion for precisely all the reasons that Kendra and others have mentioned in this thread. (suffering...yadda yadda)

However, by saying "no one would blame them" it sounds to me like you're wishing she were dead which is just plain fucked up.


-Kiamat Dusk

See the post above yours Kevn...

You f,,,, moron, we aren't talking about sonograms of today in this current tack. And I'll beg to differ with you that a sonogram would show ovo-testes. My label of moron stands.

Don't sweat it, hon. I got your meaning

actually -- they won't.

very well, I did read you wrong.

Yeah, but Lek called me a fucking endzone dancing, goal post headbutting prick! Man! And with Rei hating on me, too! I can't get no love from my fellow 'publicans.

...all a bunch of McCain Republicans anyway...

-Kiamat Dusk
...Reagan Republican...

Read back, I have been using their logic in several postings, to show how twisted it is. They don't find it twisted, as you do. They usually agree. They were upset with you, not me. Too funny, huh?

I obviously wasn't suggesting pro-lifers would support killing a fetus for a disfunction. I would think you would know my feelings in that regard enough to know I'm against abortion in all cases where the woman's life isn't in danger

McCain is our only hope

Damn you, Kevn. Damn you straight to Berkely, California for making come out in Kendra's defense...

-Kiamat Dusk

They will. They show not only the fetus, but all of her inside parts as well.

No...no... not Berkeley.... aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggg!!!!!!

ooh - SCORE!!

My position on this is the same as Spiderman's: With great power comes great responsibility.

If you have a child, take responsibility for that. Become a part of that child's life. If you and the parent that has custody can't handle that, do what you can financially. Anything else is just a gambit for avoiding that responsibility.

I do feel the courts tend to be prejudiced in favor of the mother, as far as custody goes. In many cases a child might be better off with her father instead of her mother. But this is uncommon, and possession is 9/10 of the law, you might say.

My "leftist" viewpoint on this is that applying the law equally should mean that mothers should pay child support if the father has custody.

Sweetie, a sonogram of today would have difficulty picking up all that on my body as an ADULT. It requires an endoscopic laparoscopy or an invasive surgical looksee.

1 in 2,000 births in this country are some form of intersexed and NONE of them are detected prior to birth.

So it's "uncommon" for a father to be a better or at least as good a parent as a mother? Sexist much?

It's incredible how much chauvanism women get away with when it comes to this topic. This is why when I'm out alone with my kids everyone is like "Oh, I see you're babysitting!" Oh, gee-I thought I was parenting!

Children are best off when both parents play an active role in their raising. Each parent plays a different, but no less significant role in their development. And having a womb doesn't give women some sort of biological leg up on the parenting skills.

Think about what you're saying. Carry this through and you're implying that male/male couples are less fit to be parents as well. I don't think your Lefty buddies would be too thrilled about that little theory.

-Kiamat Dusk

with the exception that two parents are needed to raise a child, I find myself agreeing with this completely. One parent of either gender (providing the parent is a caring thoughtful nurturer) is just fine.

Dear god --when will all this agreeing with Kiamat end for me. I can't stand it.

"AIS has been diagnosed as early as 9-12 weeks gestation by chorionic villus sampling (sampling tissue from the fetal side of the placenta). By the 16th week it can be detected by ultrasound and amniocentesis. However, prenatal diagnosis is not indicated unless there is a family history of AIS."

http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Gender/intersexuals/intersexuality_faq.htm