"The Foundation for Rich Content" (FFRC)

Persephone Phoenix: that's something that might be a really strong reason not to buy. We'll see.
Persephone Phoenix: ooo congrats, Mac. hehe
Maczter Oddfellow: i actually have a meeting space that was built for the mac user's group that we could use
Adri Saarinen: Peter says waiting a week is agreeable to him.
Persephone Phoenix: Ok. We have the cash flow, but (ah great)
Zenigma Suntzu: I think having the fixed location you've previously promoted is like changing your domain name.
Persephone Phoenix: no treasurer to answer questions.
Zenigma Suntzu: there's some overhead associated with that.
Persephone Phoenix: yeah totally,zen. I hear ya.
<b>Persephone Phoenix</b>Adri Saarinen nods to Zen[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: and plus folks should be aware that I've been dealing with charges that we aren't user friendly in the forums.
Adri Saarinen: Exactly like that.
Zenigma Suntzu: Note that we have 12,000 of CS funding in there, but did we not allocate some to the non-winners of the contest?
Persephone Phoenix: people say that they don't know anything about us, that we aren't high profile enough, etc.
Maczter Oddfellow: depending on the TP location, we could always sell of all but a small section where the TP location is and have a "forwarding info" tp giver there
Persephone Phoenix: No, Zen, coz I didn't have specifics from you.
Zenigma Suntzu: ok
Persephone Phoenix: we discussed it but it wasn't finalized and they had to be paid out
Adri Saarinen: Well, are there any other ideas for advertising?
Persephone Phoenix: so we did it with the money the judges donated which came to 2500 each.
Zenigma Suntzu: ok
Persephone Phoenix: 2500 to each contestant that is.
Persephone Phoenix: erm entrant.
Persephone Phoenix: yeah, I think that with all things in SL, word of mouth is the best mechanism, but that takes time. In the meantime, we'll get more popular notice from the sponsorship signs (now going out) and other stuff.
Zenigma Suntzu: They're gonna see FFRC signs on the City Stages stage next week
Persephone Phoenix: I guess all I want to say is that moving might make this message more mixed. and yay! heh
Zenigma Suntzu: and it's in print in the MM2
Adri Saarinen: Would a weekly bump to a 'get your funding applications in by Sunday' forum post help, if such a thing isn't already in place?
Persephone Phoenix: ok so sounds like we can move on to FFRC Cash Flow. Any questions there?
Persephone Phoenix: ahhh good idea, Adri. What if we took funding apps not every single week, but say we decided them on the first meeting of the month?
Persephone Phoenix: and did other business the rest of the time?
Persephone Phoenix: if so, then we could treat it like an event kinda and post. posting every week is a lot beyond the event posting I think
Persephone Phoenix: we post the event of our meeting time.
Persephone Phoenix: we COULD put that in the event posting also, though
Troy McLuhan: The meeting where we decide on the funding apps would get quite long
Persephone Phoenix: Accepting Applications, etc.
Adri Saarinen: Yeah, weekly is a lot, that's why I thought maybe just bumping with a reply to the same post.
Persephone Phoenix: True, Troy.
Peter Newell: I think separate is good, though, as the subject would draw people in
Persephone Phoenix: ahhh ok.
Adri Saarinen: But adding it to the event listing would be good.
Persephone Phoenix: yeah should do both maybe.
Adri Saarinen: Maybe in Events or possibly in 'services'?
Peter Newell: if they see FFRC meeting, it may not gather the same amount of people as "Funding for your rich content events"
Persephone Phoenix: Ok good ideas. any feedback or questions for gabe on the cash flow statement?
Peter Newell: People like funding, not so much meetings.
Peter Newell: at least they like funding a lot more than meetings.
Adri Saarinen: No feedback from me
Peter Newell: cash flow looks good
Persephone Phoenix: ditto. looks good to me too
Persephone Phoenix: true, Peter on the funding vs meetings thing. heh
<b>Persephone Phoenix</b>Zenigma Suntzu loves meetings.[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: Okayyyy. on the (haha Zen) on the City Stages concert,
<b>Persephone Phoenix</b>Zenigma Suntzu </sarcasm>[/color]
Zenigma Suntzu: yes
Persephone Phoenix: I got an IM from Christiano who would be happy to set us up with our own email addy that people could use to send their photos of the concert to snapzilla with
Persephone Phoenix: and they'd all be put in one big album.
Persephone Phoenix: which would be nice for post-event publicity
Persephone Phoenix: also Zen has an informational card that has been put together that I can distribute while Zen brings us up to date on how that's going maybe?
Zenigma Suntzu: It sounds like a neat offer... we've already publicized the Flickr tag
Zenigma Suntzu: Click the top of the sign.
Troy McLuhan accepted your inventory offer.
Kat Lemieux accepted your inventory offer.
Maczter Oddfellow accepted your inventory offer.
Zenigma Suntzu: Ok, it's going great. We have our sim thanks to Slim Warrior, our build thanks to Maczster, our musicians.. our stream thanks to Mad Muse Radio (200 capacity *plus*)
Zenigma Suntzu: We have placed ads in MM (2 weeks at 750 ea)
Persephone Phoenix: Wewt.
Zenigma Suntzu: one ad in SL exchange $799 for 15, 000 impressions.
Zenigma Suntzu: and we have some complimentary ads going too.
Persephone Phoenix: Didja get something in the SL Herald, too, Zen?
Zenigma Suntzu: No, I don't think so.
Persephone Phoenix: coz if not that'd be a good idea. they ran two stories on the FFRC, one on city stages funding.
Persephone Phoenix: It would be good for balance, I think.
Zenigma Suntzu: Ok, I'll look into it.
Persephone Phoenix: Awesome. if you have an ad ready to place that might be great.
Zenigma Suntzu: Decided to pass on SLbouticque, which seems to require a google adwords account.
Persephone Phoenix: ahhh ok.
Zenigma Suntzu: kaia may have it, she's prepared some banners.
Persephone Phoenix: great. we were looking at SecondCitizen.com, but Snapzilla might giveus free banner space too; who knows?
Zenigma Suntzu: Ok, I have paid for the ads out of pocket...
Zenigma Suntzu: We got quite a lot of publicity from bloggers.
Zenigma Suntzu: Did everyone see Hamlet's blog on it?
Zenigma Suntzu: Lemme get you some urls.
Persephone Phoenix: Ah, ok then I'd put in a request to gabe to be reimbursed maybe, after sending him the donation? I know that sounds roundabout but
Zenigma Suntzu: That green box will help here momentarily.
Persephone Phoenix: he doesn't seem to be noting the out of pocket expenses in the log otherwise.
Persephone Phoenix: unless it isn't important to you to have the full amount documented.
Zenigma Suntzu: Well, City Stages paid *me* 24,000L$ today.
Persephone Phoenix: in which case, maybe keep the out of pocket expenses, and forward the rest to FFRCAccounting
Zenigma Suntzu: and I'm getting to that.... I consider it CS / FFRC money now.
Persephone Phoenix: yeah. Vernal said that's what he did.
Zenigma Suntzu: Ok hang on a sec for urls.
Persephone Phoenix: awesome.
Zenigma Suntzu: http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2006/04/yes_logo.html
ZenS URL Listener: Touch for nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2006/04/yes_logo.html
Zenigma Suntzu: If cyou click that it should take you to the urls I mention.
ZenS URL Listener: Touched.
ZenS URL Listener: Touched.
Persephone Phoenix: kewl!
ZenS URL Listener: Touched.
ZenS URL Listener: Touched.
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Zenigma Suntzu: Ok, next url: http://www.3pointd.com/20060407/city-stages-brings-coca-cola-to-second-life/
ZenS URL Listener: Touch for www.3pointd.com/20060407/city-stages-brings-coca-cola-to-second-life/
<b>ZenS URL Listener</b>Peter Newell grrs at time warner.[/color]
Adri Saarinen: Bit of a connection problem there, sorry guys.
Zenigma Suntzu: http://blogs.electricsheepcompany.com/chris/?p=33
ZenS URL Listener: Touch for blogs.electricsheepcompany.com/chris/?p=33
Zenigma Suntzu: http://www.secretlair.com/index.php?/clickableculture/entry/coke_adds_second_life_to_advertising_locales/
ZenS URL Listener: Touch for www.secretlair.com/index.php?/clickableculture/entry/coke_adds_second_life_to_advertising_locales/
Zenigma Suntzu: and I could go on.
Troy McLuhan: Their spin was mostly the Coke logo angle
Persephone Phoenix: Interesting Interview, Zen!
ZenS URL Listener: Touched.
Persephone Phoenix:
Zenigma Suntzu: Yes, of course it was.
Persephone Phoenix: yeah, but also more publicity for the event as a sideline.
Zenigma Suntzu: I did mention all parties there, but you don't get to write your own article.
Persephone Phoenix: yeah totally
Zenigma Suntzu: I'm very pleased with it, and the coverage.
Persephone Phoenix: oh by the way, Adri, sorry that MM credited me with the box office build. I'll send them a correction to let them know that should be amended
Persephone Phoenix: I dunno how the person got that idea at all.
Persephone Phoenix: heh.
Adri Saarinen: Ha, I didn't even notice that, to tell you the truth.
Persephone Phoenix: How could I haved been allowed to vote on my own build?
Persephone Phoenix: that'd be goofy. hehe
<b>Persephone Phoenix</b>Adri Saarinen drags the print out from where the cat crushed it, scans.[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: anyway, it was a typo or misunderstanding. they did a great article otherwise
Adri Saarinen: Yeah. I think it reads more like you created the idea, anyway, not the build.
Zenigma Suntzu: Ok, so, the publicity has been great for the event. and you'll note that the stage includes Coca Cola, City Stages, FFRC and Mad Muse
Zenigma Suntzu: and that's it.
Persephone Phoenix: I have a few thigns on my to do list and a press release (oh good)
Maczter Oddfellow: zen, could you put together a notecard of URL's for us?
Persephone Phoenix: for the box office thing is one I should do ( a wrap-up article)
Zenigma Suntzu: It looks absolutely cool.
Zenigma Suntzu: hmm ok Maczter.
Persephone Phoenix: the other things I have on my to do list are to get event applicant's notecards together and to get danceballs set up in the space by next saturday
Persephone Phoenix: Two other things: we have a Dreams fair booth
Adri Saarinen: I'm potentially jumping in late on the 'dude!' train here, but Coke giving logo permissions-- that's awesome.
Persephone Phoenix: I set it up with a few things (haha Adri)
Persephone Phoenix: but if you think of more stuff to put in there pop on by.
<b>Persephone Phoenix</b>Zenigma Suntzu smiles at Adri.[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: Also, I scheduled us to do informational meetings on the 28th of this month
Persephone Phoenix: at 10 am and 7pm
Persephone Phoenix: kinda hand shaking and application handing and question answering type things.
Persephone Phoenix: if anyone else wants to be there for that, by all means, join me.
Peter Newell: I"ll probably be by for a bit, can answer questions on the box office.
Adri Saarinen: Do we get to kiss babies, too?
Troy McLuhan: I'll note it on my calendar
Persephone Phoenix: Ok on to the last item which is Kat's fabulous media list.
Persephone Phoenix: Kat that makes things a ton easier. Did everyone get one so far?
Kat Lemieux: Well. it's really a work in progress
Adri Saarinen: I haven't.
Kat Lemieux: as all media lists are...
Peter Newell accepted your inventory offer.
Peter Newell: Great, thanks
Adri Saarinen accepted your inventory offer.
Adri Saarinen: thanks
Zenigma Suntzu accepted your inventory offer.
Troy McLuhan accepted your inventory offer.
Troy McLuhan: Thanks
Maczter Oddfellow accepted your inventory offer.
Zenigma Suntzu: I have one important thing on the CS front:
Persephone Phoenix: yeah it's a quickly- transitioning world.
Persephone Phoenix: oh ok, Zen. sorry about moving on there.
Zenigma Suntzu: We previously approved budgets for the CS event of something like 12,000 for artists, and 12,000 for advertising.
Zenigma Suntzu: I'm going to suggest that we pay each of 7 artists $2500 each, and the advertising is coming way under budget.
Persephone Phoenix: wow. did we? I thought it was 1,200 for advertising.
Persephone Phoenix: I can't remember.
Persephone Phoenix: but yeah prolly it was more coz i remember we decided to "do it right"
Zenigma Suntzu: Now, I'm holding $24000L
Zenigma Suntzu: What I suggest is, that FFRC authorize me to pay the musicians, and for advertising, not to exceed the $24000 I'm holding.
Persephone Phoenix: ok. awesome. I think it'd be good to pay the artists a decent amount. How long are they performing per act, Zen?
Zenigma Suntzu: 45 mins or so
Zenigma Suntzu: I'll turn the remainder over (if any) to FFRC with a line-item accounting of where it was spent.
Persephone Phoenix: I'd say 2k per artist is probably the standard for that length of time.
Zenigma Suntzu: We've gone around about this, and I'm not sure if they've been told $2500 already.
Persephone Phoenix: but a few charge up to 4500 per hour so
Persephone Phoenix: ah ok
Zenigma Suntzu: but Let's just make it that
Persephone Phoenix: kewl then.
<b>Persephone Phoenix</b>Peter Newell agrees[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: I vote that we authorize Zen to do what he thinks appropriate with artist fees.
Persephone Phoenix: anyone else?
Persephone Phoenix: (is that phrased adequately?)
Zenigma Suntzu: That and advertising. up to the 24000...
Peter Newell: bueno
Troy McLuhan: okay
Kat Lemieux: ok by me
which means: (via Zenigma Suntzu) We still have some 12000 CS funding in FFRCAccounting Control AND another month's funding coming.
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Adri Saarinen: sounds good
Zenigma Suntzu: for smaller events.
Persephone Phoenix: mkay. Yes, I think that will work, Zen. Do what ya gotta do.
Persephone Phoenix: Great!
Zenigma Suntzu: okden ty ty
Persephone Phoenix: another thing is i gotta find out where people are still getting the 4 question applications from
Persephone Phoenix: so I can replace it with the new ones.
Zenigma Suntzu: By the way, if you look for our event in the find menu, you'll see it, but if you look for it on the web, it doesn't show because of a bug.
Persephone Phoenix: IHmmmm
Zenigma Suntzu: It's right here:
Zenigma Suntzu: http://secondlife.com/events/event.php?id=188942
ZenS URL Listener: Touch for secondlife.com/events/event.php?id=188942
ZenS URL Listener: Touched.
Persephone Phoenix: thanks for the update, Zen. How are things otherwise? Am I understanding right that I need to set out dance apparatus for two spaces?
Persephone Phoenix: And can I do that the night before the event?
Zenigma Suntzu: Might not want to wait til the last minute.
Zenigma Suntzu: We're gonna make it no-build and MAYBE no outside script, so there might be sublteties.
Persephone Phoenix: I'm going to be (though this isn't ideal) running a storyteling event at the Dreams Fair
Persephone Phoenix: from 10am to noon.
Persephone Phoenix: ah then the balls would have to be owned by the landowner.
Maczter Oddfellow: we can have slim set the land to the CS group temporarily and invite persephone
Persephone Phoenix: I could lend them, but that is thousands of $L worth of anims.
Persephone Phoenix: ahh that'd be easier.
Zenigma Suntzu: ok maczster, we have some land division to do as well.
Persephone Phoenix: less chance of balls getting lost. each set costs about $600L
Zenigma Suntzu: btw, anyone who wants to help can join the event group.
Persephone Phoenix: mkay, sounds like we're through the meeting unless anyone has stuff to add?

