"The Foundation for Rich Content" (FFRC)

You: As folks note, the transcript of today's meeting will be chatlogged. Please use IMs if you want to avoid having comments posted in the forums. The goal of the FFRC is to promote rich content in SL and we also need to maintain transparency.
You: Anyone who wishes to note a problem with having comments being chatlogged let me know or say so in chat. k?
You: Like if you're in the witness protection program or summat.
Carl Metropolitan: In an effort to maintain transparency, I have wet t-shirts available.
You: haha
Nebulosus Severine: rofl
Persephone Phoenix smiles and waves @ Carl
You: First Item of business: Applications!
You: Anyone have applications to present, pass them out.
You: I have one to send you all
Aliasi Stonebender: I have one I intend to submit, but I haven't finished typing it out.
You: applications may be made through an FFRC officer or presented at meetings.
You: ahhh. k, Alaisi. Get to it! lol
Patch Lamington: I dont want to take up meeting time... but part reason Im here was Ive never been able to get carl, gabe or perephone online before to chat and see if my ideas fit
You: Sure Patch. chat with me after if that's ok?
Patch Lamington: ok
You: or just check out the stated mission in our group listing and decide for yourself.
You: Everyone get a PrimWorx Show and Tell application?
Nebulosus Severine: yes
Chase Speculaas: aye
Aliasi Stonebender: ya.
Kat Lemieux: yep
Patch Lamington: yup
Erik Pasternak: yes
You: Members of FFRC vote please Yes or No on the application in front of us.
Erik Pasternak: yes
Patch Lamington: yes
Kat Lemieux: In favor
You: Alisa, we're chatlogging for forum records of meeting minutes just so's ya know
Carl Metropolitan: I vote Yes
Smuk Zaftig: yes
Nebulosus Severine: i also vote yes
You: Great. Sounds like a majority. yay.
Alisa Honey: k
You: I also vote Yes.
Aliasi Stonebender: (yeah, I know. Ain't nothing I'm not used to from Neualtenburg's town meetings.
You: Anyone (smiles @ Aliasi) who wants to put forward an application for consideration this week let me know.
You: or actually, just pass out your application to everyone.
Aliasi Stonebender: almost done, gimme a moment...
You: if not, and if you want a chance to apply for next week (stalls for aliasi) lol
Patch Lamington: tick tick tick
You: check out the top floor of the FFRC Building
Erik Pasternak is tapping his foot
Aliasi Stonebender: okay
You: where there is an application distribution box
You: yay. heh.
Aliasi Stonebender: it's basic, but I canexplain anything else.
Aliasi Stonebender gave you FFRC Application - Holoball League.
You: kk. just answer the 4 questions is all we ask. yay.
You: fabulous. Sounds interesting, Aliasi. I'd say that's a strong application. Brevity isn't always a bad thing.
Aliasi Stonebender: okay, everyone should have one now, I hope.
Chase Speculaas: Yay for HoloBall!
Nebulosus Severine: yes, ive got one
Chase Speculaas: <ahem>
Aliasi Stonebender: and Chase here can vouch for the existence of Holoball itself, participated in the open demo.
Alisa Honey: whats tron?
Chase Speculaas: lol
Aliasi Stonebender: Tron.
Patch Lamington: got it... fast work aliaisi
Erik Pasternak: is this darn fangled haloball fun to play?
Aliasi Stonebender: you know, TRON.
Carl Metropolitan: A movie from the lat 70s
Chase Speculaas: but of course
Paradise Popinjay: Tron, man. SL is Tron's natural home.
Alisa Honey: i was born in 75
You: FFRC Membership! please read the Aliasi application and vote accordingly.
Carl Metropolitan: Guy gets transported into a video game world
Aliasi Stonebender: Well, I think so.
Erik Pasternak: lol, then I vote yes
You: hehe @ Alisa.
Smuk Zaftig: i vote yes
You: Yes
Chase Speculaas: yes
Carl Metropolitan: I vote Yes
Nebulosus Severine: yes
Patch Lamington: yes... btw it is fun
Kat Lemieux: yes
Patch Lamington: is that thing housetrained?
Nebulosus Severine: hehe
Alisa Honey: sounds good to me would luv to see it
Aliasi Stonebender: Well
Carl Metropolitan: Now--how much money are we authorizing?
Carl Metropolitan: The application did not say.
Aliasi Stonebender: the arena is open for public play right now, you can swing by and play a game anytime you like.
Aliasi Stonebender: I dunno, I figured that was up to you.
You: ok 2 more notecards (sounds like a Yes for Aliasi's proposal also)
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Object: For a list of colors type /1 listcolors
Object: For more help, refer to the notecard that came with me'
You: One is from Gabe who wasn't able to be here today
Aliasi Stonebender: ideally, if it was the max of 2k, I'd split it up into a series of, oh, 300-400 prizes and hold a series of games over a few weeks.
Aliasi Stonebender: er
Aliasi Stonebender: 300L prized
Aliasi Stonebender: not 300 prizes.
You: You know, if you ever want an item for giveaway, like eyes for example, let me know Aliasi (side note).