Formatted and colorized with transcript.

I have a question about a recent event, it was a concert on a newly opened sim? It was sponsored by the FFRC. I could not attend the event, but went there shortly after it was over. I saw Coca Cola signs around the main stage. My question is; was the Coca Cola company one of the sponsors? for real?

The event you refer to was sponsored jointly by FFRC and City Stages. City Stages is sponsored by Coca Cola, and gave City Stages permission to display their logo in SL. So yes, Coca Cola was (indirectly) a sponsor of the event.

For more info on City Stages, see http://citystages.org.

What Kat said

The RL event has a coca-cola stage which City Stages requested permission from coke to replicate in world. And yes, what Katt said.

Ah! Thank you very much.

Was this a first time such a RL sponsor got coverage in SL? Just curious.

Good question! I think a Linden would know for sure, but as far as I am aware (if one excludes stagecoach island) this is the first time I've seen a rl product company's advertising logo used with permission in SL.

Stagecoach Island had, in its working stages anyway, a Dior billboard.

Too bad you missed the concert, though. It was really fun!

Greetings! I am new to SL and working on the Second Life Library 2.0. Please feel free to stop by. We are interested in becoming part of your organization and working with you. Feel free to IM me anytime with anything we can be a part of or help with. Thanks.

Sure thing, Lorelei. We have our meetings every Sunday at 1pm. Stop by sometime if you'd like to tell us a bit about yourselves. Cheers!

List of Grantees can be found on the FFRC Wiki Page at:
http://ffrc.kats-sandbox.net:2500/f...ng+Rich+Content

FFRC April 23 Chatlog - Part 1 of 4

Kerhop Seattle: agree
Carl Metropolitan accepted your inventory offer.
Persephone Phoenix: thanks kerhop (that's to the chatlog question, right?)
Kerhop Seattle: yup
<u>Kerhop Seattle</u>There is no suitable surface to sit on, try another spot.[/color]
Peter Newell: right, I'm in too.
Gabe Lippmann: yes, please, and put my stuff in RED please
Persephone Phoenix: Hello Zen!
Kerhop Seattle: and you can chatlog that "yup" and this line too :)
Gabe Lippmann: hi, Zen!
Persephone Phoenix: Yay. hehe (I dunno how to do that Gabe)
Persephone Phoenix: i love disable smilies in text.
Gabe Lippmann: excuses
Persephone Phoenix: hehe
Zenigma Suntzu: ::-))
Kerhop Seattle: I want mine in green with a font size of 48
Persephone Phoenix: ok i'll ask folks to get last week's chatlog from the forums
Persephone Phoenix: if you want to review past decisions. I didn't put it in the agenda today
Zenigma Suntzu: You may chatlog me Perse, I know you always are anyway :)
Gabe Lippmann accepted your inventory offer.
Persephone Phoenix: heh
Persephone Phoenix: yes, to preserve for antiquity, Zen.
Persephone Phoenix: Anyone need an agenda?
Gabe Lippmann: got it
Kerhop Seattle: auto received upon arrival
Persephone Phoenix: heh
Zenigma Suntzu: I need one.
Zenigma Suntzu: I can't create a note.
Zenigma Suntzu accepted your inventory offer.
Persephone Phoenix: tping Casey
Persephone Phoenix: Welcome. :-)
Casey Benton: Hey again.
Casey Benton accepted your inventory offer.
Jet Rich accepted your inventory offer.
Adri Saarinen accepted your inventory offer.
Persephone Phoenix: Hello, Adri.
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Zenigma Suntzu gave you City Stages Expenditures.[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: ok anyone need an agenda?
Persephone Phoenix: Oh great. ty Gabe. that rules!
Dreams Community Fair Invitations to Participate: Thank you for requesting this information
Persephone Phoenix: erm Zen that is.
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Carl Metropolitan gave you FFRC FUNDING APPLICATION for Trivial Obsession. [/color]
Dreams Community Fair Invitations to Participate: LandMark giver at Sami has just been used by Casey Benton!
Persephone Phoenix: hey i just got another app from Carl
Gabe Lippmann: right
Kerhop Seattle: I saw FFRC at Dreams Fair, but no mention of City Stages... just Box Office
Persephone Phoenix: carl could you pass that out to everyone?
Persephone Phoenix: gah.
Persephone Phoenix: gotta fix that
Carl Metropolitan: it is for next week
Persephone Phoenix: prim must've gotten sent back
Carl Metropolitan: I still have two FFRC prizes left.
Persephone Phoenix: yeah we are on there officially for the 28th
Persephone Phoenix: 10am and 7pm
Gxeremio Dimsum accepted your inventory offer.
Carl Metropolitan: You can just include it in the regular agenda then, Persephone.
Persephone Phoenix: you have two ffrc prizes left? kewl. ok.
Persephone Phoenix: maybe we can do a content maker's trivia contest and give them away
Persephone Phoenix: at the dream fair.
Persephone Phoenix: everyone agree to be chatlogged?
kaia Ennui: yup
Carl Metropolitan: No! I need those for next week's prizes
Adri Saarinen: I agree
Persephone Phoenix: Please say aye or yes or affirmative or whatever.
Gxeremio Dimsum: Yes
Carl Metropolitan: I was just giving you the application early
Gabe Lippmann: whatever
Persephone Phoenix: ahh ok. I misunderstood carl
Casey Benton: Yes
Gxeremio Dimsum: Sorry I'm late...I was teaching a class that went over time!
Carl Metropolitan: Yes I agree to chatloggin
Persephone Phoenix: great.
Persephone Phoenix: i thought maybe something you made that should've gone into appreciation packets or something. sorry about that.
Kerhop Seattle: aye or yes or affirmative or whatever.
Persephone Phoenix: :-)
Persephone Phoenix: great to see everyone
Persephone Phoenix: ok first things after the chatlog question
Persephone Phoenix: I think we should revisit last week's applications that are on for this week also
Gabe Lippmann: ok
Persephone Phoenix: those are the esperanto museum
Persephone Phoenix: and the one that says my application to ffrc
Gxeremio Dimsum: I applied for the art exhibition at the Esperanto museum.
Carl Metropolitan: Did we not vote on those? I had to leave early due to computer crash
Persephone Phoenix: we did but we wanted more information on the one that was PG I thought
Gabe Lippmann: that museum is next to your shop, kaia?
kaia Ennui: which
kaia Ennui: its not esperanto
kaia Ennui: i forget the name but its several museums, art gallerys
Persephone Phoenix: /110/ab/58103/7.html
Gabe Lippmann: no, CAML museum
kaia Ennui: pretty cool actually
kaia Ennui: yep that's them
Persephone Phoenix: is the link to the forum posting of the last chatlog
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Kerhop Seattle hears a pin drop[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: The esperanto museum was funded at 2k
Persephone Phoenix: I'm just scrolling down to affirm if we had waited to find out if the contemporary art museum was eligible for city stages?
Gabe Lippmann: ah, ok
Persephone Phoenix: and contemporary art museum also was funded with FFRC funds.
Zenigma Suntzu: We have 12,000 available from CS still in the bank.
Persephone Phoenix: for 2k
Persephone Phoenix: and yay!
Zenigma Suntzu: in FFRCAccounting Control.
Persephone Phoenix: Applause!!
Gabe Lippmann: woohoo
kaia Ennui: YAY
Zenigma Suntzu: and one more month of funds coming in.
Renee Ingmann: YAY
Peter Newell: impressive.
Persephone Phoenix: ok let's look at the Shelter app. and that's so awesome, Zen.
Persephone Phoenix: ok this is the payment podium app. We have funded this before. what do we think this time?
Gabe Lippmann: Payment Podium always gets my vote
Persephone Phoenix: I'd say Aye coz the Shelter rocks.
Carl Metropolitan: Yes
Peter Newell: still good.
kaia Ennui: sure
Carl Metropolitan: I won 400L last month :)
Carl Metropolitan: Should I recuse myself?
Gabe Lippmann: nice Carl, walked with the money
Persephone Phoenix: Also, Travis is looking for parting gifts (free to copy silly freebies like turtle wax, etc)
Carl Metropolitan: Let's give him a FFRC t-shirt
Zenigma Suntzu: I vote Yes
Persephone Phoenix: so if anyone has stuff like that (I do, actually) send it his way
Gabe Lippmann: haha and a concert tee
Persephone Phoenix: great.
Persephone Phoenix: so that's funded for 2k
Gabe Lippmann: i have a pile of stuff i want to get rid of
Persephone Phoenix: Space Flight Museum
kaia Ennui: sounds neat
Gabe Lippmann: I have seen this while it was being built
Gabe Lippmann: it was pretty nifty
Persephone Phoenix: yah sounds awesome. i love this app
Persephone Phoenix: very detailed
Persephone Phoenix: PG land also
Zenigma Suntzu: CS wants to fund it... maybe CS should, and FFRC too... which would be a nice help.
Persephone Phoenix: I'd say a great candidate for City Stages
Gabe Lippmann: yes, i stumbled on it wandering and spent a bit of time looking at it
Gabe Lippmann: great
Persephone Phoenix: Ok are we ok with overlooking one question then?
Persephone Phoenix: this one is missing only one answer from the city stages app
Zenigma Suntzu: Oh what is that Perse? I'm dazed.
Persephone Phoenix: and that is the answer of whether or not the content would be used with license
Persephone Phoenix: knowing this place, I don't think it is an issue
Zenigma Suntzu: I've seen it, and don't think it's applicable.
Gxeremio Dimsum: Sorry just to clarify on the Esperanto museum thing before I go - we plan to have the exhibition throughout the month of May at the Esperanto Museum (Shelter 82,30,54) but were waiting to hear from you guys before annoucing it to the community of artists
Persephone Phoenix: (also knowing Kat)
Gxeremio Dimsum: I will actually probably double the prizes out of my own funds to sweeten the pot.
Persephone Phoenix: Yep you guys are funded
Persephone Phoenix: Hey Gxeremio
Persephone Phoenix: you are on mature land?
Gabe Lippmann: oh, that's great Gxer
Persephone Phoenix: (smiles and waves hi)
Gxeremio Dimsum: Don't know when the discussions will be about the exhibit - depends on artists' availability. Also we need help with publicity and a voting booth.
Gxeremio Dimsum: Yes it's PG land.
Persephone Phoenix: Ok great. are you using all materials with consent?
Gxeremio Dimsum: We have info for the artists ready to go - would anyone like a copy of that notecard?
Gabe Lippmann: yes, please
Carl Metropolitan: Yes,
Persephone Phoenix: i ask because you've been funded for 2k but we can revisit the app and fund it for 3k maybe if we have those two additional questions answered.
Persephone Phoenix: so sounds like city stages might be interested? (esperanto museum, Zen? )
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Gxeremio Dimsum gave you Modern Day Babel Art Exhibition.[/color]
Zenigma Suntzu: DId I hear yes, that it's original resident created art?
Persephone Phoenix: kewl. sounds like fun.
Persephone Phoenix: yes.
Persephone Phoenix: it's a build competition essentially
Gabe Lippmann: i believe so
Zenigma Suntzu: Ok, YES, let's fund it from CS
Gxeremio Dimsum: Yes resident created is the goal.
Persephone Phoenix: yay!
kaia Ennui: cool
Gabe Lippmann: excellent
Persephone Phoenix: Ok so that bumps the Esperanto Museum's fund up to 3k instead of 2k
Persephone Phoenix: so then going back to the spaceflight museum...
Persephone Phoenix: Are we agreed that Citystages is funding that for 3k also?
Gabe Lippmann: yes
kaia Ennui: yes
Gxeremio Dimsum: Great thank you all. The FFRC is a great help to quality of life in SL. If you have any additional questions please IM me. Sorry to get us off the agenda!
Persephone Phoenix: great
Zenigma Suntzu: YES, and because of the scale and nature of it, I think it wouldn't be unreasonably to do FFRC for 2000, too.
Zenigma Suntzu: but that isn't for me to vote on :)
Persephone Phoenix: kk. :-) no worries ty for speaking up Gxeremio
Gabe Lippmann: yes, thank you, Gxeremio
Persephone Phoenix: well i'm concerned about adding to the 3k and here's why
Persephone Phoenix: i think that we are soon going to be very utilized. more so than now.
Zenigma Suntzu: ah
Persephone Phoenix: if we vary from the 1 app per month funded for the same content
Persephone Phoenix: then we may end up in a quandry when we have 10 or 15 apps
Zenigma Suntzu: I see yes.
Zenigma Suntzu: Ok, YES on the 3,000 from CS on this.
Persephone Phoenix: anyone else have a thought on that?
Carl Metropolitan: We also need to step up our development efforts. Those kind of got put on hold due to the Box Office contest
Gabe Lippmann: agreed, Carl
Persephone Phoenix: kinda in a sense that most of the funds went toward that effort.
Persephone Phoenix: we had lots ofmoney coming in due to that increased exposure, but it went to the box office prize.
Persephone Phoenix: but some that came in that went to the regular coffers. nonetheless, you're right that we need to step up the development efforts
Persephone Phoenix: ready to go to Renee Ingmann?
Renee Ingmann: Yep :D
kaia Ennui: yes
Renee Ingmann: Hiya
Renee Ingmann: :D
Zenigma Suntzu: We're supposed to VOTE on the CS things, too.
kaia Ennui: hi renee
Persephone Phoenix: hehe hiya Renee
Zenigma Suntzu: that is... officially.
Peter Newell: I vote in favor.
Renee Ingmann: Hi Kaia Hi Persephone
kaia Ennui: got my vote
Persephone Phoenix: Oh Ok. Let's vote on space flight museum. ty. hehe
Gabe Lippmann: i vote yes on Space Flight for the record
Persephone Phoenix: Aye
Zenigma Suntzu: YES
Carl Metropolitan: I vote "Yes"
Adri Saarinen: yes on space flight
Persephone Phoenix: yay ok that's a majority
Gabe Lippmann: great, on to Renee's appi
Persephone Phoenix: Oh Yay! I love this app, Renee.
Renee Ingmann: Thank you :D
kaia Ennui: i love it too
kaia Ennui: big yes from me
Renee Ingmann: Gabe said I didnt necessarily have to be here, but I wanted to
kaia Ennui: glad u came
Renee Ingmann: in case you needed to ask any questions etc
<u>Renee Ingmann</u>Peter Newell also bigyesses.[/color]
Renee Ingmann: Wow guys, you actually made me tear up
Carl Metropolitan: I vote "Yes"
Adri Saarinen: Definite yes from me, as well. I think this could be a wonderful event.
kaia Ennui: awww
Gabe Lippmann: yes from me
Zenigma Suntzu: Hi renee :)
Gabe Lippmann: looks like a great thing
Persephone Phoenix: Hello Renee. Do you agree to be chatlogged Renee?
Renee Ingmann: WOW you guys have no idea how much this means to me :D
Renee Ingmann: Yes
Renee Ingmann: Oh that Renee
Renee Ingmann: hi renee hehehe
Carl Metropolitan: I look forward to the "FFRC supports Evil Sodomites" thread in the Forums.
Renee Roundfield: Yes.
Renee Ingmann: HAHA