Erik Pasternak: hi *s*
Katt Kongo: Hi ty for the tp
Nebulosus Severine: yes, i can donate items to events, as well
Aliasi Stonebender: I'll keep that in mind!
Alisa Honey: bling off
You: awesome Nebulosus
Carl Metropolitan: I can, too
Nebulosus Severine: cool
You: Hello Katt. Great to see you.
Smuk Zaftig too
Aliasi Stonebender: Over at Squidsoft we all make stuff, so we'll probably give away some of our stuff too.
Carl Metropolitan: I sell artwork
Alisa Honey: i can but dont have anything good to donate
You: So it looks like (great Aliasi)
Katt Kongo: Likewise, Persephone
You: we are done with applications for today? two funded?
Carl Metropolitan: Your jewelry is really good, Alisa
Alisa Honey: ty
You: o i need jewelry too! gimme an LM alisa.
Alisa Honey: profile
You: ok next we are on to item 1.2 then
You: ty Alisa. I'll check it out
Aliasi Stonebender: (I'll probably hold the first event sometime this week. Either thursday, or maybe saturday.)
Chase Speculaas: yay
You: Box office. hopefully everyone got the box office idea card that was an outgrowth of last week's discussion.
Nebulosus Severine: yes
Erik Pasternak: I did not
You: I think I missed katt maybe?
Carl Metropolitan: Yes
You: ahh ok
Patch Lamington: no I.. Im new to the group
Katt Kongo: Thank you
Nebulosus Severine: i did ask my friend, by the way, persephone.. but unfortunately he is too busy with rl stuff lately to be able to tackle the box office idea
You: I was thinking we might go public with the idea and make an event out of it also.
Nebulosus Severine: yes, that might be a better idea then
Nebulosus Severine: yes, that might be a better idea then
You: I have an idea I'd like to float by the FFRC membership for a formal vote today
You: I'm thinking we host a month long Box Office Contest (who can build a better box office?) to meet the minimum requirements as outlined on that notecard.
Aliasi Stonebender: hm, this looks a little like a pay-to-use teleporter I scripted, but kind of the flipside.
Erik Pasternak: One note on this box office, I would hope the event hold (land owner) couls set the time allowed to stay for free
You: Then offering a prize for whomever can design the best box office contingent upon the person making a bare bones model available as shareware for event hosts in SL.
Alisa Honey: products wanted ad in forum?
Carl Metropolitan: That's a good idea
Nebulosus Severine: yeah
Erik Pasternak: shareware or open source?
You: yes. we'd do a big publicity blitz on it. What I'd like to propose is that we spend 1k on advertising and somewhere between 5000 and 10000 on a prize maybe (all in linden of course)
You: hmm. good question Erik. both would be ideal. what do you think would best serve SL scripters and event hosts?
Erik Pasternak: open source
You: It would be nice if the box office included a build also.
Erik Pasternak: if people are able to charge as they see fit for their events, the event quality will go up
Alisa Honey: i like the antechamber part
You: yes exactly.
Smuk Zaftig: open source is better, obviously. but wouldnt it be easier to find a willing scriptor if it were only shareware?
Erik Pasternak: creates a supply and demand, if rthe shareware is too limited, it won't get used
Carl Metropolitan: Open source is good--but you are expecting the creator to give up all rights essentially--so the prize we give should be on the high end.
You: me too. god i'd love to build a sartre set in sl. hehe
You: I agree Carl.
Smuk Zaftig: good point erik
You: Do you guys agree to a 10K prize? it is a bit much, but we are asking a big thing also
Kat Lemieux: 2nd Carl's take on it
Nebulosus Severine: i agree to 10k
Erik Pasternak: I'll put $750 into it right now if you make it 10k
Nebulosus Severine: and i agree that it should be open source
You: I guess we should do two votes. One to say do you agree with the premise of a box office contest
Smuk Zaftig: 10k seems appropriate, thats pretty good incentive
You: Awesome Erik. All contributions can go to FFRCAccounting Control
Nebulosus Severine: i will donate 1k now too, if it is agreed that it will be open source
Carl Metropolitan: If we do that--10K--I want the FFRC's name associated with the script prominantly
You: or something like that (avatar name with a dummy account for better bookkeeping)
Carl Metropolitan: FFRCAccounting Control
Erik Pasternak: I'll wait for the vote *s*
Nebulosus Severine: me too, lol
Kat Lemieux: L$10K seems low to me -- that's US$36 for something that could be very important to SL
Carl Metropolitan: Just checked the Find
Patch Lamington: I'll abstain here... Im not quite sure what is involved, though it sounds reasonable
Erik Pasternak: kat, I agree, I think it should be higher
Carl Metropolitan: Well--we can't afford to empty our budget either.
Erik Pasternak: SL will ebenfit greatly
You: Yes. I agree. It would be something like maybe called the Box Office by FFRC and the winning scripter.
You: well our cash flow at present is 51,499 minus the 4k that went out today
Kat Lemieux: THen maybe it should be an incentive award rather than a way to release thecscript to the world?
Alisa Honey: well if we r given all rights to it cant we just change the name
You: I am thinking this: all rights but modify
Erik Pasternak: I think maybe we should let the scripter get creative with the concept, rather than giving a lot of specifics about what to do with it
Erik Pasternak: might be better ideas out there
You: though it is harder to give away unless it is full perms
Nebulosus Severine: it should be full perms
You: sure. we can put this forward as a wish list
Nebulosus Severine: this is about enriching the sl world
You: yeah ok. so full perms (I agree Nebulosus)
Nebulosus Severine: and that will make it easier
Nebulosus Severine nods
You: what do you folks think would be a good sum for a reward for a prize?
Erik Pasternak: so long as we can modify the sceript, I'm cool with it
Kat Lemieux: Enriching SL is good, but scripters are notoriously undercompensated in SL
Erik Pasternak: script
Nebulosus Severine: hm
You: (prize only after script has been made open source and build is avail to public)
Nebulosus Severine: right
Carl Metropolitan: Everyone is notoriously undercompensated in SL
Smuk Zaftig: mmhmm
Erik Pasternak: lol, true carl
You: absolutely carl
Chase Speculaas: exactly what I was about to say Carl
You: heh
Nebulosus Severine: we could always organize some kind of fund raiser to get the money for the prize
Alisa Honey: i think 10l sems fair considering the econamy on sl anyway how many actuly change it to us dollers
Nebulosus Severine: just an idea
Chase Speculaas: yeah
Chase Speculaas: I'd say so too
Alisa Honey: oops 10k
Chase Speculaas: LOL
Kat Lemieux: Well, this concept is something that COULD change the way events are done in SL.
Nebulosus Severine: right
Chase Speculaas: yep... 10 L wouldn't get us much of a box office
You: How about if we said 15,000
Kat Lemieux: Seems like it's worth more than L$10K
You: that's enough to get people's attention I'd say.
Nebulosus Severine: 15k sounds good
Nebulosus Severine: yeah
Erik Pasternak: I'm willing to put more in if that's what it takes, this concept is integral to my business model
Carl Metropolitan: I have big concerns about us spending that much money.
Erik Pasternak: I'll put up as mucha s I can for the prize
Nebulosus Severine: i will put in at least 1k for this
Aliasi Stonebender: I can't put inanything, but I am sketching out ideas for the script itself right now.
Carl Metropolitan: But--if people are willing to help fund it, I will withdraw them and vote "Yes"
You: they can also sell a better model and use the freebie as a kick off for the full scale model maybe.
You: awesome.
Zonax Delorean: hi
Nebulosus Severine: true
Chase Speculaas: man... we've got to find some rich donors like they have over in Gor... fighting tournament there yesterday had a 32,500 L prize
Patch Lamington: well, at least two people here want to put money in as it will be useful to them
Zonax Delorean: sorry, totally forgot about the time while playing a game lol
You: Ok. Hi Zonax. You're funded on your App btw, Zonax. great application.
Kat Lemieux: I can put in some L$
Aliasi Stonebender: Well, *I* ain't wearing any silks. ;P
Smuk Zaftig: could we do some sort of fund raiser or the like. get a chunk opf money specifically for this, then offer it?
Chase Speculaas: hehe
Zonax Delorean: othanks Perse
Nebulosus Severine: lol, ali
Alisa Honey: thats cuase they take all there subs money to loll
You: wow, Chase! Wanna be on our development committee and introduce us to those folks?
Patch Lamington: a fund raiser might get some more, but then you need to postpone the competition at least a week
Chase Speculaas: hehe
You: let's go for it now. I wanna get it going and we have enough money in the bank.
Nebulosus Severine: i agree, persephone
Erik Pasternak: let's start it at $15k and ask that donors contact Persephone about adding to that number
Chase Speculaas: well, I ain't promising anything.... but I'll keep an eye on these high-roller donors
Erik Pasternak: as it rises, more people will start working on it
You: OK FFRC MEMBERSHIP please vote on WHETHER to approve the BOX OFFICE COMPETITION (good Idea Erik)
Nebulosus Severine: yeah, true
Persephone Phoenix votes yes
Carl Metropolitan: And at what sum?
Erik Pasternak: yes
Smuk Zaftig: yes
Nebulosus Severine: and this is for open source?
Chase Speculaas: yes
You: that will be the 2nd vote, Carl
Carl Metropolitan: Are we voting for 15K?
Erik Pasternak: 15k, I'll put in 1500
Carl Metropolitan: Yes for the idea
You: Yes. For Open Souce
Smuk Zaftig: jsut box office
Alisa Honey: think i got to be readded as a member
Nebulosus Severine: ok, i vote Yes
Kat Lemieux: Yes for the idea
Nebulosus Severine: and i will donate 1k right now
Kat Lemieux: and I'll chip in L$1000
You: Awesome Erik. (I gave 10K for startup for the foundation but will make quarterly contributions)
Nebulosus Severine: done
You: kk Alisa. Join us gal! heh
Erik Pasternak: so 15k is approved?
You: Anyone else voting yes on the box office idea? just for the box office? or no?
You: nope not yet erik
Erik Pasternak: k
Alisa Honey: yes
You: Great. anyone else want to comment?
You: Next we'll vote on money.