FFRC April 23 Chatlog - Part 2 of 4

Persephone Phoenix: thanks Renee.
Gabe Lippmann: i'd be happy to start one, Carl
Casey Benton: Heh...
Persephone Phoenix: so this is a variety of sims, some probably mature sims.
Renee Ingmann: Yes
Zenigma Suntzu: I skip over negative things in the forum :)
Carl Metropolitan: No City Stages.
Renee Ingmann: We are hoping to get as many people groups etc involved
Persephone Phoenix: ok so I vote Yes on the 2k approved fundings.
Persephone Phoenix: erm funding. heh
Gabe Lippmann: you must miss my best material then
Zenigma Suntzu: Yes on 2k.
Renee Ingmann: We will take city stages :D
Peter Newell: There are negative things in the forums?
Persephone Phoenix: from the regular ffrc stream
Persephone Phoenix: haha
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Adri Saarinen laughs.[/color]
Carl Metropolitan: Renee--they only fund events that are all on PG sims
Renee Ingmann: OK
Persephone Phoenix: but Renee, if you do a specific event in a PG sim in correlation with this
kaia Ennui: sure
Persephone Phoenix: I urge you to seek funds again.
Renee Ingmann: Ok
Persephone Phoenix: Everyone in agreement on the approved FFRC funds for 2k?
Zenigma Suntzu: If works of art or music are involved, they have to be original or resident sponsored.
Gabe Lippmann: you are also welcome to use the FFRC mature parcel of land if you need any space
Zenigma Suntzu: for CS
Gabe Lippmann: yes
Casey Benton: Persephone, can you add me to the agenda? I have something that kind of touches on this, but it more than a short comment. :P
Renee Ingmann: Yes we plan on having original art displayed
<u>Renee Ingmann</u>Adri Saarinen agrees to 2k[/color]
Carl Metropolitan: I agree for02K
kaia Ennui: yes
Zenigma Suntzu: Also, Renee, unrelated to CS, we have PG land available at Make Magazine, and at Club Arena
Renee Ingmann: I have one gallery that has agreed to do a viewing and am hoping to get in contact with Oh gosh what is his name Linden
Renee Ingmann: Um
Persephone Phoenix: sure. go ahead, Casey. (sounds like we have a majority there also)
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Peter Newell agrees.[/color]
Casey Benton: No no, finish the apps first. :)
Gabe Lippmann: Phil? :P
Renee Ingmann: Pathfinder Linden
kaia Ennui: haha
Persephone Phoenix: hehe
Renee Roundfield: I want to be Omigosh Linden someday.
Peter Newell: Renee, do you also have an account that's accepting donations?
Renee Ingmann: He I guess runs the Linden Art Gallery, I was told that anyway
Renee Ingmann: No how do I do that
kaia Ennui: yes he does
Renee Ingmann: I am new to this
Renee Ingmann: I know how to plan and write
Renee Ingmann: LOL
Peter Newell: heh
Renee Ingmann: How would I set up an account
Renee Ingmann: we have been needing to do that
Renee Ingmann: I have just been sticking the donations into my SLX account LOL
Casey Benton: I can help you with donation takers and some easy advertising things if you want.
Persephone Phoenix: create an alt that does nothing but.
Renee Ingmann: Ok
Zenigma Suntzu: If your account is a paid account, you can have one alt for only $9.95 one time.
Persephone Phoenix: like Gabe's FFRCAccounting Control
Renee Ingmann: I can get that set up next weekend
Persephone Phoenix: kewl. :-)
Renee Ingmann: then would I just need to IM one of you with the name
Gabe Lippmann: right
Persephone Phoenix: not necessary to get funds from us mind you
kaia Ennui: yes
Persephone Phoenix: but for ongoing fundraising could help
Renee Ingmann: Ok
Gabe Lippmann: easier to keep track for sure
Renee Ingmann: Yeah we have already recieved a hundred here and there
kaia Ennui: i will be getting involved in one way or another, myself. i think its an awesome idea.
Renee Ingmann: from people who are on the planning comittee
Carl Metropolitan: It is really useful to keep track of things.
Renee Ingmann: and I have been putting money in
Renee Ingmann: Thank you ALL so much
Carl Metropolitan: I use a alt for that at New Citizens Incorporated
Gabe Lippmann: Thank you.
Renee Ingmann: this is a labor of love for me
kaia Ennui: passion rawks :P
kaia Ennui: glad we can help
Renee Ingmann: I gotta be running now to attend to RL stuff, but I appreciate al;ll of this :D
Gabe Lippmann: Thank you for coming, Renee.
kaia Ennui: nice meeting you renee, talk to you some more soon
Renee Ingmann: Thank you all :D
Gabe Lippmann: we just have the Building Shelter left for apps right?
Persephone Phoenix: yep
Persephone Phoenix: sorry had to go afk for a sec... cat with paint on one paw
Persephone Phoenix: running through house
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Peter Newell chuckles.[/color]
Casey Benton: It's art! I vote for $2000.
<u>Casey Benton</u>Adri Saarinen laughs[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: thankfully the white and not the teal
Persephone Phoenix: hehe
Gabe Lippmann: awesome, people try hard for that kind of detail work
Renee Roundfield: Had to paint the other three?
Zenigma Suntzu: lol casey
Persephone Phoenix: haha
Zenigma Suntzu: My mom has a book like that.
Persephone Phoenix: on hard wood floors not so cute :-)
Zenigma Suntzu: Painting cats.
Casey Benton: 'Why cats paint' is a neat book. 'Why paint cats' is MUCH funnier.
Persephone Phoenix: so yes. (haha) Hah!
Gabe Lippmann: haha
Persephone Phoenix: anyway on to the Building Shelter.
Casey Benton: Seriously, look it up. :P
Carl Metropolitan: Vote "Yes"
Gabe Lippmann: this is one we've done
Persephone Phoenix: I love this event. I went last week and it's well done
Gabe Lippmann: yes from me
Persephone Phoenix: yes.
Adri Saarinen: Yes from me
Gabe Lippmann: another quality Shelter offering
Casey Benton: Yep.
kaia Ennui: yes
Peter Newell: mmhmm
Persephone Phoenix: Okeydokey
Persephone Phoenix: on to development committee.
Zenigma Suntzu: I vote Yes on that... it's not PG sim so not CS>
Casey Benton: Can I interject at this point?
Persephone Phoenix: I started a thread in the forums to gather donations for the eventsmaking community
Persephone Phoenix: oh sure Casey
Casey Benton: First off, does the FFRC have, need, or want dedicated land to use for events?
kaia Ennui: we still have the mature one, no?
Gabe Lippmann: yup
Persephone Phoenix: yes indeed.
kaia Ennui: it has lots of space
Persephone Phoenix: what kind of land, Casey? mature or PG?