You: I'
You: m thinking the money vote will go like this
Zonax Delorean: Persephone: could you drop all the notecards on me? i just got here and have none yet
You: those who want 10k, those who want 15K and those who want more than 15K (all prizes possibly added to by other interests who want to support the initiative).
You: sure Zonax
Kat Lemieux: I vote for L$15K + donations
Erik Pasternak: 15k plus here
Alisa Honey: did i get the card on the first proposal?
You: I vote for 15K plus donations here
Nebulosus Severine: i also vote for 15k plus
Chase Speculaas: could I say... take some odd 8000 - 10K from the FFRC treasury, then the rest would be composed of donations specifically for the initiative?
Zonax Delorean: thanks Persephone... got all notecards
Carl Metropolitan: I vote for 10K (plus donations)
Alisa Honey: yes 15 plus
Alisa Honey: ty
Smuk Zaftig:i think it should be started at 15K, with a strong attempt made at generating more via donations
Patch Lamington: i still abstain (from voting anyway)
Chase Speculaas: I also abstain (since I'm such a very small stakeholder in FFRC)
You: Any FFRC member may vote, Chase, but the right to abstain is also yours
Chase Speculaas:
Zonax Delorean: i abstain i just got here, didn't hear everything
You: ok. Sounds like we are going with 15K with an attempt to generate more donations.
You: Anyone else want to speak on the issue before we close it?
Erik Pasternak: zonax, we're voting on funding for a contest for scripters tocreate an open source Box Office so people can charge for events without sealing off land or selling land passes
You: Thanks Erik
Erik Pasternak: ok, approved? This 1500l is burning a hole in pocket, lol
Zonax Delorean: well, i agree with the idea.. sounds good... i didn't have time yet to read the proposition througs... but sounds nice
Chase Speculaas: lol
Nebulosus Severine: lol
You: something to be along the guidelines of the card I just gave ya.
You: ok. so I'd suggest that we do a campaign about raising the prize
Erik Pasternak: yes, lett additional donors raise the stakes
You: that would last one month and another month to get the box office built.
Alisa Honey: gonna run an ad in the products wanted forum thats free to advertize kinda
Alisa Honey: ?
Nebulosus Severine: and this is going to be promoted in the forums, yes?
You: This way, at the end of March, we would have the Box office ready for folks affected by the DI issue
Erik Pasternak: I'd suggest products wanted and in the scripting forum, what about in the wiki?
You: yep. Forums ... and hopefully the messenger...
Paradise Popinjay: ...the DI issue?
Alisa Honey: noone will make me a pocket protector loll
Carl Metropolitan: It would alsomake sense to cross post to the Events forum
Nebulosus Severine: lol
You: Yes. it would be less likely to be amalgamated into one thread if different people posted it.
Nebulosus Severine: yes, i agree, carl
Nebulosus Severine: the more publicity this gets, the better
Alisa Honey: specialy now they got some not so nice saying it polite as i can residents monitering the forums
Smuk Zaftig: what about at our (FFRCers) various businesses/meetingplaces
You: Carl would you post it in Events? And then can we get another person to post in scripting? (Ideally a scripter) and I would post it in products wanted?
Erik Pasternak: katt's half asleep pers, she said she'll run an ad for it in the messeenger *l*
Katt Kongo: lol
You: yes it would be a great idea to have a flyer that promoted it and distributed a notecard. and Yay ty Erik!
Carl Metropolitan: Okay--I need a final notecard with the official rules and requirements, though
Persephone Phoenix pours Katt a coffee
Nebulosus Severine: i am willing to help in creating any graphics that will help with these events
Alisa Honey: can put a ad in the waterhead telahub free to place there
Katt Kongo: mmmm thanks
Carl Metropolitan: Good idea, Alisa
Carl Metropolitan: We could use a display ad for that--and Nebulosus can make one.
Erik Pasternak: I'll put a sign up if someone makes one, in my business right next to my fffrc sign
Nebulosus Severine nods
You: OK. I would love to have an object team then of Nebulosus and Carl (oo great idea Alisa) and I will work on official Rules and requirements for next week's meeting
Carl Metropolitan: Great
Nebulosus Severine: sounds good
You: I'll run it by folks and see what you all think about it. Anyone else who wants to work on that either singly or with me, is welcome to.
Erik Pasternak: did gabe ever egt the FFRC donation jar done?
Kat Lemieux: I"ll put upa sign in the Spaceflight museum, and in my shops
Alisa Honey: im willing to help wherever needed
Carl Metropolitan: I did one for him
You: I didn't hear about that. I think Carl was working on it
Erik Pasternak: can you drop one on me carl?
You: ah yay Carl. Wanna pass that out to folks?
Carl Metropolitan: He just has to have FFRC Accounting Control place it
Erik Pasternak: ohh
Carl Metropolitan: Otherwise the money will not go to the group
Alisa Honey: we just stick these in our stores?
You: oh i see
Erik Pasternak: I'll IM him then
Carl Metropolitan: So you need to get him to place them
You: ok. we'll see if he can send it out to everyone.
You: ok next is the Treasurer report, which everyone has
Carl Metropolitan: No--if he sends it out to everyone--the script will send the money to the "Owner"
Carl Metropolitan: Of the item
Carl Metropolitan: We could use a more sophisticates script
Carl Metropolitan: That was hard-coded to just send money to the FFRC
Kat Lemieux: We have one for our museum tipjar
Kat Lemieux: I can ask the scripter if I can give it to this group, too.