Casey Benton: Okay. The reason I ask is that I have a standalone sim that has nothing on it except the PCC Convention Center, and an office. I'm looking at either renting it out or (alternatively) selling it to save the money.
Casey Benton: I wanted to see if the FFRC wanted to adopt half-a-sim or anything like that.
Zenigma Suntzu: what sim is this land located in?
Carl Metropolitan: We can't afford the tier.
Casey Benton: I'd rather use it for event space or something, rather then rent it ou. I don't want to be a land baron, it's not my thing.
kaia Ennui: i dont see we need more land at this time anyway
Gabe Lippmann: we will need a new PG space, correct Perse?
Casey Benton: It's a mature sim right now, but.. well.. it's pretty much empty, and I can turn it into anything.
Persephone Phoenix: we actually did have land as an issue and that was a question I wanted to frame
Persephone Phoenix: in terms of whether we buy this land from Thea
Persephone Phoenix: or whether we take Mac up on his offer for space
kaia Ennui: i didn't realize he offered
Peter Newell: yeah, what had he offered?
Persephone Phoenix: lemme look at the chatlog to be sure
Casey Benton: Regardless of the rest of the sim, the part of it is the PCC is still (and once again) available to host events. People seem to use it for meetings a lot.
Casey Benton: At least until I sell the sim. :)
Casey Benton: If. Maybe. Sometime.
Persephone Phoenix: awesome. we'd be happy to list it in our free space pages, Casey
Zenigma Suntzu: About how much would this land cost initially and per month?
Persephone Phoenix: thanks for coming by to let us know about it. :-)
Zenigma Suntzu: what sim is it Casey, did you say?
Adri Saarinen: Maczter said, "I have quite a bit of extra space in arena I'd be willing to set aside for an FFRC meeting spot at no cost to the FFRC . . . and it's PG"
Persephone Phoenix: TY Adri
Persephone Phoenix: :-)
Casey Benton: It's Pumacity. It's a detached island.
kaia Ennui: is there a problem with this meeting space? are we losing it?
Persephone Phoenix: oooh sounds nice Casey
Zenigma Suntzu: ty Casey
Persephone Phoenix: yeah Thea needs to sell it
kaia Ennui: or just want a change?
Persephone Phoenix: and offered to sell it to us
kaia Ennui: ohhhh ok
Gabe Lippmann: owner needs to sell
Persephone Phoenix: and i thought for a bit maybe we could buy it
kaia Ennui: well hell take him up on the offer than lol
Zenigma Suntzu: I'm gonna suggest that there's value in having a fixed location of modest size that the group owns.
Persephone Phoenix: but then, I decided I want to downsize my land
Carl Metropolitan: No--I disagree
Casey Benton: As for cost, it's pretty much however much you want, as much as you want, down to the actual cost to me from LL.
Zenigma Suntzu: rather than a loan situation.
Gabe Lippmann: right, the cost here is not an issue but tier is difficult, I think
Carl Metropolitan: We are better off spending the money on sponsoring events rather than tier
kaia Ennui: right
Casey Benton: Welll..
Casey Benton: How much space do you need for a meeting space?
Peter Newell: I still like the idea of grouping the land, with people donating from their individual tier.
Persephone Phoenix: our meeting space should probably be PG
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Adri Saarinen nods to Peter.[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: I like that too, Peter
Persephone Phoenix: that would be a great idea.
Zenigma Suntzu: THIS land has some advantage because it's on notecards and signs here and there already... and in people's LMs.
Zenigma Suntzu: like a web address.
Gabe Lippmann: true
kaia Ennui: right
Persephone Phoenix: i would certainly be willing to put in to a group
Casey Benton: I'd just GIVE you a 4096 plot to use as a base of operations if you wanted. But it's Mature at the moment, until someone takes up enough of the tier slack to convince me to change. :)
Persephone Phoenix: like 512 or so
Adri Saarinen: I do think that having a permanent place is valuable. I also agree that the FFRC should be spending money on events, not tier fees.
Carl Metropolitan: I have to leave to get to my classes. See you all later.
Zenigma Suntzu: If we do not *own* the piece, then we always run the risk of having to move it.
Peter Newell: The question is also of how much space is needed.
kaia Ennui: bye carl
Gabe Lippmann: cya carl
Peter Newell: seeyacarl
Zenigma Suntzu: Bye Carl.
Adri Saarinen: But if everyone donated a bit of land use to the group, and the land is group owned, then the tier can be covered that way.
Gabe Lippmann: i will cover the purchase price if we can get the tier together
Peter Newell: This plot has a LOT of unused land.
Persephone Phoenix: this is 3376
Adri Saarinen: I know I don't have exactly as much land as my current tier allows. I don't have a lot left over, but I'd be willing to donate what I do have to the FFRC's group.
Persephone Phoenix: we could probably cover it with a few people putting in 512 or even less into group land as peter suggests
Zenigma Suntzu: I suggest a possiblity is then to ask her to divide this land, and sell us say... 2048
kaia Ennui: i cant contribute any land
kaia Ennui: i actually rent
kaia Ennui: <-basic
Adri Saarinen: Yes, how much space do we need permanently? And is that determined by space or prim limit? Will we only be using it for meetings, or also for events? To display things?
Casey Benton: I have the sim, so I still have a basic account. :P
Gabe Lippmann: we probably don't need this much but prims are always in short supply
Persephone Phoenix: well i had thought that maybe we could have a gallery of past fundees at the mature space sometime, if Gabe would like that
Peter Newell: I've made the land contribution already to the group, maybe we see how much we get donated?
Gabe Lippmann: for sure
Persephone Phoenix: but to use a pg space as a meeting space so noone is excluded from meetings
Gabe Lippmann: i can muster some up, but it'll take a little wrangling
Persephone Phoenix: sounds like a great idea, Peter. I'd be happy to too.
Persephone Phoenix: if everyone chips in a little it won't be a big deal
Casey Benton: Who gets excluded from mature regions? I ask because I honestly don't know how that works. I thought everyon under 18 was on a different grid?
Peter Newell: So we see where we stand after that, and see what we have to do in terms of size.
kaia Ennui: idk casey
Persephone Phoenix: so do we agree to ask thea to sell us 2048?
Gabe Lippmann: ok
Persephone Phoenix: noone gets excluded by a system or whatever, but if i'm a mom with a small kid around, I won't
Persephone Phoenix: want to go to a mature sim for a meeting on sunday afternoon.
Persephone Phoenix: :)
kaia Ennui: i dont really know what is best option, so whatever you all decide
kaia Ennui: i have no vote lol
Persephone Phoenix: (I only have cats so it doesn't matter to me as much as the idea that it might to someone)
Adri Saarinen: I do think that we need to see how much land contribution we can get. Did we find out a deadline for her sale?
Gabe Lippmann: it is more of an all inclusive sort of thing
Persephone Phoenix: she needs to know asap i think.
Adri Saarinen: (er, the sale of this land, that is-- when do we need to buy or get off of it?)
Casey Benton: Ah, okay. I guess I don't get out enough to know what mature usually implies. :)
Persephone Phoenix: hehe well some people (though I don't think it is true, necessarily)
Zenigma Suntzu: Ok, I suggest we put it on the FFRC list as a VOTE>.. and ask people to contribute land tier.
Persephone Phoenix: think that mature means everyone could be naked or whatever.
Peter Newell: Well, we wouldn't be able to buy the land for the group untill we have enough donated, right?
Casey Benton: Hey, I'm naked right now.
Gabe Lippmann: i am going to say that
Persephone Phoenix: Good idea, Zenigma.
Persephone Phoenix: haha
Gabe Lippmann: i can just get it and we should figure it out by next month
Zenigma Suntzu: Ask them to contribute the tier immediately... and if we get to some number, we can just buy it.
kaia Ennui: if its group owned and one of the contributors decides they are bored with being part of FFRC or want their portion back all of a sudden for their own project
<u>kaia Ennui</u>Adri Saarinen nods to Zen[/color]
kaia Ennui: can we be in a bad situation
Persephone Phoenix: ok. so to the ffrc group itself then?
Gabe Lippmann: you have a week or so to get tier right?
Persephone Phoenix: no
Persephone Phoenix: i don't think so
Adri Saarinen: Well, if everyone only donates a little, if someone takes some out, in theory it could be easily replaced.
Persephone Phoenix: but i could float the teir till we had enough if need be to be sure
Gabe Lippmann: it's not immediate
Persephone Phoenix: yah.
Zenigma Suntzu: We could end up way over 2048
Adri Saarinen: If someone donates 1000m2, that could be difficult
Zenigma Suntzu: and if so, good.
Persephone Phoenix: hehe
kaia Ennui: i have seen some group owned land go teribly screwy , but idk who it really works
Adri Saarinen: Yeah, we want more than we buy, as a safety net.
kaia Ennui: so i'm going to shut up
Zenigma Suntzu: we can just buy 2048 and withstand that.
Persephone Phoenix: i agree Adri
Gabe Lippmann: right
Adri Saarinen: The problem with group owned land sometimes is that any officer can just grab it from the group.
Persephone Phoenix: Ok let's put it as a Vote.
kaia Ennui: or sell it
Casey Benton: If you have that concern, you should eject some officers.
<u>Casey Benton</u>Peter Newell eyes Persephone and Gabe. ;)[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: well we only have Gabe Rye and I as officers
kaia Ennui: ah i see
kaia Ennui: well im not worried about it them
Adri Saarinen: Right, so I would say we're fine to have the group own the land
Casey Benton: Gabe looks a little shifty to me...
Persephone Phoenix: i think we're ok.
kaia Ennui: -m +n
Persephone Phoenix: hehe
Zenigma Suntzu: I think it's a reasonable risk.
Gabe Lippmann: agreed, Casey
kaia Ennui: haha
<u>kaia Ennui</u>Adri Saarinen was addressing kaia's concern.[/color]
kaia Ennui: idk gabe looks pretty shifty to me
kaia Ennui: i wouldn't trust him as far as i could throw him
Zenigma Suntzu: We may be able to get quite a bit more tier than we need.
Zenigma Suntzu: I dunno... it's an experiment.
Persephone Phoenix: so if that happens, Zen, we can look at increasing land holdings
Peter Newell: it's certainly for a good cause :)
Zenigma Suntzu: Well, I think it would be not worth it to go over the size of this full parcel.
Persephone Phoenix: but for now having one small pg space and access to the mature FFRC office that gabe has
Peter Newell: Definitely good to have that buffer as well.
Persephone Phoenix: is pretty nice for us I'd say.
Zenigma Suntzu: yep
kaia Ennui: it is very nice
Gabe Lippmann: sure
Adri Saarinen: It would be nice maybe one day to have land we can donate for events, though, as well as funds.
kaia Ennui: well i dont see that people couldn't borrow the mature one for an event as it is
Gabe Lippmann: anyone can use the Mature land
Gabe Lippmann: just clean up
kaia Ennui: i have thought about it myself
kaia Ennui: organize something cool and just ask FFRC for use of land for a week or something
Gabe Lippmann: 6000 sq m
kaia Ennui: yeah, it is awesome
Zenigma Suntzu: We have quite a large amount of land available for us.
Zenigma Suntzu: the Make Land is avaialble for events and it's 28000+
Gabe Lippmann: yup
Adri Saarinen: Aha. I wonder if our applicants know that? :)
kaia Ennui: wow that is wonderful to know
Adri Saarinen: Because I didn't.
kaia Ennui: and that is PG, right?
Zenigma Suntzu: Yes PG
kaia Ennui: fantastic
Persephone Phoenix: that's why i am thinking that it would be good for the development committee
Gabe Lippmann: good point, Adri
Zenigma Suntzu: and it has a building, a wide open space and a lovely tree
Persephone Phoenix: to put together an information resource of free things incl free space
kaia Ennui: nice :)
Zenigma Suntzu: and even an auditorium and sandbox.
Persephone Phoenix: builders who will build for free, etc.
kaia Ennui: yes perse i agree
Persephone Phoenix: I started a forum thread to gather info
Adri Saarinen: Sounds like a good time to talk about publicity. :)
Zenigma Suntzu: Adri, Blitz Build has been held there a number of times.
Gabe Lippmann: available resource list, including contacts
<u>Gabe Lippmann</u>Casey Benton gave you Pumacity Convention Center Services v2.0- Mar 06.[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: yes good phrasing Gabe.
Persephone Phoenix: Thanks casey!
Persephone Phoenix: wow that's a well put together info card. :-)
Casey Benton: There's my contribution. :P
Gabe Lippmann: that's sssssuper
Persephone Phoenix: so maybe we can bring info on free stuff and spaces here next week to compile a notecard?
Persephone Phoenix: I can make it into an object (book) if you like even. the notecard dispenser. :-)
Gabe Lippmann: right
kaia Ennui: cute
Gabe Lippmann: cool
kaia Ennui: i have to get some work done
Gabe Lippmann: add some pics
Persephone Phoenix: ok. so next is cash flow
Gabe Lippmann: cya, kaia
Gabe Lippmann: thanks for coming
kaia Ennui: before i go i want to say YAYAYAYYAYAYYAYA for the concert yesterday
Persephone Phoenix: we're almost done
Persephone Phoenix: hehe
Persephone Phoenix: yahhh!
Persephone Phoenix: that was so awesome!!!
kaia Ennui: i think we made history in SL
Persephone Phoenix: I wish I coulda come tothe wrap party
Persephone Phoenix: *cries*
kaia Ennui: yeah me too
Gabe Lippmann: haha
Zenigma Suntzu: ty kaia :)
Persephone Phoenix: yeah! so much fun -- awesome effort all round
Casey Benton: Whoops, gotta jet. See you all later!
kaia Ennui: have a wonderful week all
Persephone Phoenix: you rule kaia and Zen
Gabe Lippmann: ok, cya
Gabe Lippmann: yes, nice job
<u>Gabe Lippmann</u>Persephone Phoenix waves bye[/color]
kaia Ennui: zen rules
Persephone Phoenix: heh yes he does. and zen so many people were saying what a great voice you have! :-)
Zenigma Suntzu: *happy*
Zenigma Suntzu: Oh really ;)
kaia Ennui: perse i think we were going to look at the dreams thing together? i dont remember what we were going to do now lol
kaia Ennui: but IM me
Persephone Phoenix: yah ok I will
Persephone Phoenix: coz i need to put more up there
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Adri Saarinen grins at Zen, "Yeah, really."[/color]
kaia Ennui: ok
Gabe Lippmann: Zen, the expesne list you gave?
Persephone Phoenix: later tonight you on?
Zenigma Suntzu: Yes Gabe
kaia Ennui: sorta
Gabe Lippmann: is that for reimbursement from the coffers?
kaia Ennui: i will be gone in a few hours
Zenigma Suntzu: No
kaia Ennui: hbo night
kaia Ennui: but im generally always on
Gabe Lippmann: ah, ok
Zenigma Suntzu: Oh you like the Sopranos?
kaia Ennui: of course
Zenigma Suntzu: My wife had a song on there ;)
Persephone Phoenix: :-)
kaia Ennui: im huge hbo fan
Gabe Lippmann: HBO snobs
Persephone Phoenix: Really!?
kaia Ennui: wow cool!
Zenigma Suntzu: Uh huh :)
Zenigma Suntzu: remember when Meadow was in the choir?
Persephone Phoenix: I'll have to scour the dvds now. hehe
kaia Ennui: yes
<u>kaia Ennui</u>Adri Saarinen doesn't even get cable. Loves tv on dvd, though[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: yeah.
Zenigma Suntzu: That was her arrangement.
Persephone Phoenix: (me too Adri!)
Zenigma Suntzu: they held up her sheet music.
Persephone Phoenix: oh that's so kewl.
kaia Ennui: that is awesome!!!
Gabe Lippmann: very cool
Zenigma Suntzu: anyhow, be sure to buy the DVD set season 1. ;)
<u>Zenigma Suntzu</u>Zenigma Suntzu laughs.[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: i have it!
Persephone Phoenix: :-)
kaia Ennui: hehe i have soundtrack of season 1
kaia Ennui: is it on there?
Persephone Phoenix: well if my ex didn't take it that is
Zenigma Suntzu: aw it's not on the soundtrack :(
Persephone Phoenix: aw.
kaia Ennui: bummer
kaia Ennui: ok toodles for real
Zenigma Suntzu: Ok, au revoir :)
Gabe Lippmann: bye
Persephone Phoenix: ok so one other thing really unless people have questions for gabe
Persephone Phoenix: gabe you wanna talk about cash flow?
Persephone Phoenix: i'll brb. guy at the door with a new screen door for me.
Zenigma Suntzu: I should explain that note card.
Gabe Lippmann: Are the finances square on the concert?
Zenigma Suntzu: I'll just hop in and do that now.
Gabe Lippmann: i didn't pay anyone anything
Zenigma Suntzu: Right ... Gabe, CS paid the 2nd month of 24,000 directly to me.
Gabe Lippmann: ok, cool
Zenigma Suntzu: And I paid it all out on the concert.
Zenigma Suntzu: plus some, which I'm covering.
Zenigma Suntzu: So we have the 12,000 left in accounting, plus NEXT month's payment of $75 US we expect.
Gabe Lippmann: great, can I get a record just for, well, the record
Gabe Lippmann: ?
Zenigma Suntzu: That note card is the detail.
Gabe Lippmann: perfect, thanks
Zenigma Suntzu: we voted on this last week.
Gabe Lippmann: right
Zenigma Suntzu: It's basically 2500/musician and a little for advertising.
Gabe Lippmann: just making sure it's all covered
Zenigma Suntzu: yes.
Zenigma Suntzu: The 12,000 is left for small funding... and we just spent 6,000 of that today.
Zenigma Suntzu: and we are expecting another $75 US in about a month.
Gabe Lippmann: right
Zenigma Suntzu: which is not pre-spent on anything.
Gabe Lippmann: great
Gabe Lippmann: all seems in order finance-wise
Zenigma Suntzu: The concert report is:
Zenigma Suntzu: it was incredible.
<u>Zenigma Suntzu</u>Peter Newell claps[/color]
Gabe Lippmann: it was
Zenigma Suntzu: the community helped immensely.
Zenigma Suntzu: we had about 200 unique avatars.
Gabe Lippmann: i got some decent pics, i think, for the Met Messenger
Adri Saarinen: It was /amazing/
Zenigma Suntzu: and peaked at about 85 for some hours.
Zenigma Suntzu: there were no technical glitches to speak of.
Gabe Lippmann: it was amazingly lag free, really
Zenigma Suntzu: that was amazing.
Zenigma Suntzu: Also, it's totally community...
Zenigma Suntzu: no special requests were made of the Lindens for that concert.