Carl Metropolitan: That woudl be great
You: Oh. Ok then. I'd suggest IMing FFRCAccounting Control and sending him a landmark for wherever it is if you want to go. o great idea Kat
Carl Metropolitan: The person the money needs to go to is FFRCAccounting Control
Kat Lemieux: The way ours works, it sends donations to a specified alt account.
Kat Lemieux: '
Carl Metropolitan: That's what we need
You: Hello Gilberto
Carl Metropolitan: FFRCAccounting Control is FFRC's funding alt
You: We are chatlogging comments for the meeting if you are here for it
You: ok. so the next item would be the Development Committee Report.
Erik Pasternak: k folks, if the box office discussion is over, I have to go, confilct in schedule *s*
Nebulosus Severine: tc, erik
Erik Pasternak: I'll drop the 1500L to accounting
You: There has not yet been much to do for the development committee, but there soon will be. The Development Committee needs to be focused on a post DI future and look at raising funds from interested parties.
You: I'm thinking a social among the estate owners may be in order to raise funds.
You: kk ciao for now then.
You: ty Erik
Smuk Zaftig: cu rkik
Erik Pasternak: bye all
Smuk Zaftig: Erik
Kat Lemieux: ciao
Patch Lamington: night
You: At any rate: we need to get some means of contributions solicitation up and running. One thought I had
You: and I did suggest it through the published channels
You: was to suggest through [email]proposal@lindenlab.com[/email] or whatever it is
Paradise Popinjay: Thanks for having me! I'll catch you on the flipside.
Katt Kongo: Bye everyone
Nebulosus Severine: tc, paradise
You: about what to do to incent content developers
Nebulosus Severine: tc, katt
You: would be to give the FFRC 10kL per week
You: to fund 5 worthy events every week.
You: If others want to likewise suggest such a thing to Linden Labs (remember they are now freeing up thousands they used to give out in developer's incentives)
You: I think it would be a good idea.
You: I also suggested that they consider giving us access to a Linden Liaison who might be interested in the foundation's work.
Smuk Zaftig: is that plausible? to think that LL will fhelp fund? i was under the impression they were toatly done with that
You: they are totally done with funding camping chairs and naked contests.
Nebulosus Severine: lol
You: i think they may be interested in funding rich content still.
Carl Metropolitan: I'd rather steer clear of depending on Linden Labs funding. They seem a bit capricious to depend on.
Aliasi Stonebender: but funding an organization that "filters" what gets funded that might be interested in, true.
Nebulosus Severine: yeah
You: yes. well that's the beauty of this kind of funding
Aliasi Stonebender: and... whups.. I got to run.
You: it is project funding. they can withdraw at any time
Nebulosus Severine: tc, aliasi
You: and we would still stay afloat
Carl Metropolitan: It doesn't hurt to ask--and a liason would be nearly as valuable
You: we are just the conduit.
You: mhm. I agree Carl.
You: so folks consider going through that link that let folks know about the DI phase out to submit your proposals
Kat Lemieux: Sure, the worst they can say is no
You: whatever they may be. (damn smileys)
You: totally, Kat.
Nebulosus Severine: hi, mac
You: Any other Development news (other than Erik's announcement of contribution?) Oh btw another Development note:
Maczter Oddfellow: hiya
Alisa Honey: i can talk to a few linden friends and see what they have to say if u want
Maczter Oddfellow: sorry i'm late
You: Carl (sounds great Alisa. and Welcome Maczter)
Smuk Zaftig: maybe we can get all the memebrs to sign showing support
You: Maczter, please note that comments in the chatlog are published in the forum.
Maczter Oddfellow: yes. i'm aware. thanks.
You: sounds good smuk. maybe like a petition. Anyone want to post a petition in the forums maybe?
Nebulosus Severine: hi dagny
Smuk Zaftig: yeha thats what i was thinking. if i was better with words id jump on it
You: yeah. i know maczter. just gotta do that to satisfy the TOS
Maczter Oddfellow nods
You: Hey Dagny. Please note that we chatlog comments of the meeting for forum publication
Dagny Hemingway: Hi everyone - sorry also to be late.
Zonax Delorean: hi Dagny
Dagny Hemingway: ty Persehphone.
You: Anyone else interested in posting a petition in the forums to get the FFRC funded? I am kinda gonna be swamped with what I have already agreed to do this week.
Jefferson Psaltery: hi everyone
Nebulosus Severine: hi jefferson
You: Hi Jefferson
Alisa Honey: im not good at writing stuff liek that
You: Please note that commentary in the meeting is chatlogged for forum publication.
Nebulosus Severine: i'm pretty swamped myself actually
You: ok. if it can wait till next week I'll do it maybe. but in the meantime, if folks want to send their suggestions through the officially sanctioned route: the proposal(s) email addy
You: i think it is [email]proposal@lindenlab.com[/email]
You: but it might be [email]proposals@lindenlab.com[/email]
You: either way you can access it through www.secondlife.com/forums
Nebulosus Severine: right
You: and looking in the announcement section
You: ok i guess then unless anyone else has development announcements or questions
You: we go on to set the time for the next meeting. any other comments or additions to the agenda?