Peter Newell: that's awesome.
Gabe Lippmann: probably one reason they loved it so, haha
Zenigma Suntzu: If we had needed some, we would have asked...
Zenigma Suntzu: but they have provided enough :)
Gabe Lippmann: Smashing success, Zen
Gabe Lippmann: great job
Peter Newell: So... What's next? ^^
Zenigma Suntzu: MM interviewed the marketing dir of city stages today.
Zenigma Suntzu: so look for that in MM :)
Gabe Lippmann: great
Zenigma Suntzu: Well, Peter...
Zenigma Suntzu: what we're looking at, is broadcasting a live stream from our RL stage
Zenigma Suntzu: June 15.
Zenigma Suntzu: but it's VERY tentative.
Gabe Lippmann: that would be great
Zenigma Suntzu: also, I have worked out streaming live webcam into SL.
Gabe Lippmann: awesome
Zenigma Suntzu: So, that's a possibility.
Peter Newell: awesome.
Gabe Lippmann: Thank you, Zen
Gabe Lippmann: for the update
Gabe Lippmann: I think we have about wrapped up the agenda for today
Gabe Lippmann: unless there is anything anyone wants to discuss yet?
Adri Saarinen: I'd like to talk about publicity for the FFRC

FFRC April 23 Chatlog - Part 4 of 4

Peter Newell: We'll have a good test of the box office today as well, at 4sl
Gabe Lippmann: right
Gabe Lippmann: go for it, Adri
Peter Newell: Glossy Page is giving a hair seminar
Gabe Lippmann: will be interesting, Peter, for sure
Zenigma Suntzu: how much is it?
Adri Saarinen: I have talked to several people, event runners, and content generators, who had no idea about the FFRC. I really think that it provides an incredibly valuable service to the SL community.
Gabe Lippmann: hair siminar?
Gabe Lippmann: 100 i think
Adri Saarinen: But it's hard to serve people if they don't know we exist. Hard to do fund drives as well.
Gabe Lippmann: all true
Adri Saarinen: I propose that we start an aggressive marketing campaign to get the name out there.
Gabe Lippmann: this is something we have not gotten going
Peter Newell: 100L, yes
Gabe Lippmann: due to several big projects, etc
Adri Saarinen: I had to twist Renee Ingmann's arm to get her to apply for the Pride Event funding.
Gabe Lippmann: but is always in the back of the mind
Adri Saarinen: She had never heard of the FFRC, and when I told her about it, she felt her event wasn't something we would want to sponsor.
Gabe Lippmann: hopefully, it went ok for her
Zenigma Suntzu: I hope FFRC got a little boost yesterday.
Gabe Lippmann: yeah, hopefully
Adri Saarinen: I think that getting some advertising out there, both in terms of traditional ads and press releases as well as scheduling interviews and public appearances, could really help us get our name out there and look accessable to the SL community as a whole.
Gabe Lippmann: agreed
Adri Saarinen: Certainly it would help minimize some of the (unfortunately rather valid) complaints about 'user unfriendliness.'
Gabe Lippmann: did you have a plan of attack in mind?
Adri Saarinen: Well, we'd have to discuss budgeting, of course. But a 100,000 impressions web ad on the SLEx is only 5kL
Gabe Lippmann: right
Gabe Lippmann: would it be ok if you put some stuff in a card for next meeting
Gabe Lippmann: with costs, etc
Adri Saarinen: I'd love to.
Zenigma Suntzu: Have I ever seen one of the user unfriendliness people at a meeting?
<u>Zenigma Suntzu</u>Zenigma Suntzu looks around.[/color]
Adri Saarinen: This meeting is getting long, and I know people have other events to get to.
Gabe Lippmann: what we have lacked is someone to spearhead this
Gabe Lippmann: ah, well, you have to expect some anxiety from people asking for money
Adri Saarinen: I'm currently launching a rather aggressive marketing/publicity campaign for my own new business, so I'm already gathering the info. :)
Gabe Lippmann: we have to make it easy on them
<u>Gabe Lippmann</u>Zenigma Suntzu nods.[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: kk back
Zenigma Suntzu: Yes, I'm into the idea.
Gabe Lippmann: wb, Perse
Gabe Lippmann: Adri is gonna put some info together to strengthen our Marketing platform
Persephone Phoenix: yeah sorry about that
Persephone Phoenix: trying to sell my house
Persephone Phoenix: great idea Adri!
Persephone Phoenix: have we needed you
Persephone Phoenix: :-)
Zenigma Suntzu: yay Adri!
Adri Saarinen: I'll bring a notecard of ideas and possible ad venues to the next meeting, and then if everyone is agreeable, start moving on some of this. :)
Persephone Phoenix: Great.
Gabe Lippmann: sounds wonderful, thank you
Persephone Phoenix: kat had done a resource notecard for press
Persephone Phoenix: lemme see if I can find that for you
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Adri Saarinen nods and has it.[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: good
Persephone Phoenix: ok great.
Gabe Lippmann: super
Gabe Lippmann: Any other items?
Persephone Phoenix: so are we met?
Persephone Phoenix: hehe
Peter Newell: Are you putting in the vote, Persephone?
Persephone Phoenix: Let's call us met. I'll go do the chatlog
Peter Newell: on the land issue
Zenigma Suntzu: yay
Gabe Lippmann: ok, good to see you all
Zenigma Suntzu: ty all
Persephone Phoenix: oh yeah I can
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Zenigma Suntzu smiles.[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: ok gonna go chatlog
Persephone Phoenix: ty all for coming
Adri Saarinen: Thanks Perse. :)
Adri Saarinen: Good to see everyone
Persephone Phoenix: and putting up with my occasional lapses
Persephone Phoenix: cheers.
Gabe Lippmann: cheers!
Persephone Phoenix: see you soon
Gabe Lippmann: I'm out.
Zenigma Suntzu: soon to be more pix at http://flickr.com/photos/zenigma plus one of my contacts is Perse who just put up about 15 of the concert.

Formatted and colorized with transcript.

This meeting was ended 15 minutes in due to a griefer attack on the grid.

FFRC AGENDA

1. Are all present ok with having their comments chatlogged for publication?
Followup on past applications re publicity, sponsorship sign, etc.

2. Ongoing Business
2.1 Funding Applications

2.2 Resources Guide
2.3 Land Purchase

3. Committe and Officer Reports
3.1 Treasurer report
3.2 Development committee report
3.2.a City Stages Opening
3.2.b Sponsor List
3.3 Publicity
3.3a Dreams Fair
3.3b Ad Placement (Adri for Chair?)

4. Next Meeting

No chatlog could be made, but we had just begun discussing land. The suggestion was made that we consider purchasing the land we meet at from Thea in order to continue to hold meetings there. This suggestion would arise again from a different source next meeting, culminating in our eventual decision to expend $15,000 to purchase the FFRC PG land in Sami.

May 7 Chatlog FFRC - Part 1 of 2

Kat Lemieux: Yep, a bunch of us were there having a meetup when the grid went down because of a griefer attack
Dreams Community Fair Invitations to Participate: Thank you for requesting this information
Persephone Phoenix: yeah i'm going to give folks notecards
Dreams Community Fair Invitations to Participate: LandMark giver at Sami has just been used by Marissa Akula!
Maczter Oddfellow: nice
Persephone Phoenix: does everyone agree with the chatlog question?
Kat Lemieux: Yes
Maczter Oddfellow: yeppers
Marissa Akula: yes, Miss
Troy McLuhan: yes
<u>Troy McLuhan</u>Sin Takakura nods [/color]
Sin Takakura accepted your inventory offer.
Marissa Akula accepted your inventory offer.
Maczter Oddfellow accepted your inventory offer.
Sin Takakura: (( *really has no clue and is just here for marissa!*
Troy McLuhan accepted your inventory offer.
Marissa Akula: ah ha! Ludo got his in! woohoo!
Kat Lemieux accepted your inventory offer.
Persephone Phoenix: anyone need an agenda?
Kat Lemieux: Got it, thanks
Persephone Phoenix: mkay so after the chatlog question
Persephone Phoenix: is the land issue.
Persephone Phoenix: last week's meeting concluded a week during which we amply raised enough in teir donations that we would be able to purchase the land.
Persephone Phoenix: At the beginning of the meeting, I purchased this land and the sale went through.
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Marissa Akula smiles[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: during the meeting (about 16 minutes after the start of it)
Persephone Phoenix: there was a grid crash.
Persephone Phoenix: though the 15,000L went out of my account
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Marissa Akula mrfs[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: i now do not own the land and did not notice this until today just before the meeting.
Kat Lemieux: Oh, no!
Persephone Phoenix: as i came todayi thought i would do a little cleanup but was shocked to find out that i couldn't
Persephone Phoenix: because the grid crash
Kat Lemieux: Did Thea get the payment?
Persephone Phoenix: required a rollback of the sim.
Persephone Phoenix: i haven't spoken to her but I IMed her today. she's in the UK.
Kat Lemieux: Ah.
Troy McLuhan: I had the same thing happen to me once, Perse
Persephone Phoenix: so now this land should not only be owned by me
Kat Lemieux: Well, maybe she'll just deed it to the group if she did get the payment
Persephone Phoenix: but also would have been transferred to the ffrc group
Persephone Phoenix: yeah that'd be awesome
Persephone Phoenix: she said she couldn't sell to group
Persephone Phoenix: but she could always deed to group
Persephone Phoenix: then the only issue would be being compensated by the ffrc since the money came out of my personal funds.
Carl Metropolitan: Can you not just "buy for group"?
Kat Lemieux: Thre shouldn't be any problem with that.
Persephone Phoenix: she had set it in my name alone.
Persephone Phoenix: she said she couldn't sell to a group
Persephone Phoenix: i only saw the option to buy, but there might have been something i could have done to buy for the group directly.
Carl Metropolitan: There is
Kat Lemieux: I move the FFRC treasurer be directed to reimburse Persephone for her expenses in obtaining the land for the group
Persephone Phoenix: i was buying out of pocket, but now the land is hers coz of the rollback. the money however is
Marissa Akula: second
Carl Metropolitan: When you have the FFRC "hat" on, click on "About Land"
Persephone Phoenix: gone.
Troy McLuhan: When this happened to me, I just called the 1-800 number and Lee Linden fixed it in about 10 minutes
Carl Metropolitan: You will have two buttons at the bottom
Persephone Phoenix: kewl. i'll do that tomorrow morning as advised
Persephone Phoenix: by a linden a few minutes ago
Carl Metropolitan: "Buy Land" and "Buy for Group"
Persephone Phoenix: ahhh. thanks carl. i didn't know that.
Carl Metropolitan: YOu should be able to click "Buy for Group" and buy it for the active group
Carl Metropolitan: Maks sure you have the FFRC "hat" on though when you do this.
Persephone Phoenix: anyway it is a moot point because however i had bought it wouldn't matter now
Kat Lemieux: Carl, since Thea had set the land for sale only to PErse, that option might not have been available
Persephone Phoenix: since the rollback made it belong to thea.
Persephone Phoenix: so we'd be sitting at exactly the same point
Persephone Phoenix: money gone from me and land still in her name.
Persephone Phoenix: but yeah i'll try to get it straightened out tomorrow.
Kat Lemieux: OK, point of order. There's a motion on the floor
Persephone Phoenix: so Kat has motioned that the treasurer bedirected to reimburse me for my expenses.
Persephone Phoenix: I will abstain from the vote
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Marissa Akula votes "yes please" [/color]
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Kat Lemieux votes in favor[/color]
Troy McLuhan: I'll second that (or was it already)
Kat Lemieux: It was seconded already, Troy
<u>Kat Lemieux</u>Marissa Akula seconded it[/color]
Troy McLuhan: Okay, then I vote in favor
Persephone Phoenix: thanks folks.
Persephone Phoenix: not a majority so far tho
Sin Takakura: (( please excuse me I have to be somewhere in a few minutes ))
Persephone Phoenix: well maybe of members only actually
Persephone Phoenix: Mac and Carl, are you voting or abstaining?
Carl Metropolitan: I am in facor
Carl Metropolitan: Sorry
Carl Metropolitan: I was afk
Carl Metropolitan: Favor
Persephone Phoenix: kk. now we've got a clear majority. ty
Carl Metropolitan: I vote "Yes"
Carl Metropolitan: I can spell "Yes"
Carl Metropolitan: Five letters appears to be to complicated for me.
Persephone Phoenix: ok so i'll let gabe know and see if Thea can just deed to group for us.
Persephone Phoenix: haha
Persephone Phoenix:
Maczter Oddfellow: ya
Maczter Oddfellow: yay
Maczter Oddfellow: yes
Persephone Phoenix: I'm on my third cup of coffee so my fingers are overactive.
Persephone Phoenix: so next are applications!
Persephone Phoenix: 3 of them. first one is for a sailboat show at the vagabond yacht club.
Marissa Akula: hmm... asking an amount of at least 9k... but leaving the exact amount to ffrc discretion
Persephone Phoenix: I'd like to support this proposal.
Persephone Phoenix: however the amount is exceeding our normal
Persephone Phoenix: grant.
Carl Metropolitan: 'Could I see that application.
Persephone Phoenix: It is a mature sim, so we know that this is coming out of our normal ffrc fund
Carl Metropolitan: I cam in after they were distributed
Carl Metropolitan accepted your inventory offer.
Persephone Phoenix: sorry Carl.
Carl Metropolitan: Thanks
Persephone Phoenix: you agree to be chatlogged right?
Kat Lemieux: I move that we fund this at our normal L$2000 rate
Persephone Phoenix: Hello Ed.
Persephone Phoenix: I second
Ed Baron: hi
Persephone Phoenix: ed do you agree to be chatlogged for our meeting?
Ed Baron: sure do
Persephone Phoenix: we do that for the sake of transparency. awesome.
Carl Metropolitan: I agree to be chatlogged, too
Persephone Phoenix: lemme get you an agenda.
Persephone Phoenix: great.
Ed Baron accepted your inventory offer.
Marissa Akula: hmm... this pony would like to make an extra proposal on that... fund for 9k, but this pony will provide FFRC with the extra 7k
Carl Metropolitan: I would be okay with paying a bit more than normal 2000, but not the whole 9000
Persephone Phoenix: wow Marissa, that's most generous
Carl Metropolitan: Never mind
Marissa Akula: water sports don't get enough attention it seem, this would be a good way to boosy that area a little
<u>Marissa Akula</u>Marissa Akula smiles[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: I did add to the group description where deposits could be made too incidentally
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Persephone Phoenix smiles and nods in agreement[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: ,too
Persephone Phoenix: So, may we restate the funding proposal question to say
Carl Metropolitan: I thought I saw some escorts offering water sports--but they charged a lot.
<u>Carl Metropolitan</u>Marissa Akula giggles![/color]
Ed Baron: HA!
Persephone Phoenix: conditional upon Marissa's donation of 7000, we would fund this proposal at the requested amount?
Marissa Akula: okies, deposit made
Maczter Oddfellow: guess id better get busy on my yacht i've had on hold for months
Persephone Phoenix: also marissa, you can give me a logo for anything you'd like in our sponsor sign
Kat Lemieux: I amend my motion to accept Marissa's donation, and fund for the full $9000
Persephone Phoenix: Fabulous, thanks kat. I again second
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Marissa Akula giggles[/color]
Marissa Akula: gonna hafta clean up the logo.
Persephone Phoenix: hehe
Persephone Phoenix: yeah. it has to be PG. but then send it to me after.
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Marissa Akula noddles[/color]
Maczter Oddfellow: 1 yes vote
Persephone Phoenix: oh and Mac you still owe me one too. *grins at him*
Marissa Akula: can do, Miss
Carl Metropolitan: Vote Yes
Maczter Oddfellow: yeah
Troy McLuhan: I vote yes
Marissa Akula: Vote yes
Kat Lemieux: vote yes
Persephone Phoenix: Great! on to the next proposal.
Maczter Oddfellow: finally found my font
Maczter Oddfellow: i made my logo 5 years ago and lost track of it
Persephone Phoenix: gah. she didn't reformat it to answer our questions exactly, but she did reformat it to be more specific.
Persephone Phoenix: great Mac!
Persephone Phoenix: I think this answers all our questions except for
Kat Lemieux: Whre will this event be held?
Persephone Phoenix: mood indigo is on mature land right?
Persephone Phoenix: it is original art
Marissa Akula: they definitely left the actual funding amount fuzzy...
Persephone Phoenix: yeah.
Kat Lemieux: What sim is Mood Indigo located in?
Persephone Phoenix: Olive
Marissa Akula: 20 - 50k... but there are other sponsors... *scritches her head*
Kat Lemieux: It's a bit awkward to have to do research on something as fundamental as the sim...
Maczter Oddfellow: i think this one needs to be tossed back
Kat Lemieux: And this is her 2nd try to get the applications right?
Persephone Phoenix: the contest prizes seem quite high
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Troy McLuhan is perplexed.[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: Yeah. I would say we consider it for our regular fund and instead of funding the prizes
Persephone Phoenix: that we offer to fund an event host for $L 500
Persephone Phoenix: what do you folks think?
Ed Baron: seems really high
Kat Lemieux: Hmmm... I kind of think this app isn't complete, and doesn't meet our format....
Persephone Phoenix: $L500? or her prizes?
Carl Metropolitan: Her prizes are high--but that's up to her.
Ed Baron: $L500
Kat Lemieux: Defnitely NOT her prizes
Carl Metropolitan: What is up to us is what we give.
Persephone Phoenix: you folks wanna accept the application or ask her to reapply?
Carl Metropolitan: I would propose we offer a standard 2K grant.
Persephone Phoenix: maybe let's start first with whether or not we will consider the application
Persephone Phoenix: since it is not standard format
Persephone Phoenix: I am willing to
Kat Lemieux: $2K is not outrageous, but since other people are able to use our form, I'm a bit perplexed why this applicant has a problem with it
Maczter Oddfellow: not clear what or how much we're considering in order to be able to vote on it
<u>Maczter Oddfellow</u>Marissa Akula nods " willing to accept the application, it has big holes, but they're easily plugged or overlooked"[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: It's for 20 days from now.
Persephone Phoenix: we can always ask her to reformat
Kat Lemieux: But this is here 2nd try already, isn't it?
Kat Lemieux: It takes our time to look at it over and over
Marissa Akula: wait... 20 days from now? and still unnamed?
Maczter Oddfellow: i second the motion to approve for L$2k
Kat Lemieux: Maybe we need to draw the line on following our format, and not just cave everytime ssomebody does their own thing?
Maczter Oddfellow: if she wants to reapply and clarify for a higher specific amount, then so be it
Maczter Oddfellow: since the event is near
Nefaniel Galbraith accepted your inventory offer.
Persephone Phoenix: she's reformatting it for us
Persephone Phoenix: I sent her the application
Persephone Phoenix: to make sure she had it.
Maczter Oddfellow: k
Kat Lemieux: Certainly there's nothing wrong with giving big prizes, but I do have a problem with asking us to fund them above our regular grants, and not even having the courtesy to follow our format
Troy McLuhan: Just now?
Persephone Phoenix: yeah just now
Persephone Phoenix: she may have it done for us bythe end of the meeting so let's stall on this maybe and get back to it, I propose.
Troy McLuhan: okay
Marissa Akula: fair enough!
Kat Lemieux: OK by me
Persephone Phoenix: ok. great.
Persephone Phoenix: on to app #3
Troy McLuhan: Good grief
Carl Metropolitan: Okay. I vote NO
Carl Metropolitan: If he's not willing to put up any of his "real money" I don't see why we should.
Carl Metropolitan: Also--it's a bit undefined at this point.
Kat Lemieux: Sounds like he needs to create a group who want to play his game, and get them to put up his land
Maczter Oddfellow: no from me too