Nebulosus Severine: nope, not me
You: We are Changing and preserving SL with only 1 hour per week peoples! Amazing eh? (well 1 hour plus 1 hour's homework. not bad. hehe)
Smuk Zaftig: absolutely!
Nebulosus Severine: hehe
Kat Lemieux: Yep!
Carl Metropolitan: Don't forget money
You: Ok then! I declare us met for this week. Oh and if you have money to give, send it to FFRCAccounting Control
You: (let's not forget that, Carl) hehe
Zonax Delorean: thanks Persephone
Zonax Delorean: you're doing a wonderful job!
You: Very well then! Next meeting at 1pm as usual. Anyone with Agenda ideas or Applications, send them to me. Cheers Zonax and thank you.
Smuk Zaftig: indeed! thank you Perpephone!
You: I will be posting today's chat and next week's meeting so will be AFKish.
Kat Lemieux: OK! THanks Persephone1
Nebulosus Severine: i may not be at next week's meeting, i have a wedding to attend
Carl Metropolitan: Cool
Carl Metropolitan: I have to run.
You: ok Nebulosus. Have fun and save travels
Nebulosus Severine: so, see you all soon

You: Kyrri and Jaret, we are over here. I'll put the call out to members
Erik Pasternak: persephone, get any response off the M2 story?
You: People saw it for sure so that's good. but no, not yet too much.
You: I'm expecting we will see a cumulative effect. the M2 was our first seed opportunity.
Erik Pasternak: right
You: Hello Smuk
Erik Pasternak: well, as soon as thethread gets started in the forums I'm going to get the ball started with increasing the prize money
Smuk Zaftig: Hello! thank you
Dagny Hemingway: Good afternoon, everyone :0
You: Awesome! we want to finalize the rules today if we can and then start fundraising through February.
Erik Pasternak: cool
You: I'm hoping to kick off the fundraising with an event at the spa
You: but I would love to see several fundraising events through February to make the prize really noteworthy.
You: ok I'll start passing out the agenda for anyone who didn't get one. Erik did you get one?
Carl Metropolitan shouts: The Foundation for Rich Content meeting is outside!
Jaret Mission: ty
You: Hello Patroklus
Erik Pasternak: yes, sry I did
Carl Metropolitan: I need one.
Patroklus Murakami: hi persephone, carl, all
Phoebe Hatfield shouts: trying to get there
Smuk Zaftig: i need one please
Erik Pasternak: pers, I'll be having my grand opening soon, I'll do some fundraising at that
You: awesome erik.
Lenin Camus: I can put up a donation box at the SPSL's Black History Month Museum.
Phoebe Hatfield shouts: I'm still in the same place I was
You shout: Gah Sorry Phoebe. We're just outside in the ring here.
Casey Benton: I'mton a particularly slow laptop on a wireless connection, so can I make a short announcement before we begin?
You: sure Casey go for it.
Phoebe Hatfield: wheee
You: hello Phoebe
Casey Benton: I can't even walk properly, here. Sheesh!
Phoebe Hatfield: hi everyone, hi pers
Casey Benton: Okay, I just wanted to saw that if no one's heard of it, I have a convention center in Pumacity that is available rent-free for events.
You: hello. anyone else need an agenda for today's meeting? also be aware that all comments after the meeting starts will be chatlogged and published.
Carl Metropolitan: Yes--I need an agenda
Casey Benton: So, next time someone says they don't have space for an event, point them to us.
Patroklus Murakami: got one thx p
Dagny Hemingway: I would like an agenda, please.
You: Great Casey. You know I am thinking it would be a good idea for us to maybe publish a list of free places for events.
Dagny Hemingway: Thanks, Casey
Casey Benton: http://www.pumacity.com is the website with calendar and such.
Casey Benton: Alright, just throwing it out there. Hopefully the next meeting I'll be on a decent connection.
Phoebe Hatfield: Kyrri I like your jeans
You: anyone else need an agenda copy?
Casey Benton: Alright, have fun, all of you.
Kyrri Perse: ty
Phoebe Hatfield: hmmmm interesting group
You: Anyone else need an agenda, and is everyone ok with having comments chatlogged?
Phoebe Hatfield: that's fine
Patroklus Murakami: no, and yes!
You: yes it is an interesting amalgalm that results from this common cause
Ness Coffee: yes
Phoebe Hatfield: we can talk in IM if we have a problem with it
Dagny Hemingway: No problem
Phoebe Hatfield: How long has this group been around?
Carl Metropolitan: About five months
Phoebe Hatfield: oh wow
Carl Metropolitan: But we have only been actively funding stuff for about two and a half months
Phoebe Hatfield: ahhh
You: Yeah, with any foundation or organization it is important to do the ground work first of creating some kind of system for doing the work
You: That's what happened to our first 2.5 months: fundraising and systems creation. heh
Phoebe Hatfield: ahhh
You: ok so i guess we get going on applications. we had a couple last time, but I haven't received any this week
You: and nor, to my knowledge has Gabe. Anyone else bringing an application for consideration this week?
Persephone Phoenix looks around
Patroklus Murakami: i'm not aware of any
You: ok then. sounds like we might move on to the next item.
Carl Metropolitan: I'm begining to wonder if Rich Content is something people like to complain about--but don't want to actually get up off their asses and provide.
You: (those interested in applying will notice applications right there under the item in the agenda)
You: hehe interesting theory carl. I think the last few weeks have brought us some applications from ongoing providers of rich content
Phoebe Hatfield: I don't really have the time or talent to offer too much
You: but i'd be willing to bet we see quite a bit more coming over the next few months. Rich content is rarer than overall content, though to be sure.
Kyrri Perse: I am here to find out hpow to apply, hihi
Carl Metropolitan: Ignore me--I'm in a bitter and cynical mood today
Phoebe Hatfield: most content is afk dance clubs, sex, and tringo
Phoebe Hatfield: there's a reason I don't log onto SL much anymore
You: great kyrri. for that just look at the application form included in the agenda. did you get an agenda, Kyrri?
Erik Pasternak: that will change
Patroklus Murakami: i think it'll take a while to build it up
Kyrri Perse: sure
Persephone Phoenix agrees with Erik
You: Once DI goes away it will change significantly
Erik Pasternak: yep
Phoebe Hatfield: DI?
Patroklus Murakami: *nods
Carl Metropolitan: Developers Incentive
Kyrri Perse: w2hats that? DI?
You: and, if Dwell also goes away, it will change even more. yes DI was the developer's incentive
Patroklus Murakami: and dwell, payment for ppl bein on ur land
Phoebe Hatfield: Dwell is stupid
Carl Metropolitan: Payments in cash to the highest ranked (in terms of traffic) landowners
You: and that is explained in greater detail in the last chatlog also included in the agenda.
Carl Metropolitan: Why is dwell stupid? If you didn't have dwell, you would have to pay for most every event out there.
You: Anyway, if noone disagrees, I'd like to move on to the Box office contest
Carl Metropolitan: Which would really suck for people on a basic account.
You: (theoretical discussions will maybe be better served outside of the meeting? sorry...)
Phoebe Hatfield: Dwell means every event is the same blah dance contest with 80% afk people
Phoebe Hatfield: I have given up on fidning events worth going to
You: i can only post 3,000 words in the forum so I wanna conserve my editing time if I can. lol
Lenin Camus: I couldn't afford to do my events without dwell
Erik Pasternak: Idon't know if we need to debate this here, again, today, there's plenty of debate about it in the forums
Smuk Zaftig: exactly
Carl Metropolitan: Okay--I will take if offline
Phoebe Hatfield: sorry
You: yeah. please folks, let's move on coz there are heated and varied opinions on the topic. hehe
You: np. everyone is entitled to his or her opinion.
You: ok on to box office tho. When dwell goes away, those places that currently support rich content will need a means of making up that content through solicited funds.
You: THUS: the box office contest. also this is a chance to widely benefit SL as a whole
Ness Coffee: Perhaps put a series of donation boxes accross the world asking for donations for Rish Content events, advertising for those RC events as well
You: The Metaverse Messenger did a great article for us to let people know what is coming down the line with this initiative
You: yes. great idea Ness. Perhaps we can make the tipjar a notecard giver as well that lets people know about upcoming rich content events or ongoing rich content in SL.
Erik Pasternak: ness, there is an FFRC tip jar you can put on your own land, IM ffrc accounting ctrl to request one
You: We talked about the FFRC tip jar last week and Carl made one for us in a jiffy.
Smuk Zaftig: awesome! that is great
You: thanks Erik. that's right. I still have to IM him too. hehe
Carl Metropolitan: Don't tip this
Ness Coffee: Well, perhaps something more interesting than a tip jar, Perhaps the donation device should be RC in itself
Carl Metropolitan: It has to be set out by FFRCAccounting Control
Phoebe Hatfield: here's a thought
Phoebe Hatfield: exploit people's ego
You: Great idea Ness. we'd surely be open to fundraising efforts. Maybe we could include the tip jar as an ongoing agenda item as well.
Phoebe Hatfield: any time you see a top 10 ranking somewhere
Phoebe Hatfield: there's always fierce competition to be on the list and number one
Phoebe Hatfield: I've always wondered if you would be able to get people to donate by catering to their competitiveness
You: gah. stupid smilies. I have to edit those out later.
You: if folks are tempted to smile (and i'm the worst offender) please use *s* hehe
Smuk Zaftig: lol
Phoebe Hatfield: like... man I have to outdo them, trying to donate more than me ha
You: Well it would be a good idea to maybe list the fundraising events we had in February and show money earned maybe?
Phoebe Hatfield: I think so
Smuk Zaftig: absolutely
Erik Pasternak: I agree
Phoebe Hatfield: give them something to donate for
You: We currently reward contributors who contribute 5000 or more by putting them on the sponsor's sign that is placed at funded events.
Phoebe Hatfield: like it sounds like a good idea but I think people want to see where their money is going to
You: with each additional 1000 donated garnering another texture file in the sign i think (is that how we do it Carl?)