May 7 Chatlog FFRC - Part 2 of 2

Kat Lemieux: IF he can do that, and wants to have events or support, we might revisit it. THis is too nebulous right now
Marissa Akula: votes no... with Miss Kat's suggestion tacked on to the response
Kat Lemieux: There's not indication that anybody else is even interested
Ed Baron: no from me
Troy McLuhan: I vote no as well
Marissa Akula: it's a good idea for sure...
Marissa Akula: but it seems like it's gonna need an entire region....
Marissa Akula: complete build... plentiful scripting...
Kat Lemieux: It does sound intriguing, but this guy is too n00b to try to ask for funding for a thing like this
Maczter Oddfellow: agreed
Kat Lemieux: But at the same time, I don't think he should be discouraged.
Kat Lemieux: SL can use novel ideas
<u>Kat Lemieux</u>Marissa Akula nods[/color]
Troy McLuhan: Maybe tell them we need something more concrete
Marissa Akula: hmm...
Marissa Akula: okies, plan! this pony can make a "beginner's kit" of information about building, scripting, etc... where to go to learn things
<u>Marissa Akula</u>Nefaniel Galbraith gave you FFRC App VA.[/color]
Marissa Akula: let him reapply when he understands what it is he actually wants to do?
Kat Lemieux: I've got a folder of that kind of stuff I can give you, Marissa
Marissa Akula: that'd help, Miss!
Persephone Phoenix: what about free space?
Persephone Phoenix: we have places that offer free space like mac
Maczter Oddfellow: mind droping one on me too, kat?
Troy McLuhan: Maybe point them to NCI or TeaZers or whatever
Persephone Phoenix: maybe we could offer him that and suggest that maybe he
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Marissa Akula nods to Troy[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: reapply with a more specific app for funds
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Nefaniel Galbraith gave you FFRC App PA.[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: mac would you be willing to host such a thing?
Marissa Akula: library of primatives... mmm... Scripters of second Life...
Maczter Oddfellow: hmm
Maczter Oddfellow: i'd need more info
Marissa Akula: okay, motion to respond with guidance and an invitation to reapply at a later date?
Kat Lemieux: second
Ed Baron accepted your inventory offer.
Marissa Akula: ah ha! much better app for the photocontest!
Kat Lemieux: Yes, much imporved
Troy McLuhan: yes, okay on the proposal for app 3
Kat Lemieux: improved^
Marissa Akula: yes on the proposal for prism
Gwyneth Llewelyn is online
Persephone Phoenix: ok so
Troy McLuhan: The new art photography contest app is much clearer now
<u>Troy McLuhan</u>Maczter Oddfellow nods[/color]
Ed Baron: i guess thats why there are guidelines
Persephone Phoenix: back quickly to the proposal number three i agree also respond with guidance and an invitation to reapply.
Persephone Phoenix: yes.
Persephone Phoenix:
Persephone Phoenix: this is still name pending but still, i am told, set for May 27.
Persephone Phoenix: but at least we know that it is only eligible for mainstream FFRC funding.
Persephone Phoenix: (no city stages apps this week looks like)
Kat Lemieux: Yep
Kat Lemieux: Maybe we ought to add "what sim?" to the application?
<u>Kat Lemieux</u>Maczter Oddfellow nods[/color]
Maczter Oddfellow: ...and the sim rating
Kat Lemieux: Right, Mac
Persephone Phoenix: sim rating?
Kat Lemieux: PG or Mature
Maczter Oddfellow: PG /Mature
Maczter Oddfellow: what Kat said
Persephone Phoenix: we ask if it will be on pg or mature land in question 5
Troy McLuhan: okay, so I move that we accept the second application (based on the new revision)
Maczter Oddfellow: heheh
Maczter Oddfellow: oh yeah
Kat Lemieux: Yes, but it's better to be able to verify that independently
Persephone Phoenix: kk. i agree Troy. *smiles*
Maczter Oddfellow: second the motion to accept the revised app for #2
Persephone Phoenix: Hello Ludo.
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Kat Lemieux votes in favor of accepting revised application [/color]
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Marissa Akula nods too[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: we just finished discussing your app a little bit ago.
Persephone Phoenix: I can talk with you after about what was decided, k?
Persephone Phoenix: ok sounds like that is finished (the apps)
Persephone Phoenix: Hello Ludo. do you agree to be chatlogged for the meeting?
Persephone Phoenix: if not please, remain silent in chat during the meeting.
Ludo Merit: I do.
Persephone Phoenix: next on the agenda is reprots
Persephone Phoenix: reports
Persephone Phoenix: i would like to motion that the cash flow report from gabe be amended to include a section on who has been paid out and the amount.
Persephone Phoenix: and I further motion that we have a document showing all payments and payees for public record, made up quarterly.
Persephone Phoenix: I propose this so that we be above any scrutiny in our reputation and conduct.
Kat Lemieux: Second
Marissa Akula: good plan!
Persephone Phoenix: Any other discussion? votes?
Maczter Oddfellow: ay
Maczter Oddfellow: i
stpaulsub Clio is online
Maczter Oddfellow: eye
Kat Lemieux: aye
Persephone Phoenix: hehe
Persephone Phoenix: mkay great. moving on.
Persephone Phoenix: Adri can't be with us today but she gave me an update on her findings for
Persephone Phoenix: increasing our profile.
Persephone Phoenix: she built on Kat's list of media outlets
Persephone Phoenix: and started asking for PSA time / space
Persephone Phoenix: that is free time
Kat Lemieux: Outstanding!
Persephone Phoenix: specifically so that we can list the names of fundees.
Persephone Phoenix: again, so that we can be above scrutiny.
Persephone Phoenix: additionally, to give our grantees a publicity boost
Persephone Phoenix: and finally to build awareness of the ffrc.
Persephone Phoenix: so that's that notecard... a progress report.
Persephone Phoenix: Adri is having a fashion show atm or she'd be here.
Persephone Phoenix: last i heard her say was "chaos, chaos" hehe
<u>Persephone Phoenix</u>Kat Lemieux smiles[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: Anyone have new business to raise?
Kat Lemieux: I wonder if we ought to reconsider the size of our grants?
Ed Baron: well...
Kat Lemieux: Lots of recent applications show that L$2000 doesn't go very far, and we have plenty of money
Persephone Phoenix: i'd wait until we've completed our outgoing funds reporting restructuring maybe.
Persephone Phoenix: the problem is that we want to be sure that we are receiving donations at the rate of giving disbursements.
Kat Lemieux: Good point
Persephone Phoenix: but maybe we should consider making a larger award category for bigger projects.
Persephone Phoenix: we can add that to ongoing business.
Persephone Phoenix: i'd say it merits consideration.
Persephone Phoenix: i'd really like to get Gabe's feedback on that, though.
Marissa Akula: definitely needs some looking into!
Kat Lemieux: As an applicant for somthing like that, I hesitate to speak on it, but it would be great!
Persephone Phoenix: yeah. i hear you're viewpoint, Kat.
Ed Baron: i know since ive started the starving artists Gallery ive spent way over 2,000 in under a day LOL
Persephone Phoenix: how do you spend that money, Ed?
Ed Baron: Ive used some of it for Ads in SL radio stations
Ed Baron: because the whole idea is to bring publicty up for these artists
Ed Baron: it also helps land costs etc
Persephone Phoenix: can I get the LM for your gallery?
Ed Baron: sure thing
<u>Ed Baron</u>Ed Baron gave you Starving artists of Second Life.[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: i'm looking back to see what the decision was on your application. I see it was submitted 3-30
Ed Baron: i knew it was a ways back LOL
Ludo Merit: Hello?
Ed Baron: hi
Ed Baron: lol
Persephone Phoenix: ok unless folks have new business i'd say let's consider the meeting met then.

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