Phoebe Hatfield: I mean the charity sounds like a good idea
Phoebe Hatfield: forgot to say that
Carl Metropolitan: I think so.
Phoebe Hatfield: ohhh ok
Carl Metropolitan: Though that means I need to take my sign out
You: ah. hehe. yeah Phoebe, I am thinking you'd be a great member of the development committee! lol
Phoebe Hatfield: lol
You: for anyone who wants to join the FFRC, it is free to join through find. We'd love to have you aboard.
Phoebe Hatfield: I don't think I'd have the time to do that
Phoebe Hatfield: but thanks
You: see the problem is that we do have lots of awesome ideas coming to us but a finite number of volunteer hours in which to do them.
Phoebe Hatfield: but it's nice to be able to help out with suggestions and stuff
You: currently I spend about 4 hours a week on FFRC stuff and I have to cap it at that if i am also going to continue to actually provide rich content at my venue. lol
Phoebe Hatfield: hehehe
Phoebe Hatfield: my offline life takes up most of my attention
Kyrri Perse: what sore of volunteer work involved?
Kyrri Perse: sort
You: Ok so if everyone could please take a moment to look at Box OFfice Contest Rules that would rock
Erik Pasternak: don't beleive I have that pers
You: well one thing that would be great is if we could get a secretary to do the simple work of the chatlog and posting it in the forums.
Erik Pasternak: nm, duh
You: also we will need people to go to events and help publicize those funded events by posting a snap in the gallery.
You: Ideally committee members would be willing to donate 1 hour a week to the FFRC outside of meeting time. 1 hour to change SL for the better isn't too much, we hope.
Erik Pasternak: pers, in the near future I'll have some time to volunteer, but forthe next few weeks I'm up to my ears in getting my business started, but I will do
Phoebe Hatfield: hehehe I don't even log into SL for an hour a week
Phoebe Hatfield: that's the problem
You: so for example if I am on the PR committee and an application has been funded, I might volunteer to go to the event or rich content build or whatever, take a few snapshots, and post them in the gallery section of the forums.
You: ahh. I hear ya Phoebe. *s* ty for contributing to the discussion tho.
You: so if folks look in your agendas you will see box office contest rules
You: please look over those and tell me if we should make any amendments before posting in the forums?
Phoebe Hatfield: I bet I've been missing out on a lot of stipend
Patroklus Murakami: silly comment form me, make clear it's L$ not US!
Patroklus Murakami: otherwise it reads really well
You: my homework last week was to come up with an outline for procedures for the contest. M2 also provided us a press opportunity so I wrote an impromptu press release running it through a couple of online members before sending it off. good point Patroklus
You: Other members offered to check with scripters and see about availability for this project
Erik Pasternak: I mentioned it to a couple ofthem I know
You: I'm hoping to distribute the rules among all scripters who are members of scripting groups or associations in sl as well. I can volunteer to do that if you folks like.
Erik Pasternak: they are beginning worrk on it
You: great Erik! *resists smiley*
Smuk Zaftig: the contest rules look terrific
You: Lenin did you get an agenda?
Erik Pasternak: they look good to me
Lenin Camus: yep
Lenin Camus: thanks
You: there. just in case. ok any other comments or ideas for inclusion other than the clarification of Linden dollars as the prize?
Erik Pasternak: one thing
You: I'll say we should take another 2 minutes to think before moving on. kk Erik?
Erik Pasternak: u mention that the autobounder is not necessaryfor a low budget script
Erik Pasternak: I thinkit's pretty important and shouldbe part of the open source
You: ah. i may want to take that optional language out. good point.
Erik Pasternak: and I think the 3 minutes is too clearly deefined, that should be determined by the event hoster
Erik Pasternak: I might want to let them stay up to ten, or 5
Erik Pasternak: depends
You: Great suggestion.
Smuk Zaftig: should be variable
Erik Pasternak: those are my only thoughts. the rest looks good to me
You: Great suggestions Erik. ty. I'm incorporating them now. any other thoughts folks have on this?
Erik Pasternak: oh, and can wee make it so it splits proceeds? If I want to run it at a rented venue, like pumacity or 4 corners (drift mondes place), i'd like it to be able to split proceeds among two or more people.
Erik Pasternak: but that's apersonal need *s*
You: I am wondering if we can make that included in the evaluative measures, Erik
Erik Pasternak: ok, surely
You: i'd like the winner to be able to add on more bells and whistles and sell it also, but the better the box office the higher it should rank in the evaluation.
You: we'll need to come up with evaluative measures over the next week or two also
Erik Pasternak: ok, sounds good to me
You: Hello Dennis. Great to see you
You: Let me pass you an agenda.
Dennis Albion: hi
Dennis Albion: ty
Dennis Albion: just witnessing great things happen here, dont mind me
Erik Pasternak: dennis, are you planning to compete for the box office script prize?
You: awesome to see ya. we were just going over the suggested box office rules and also box office suggestions.
Dennis Albion: tp'ing anna here
Dennis Albion: dunno yet, its an interesting challenge
Erik Pasternak: well the prize money is going to be $25,000 very soon*s*
You: so far it has been suggested that we clarify that the prize is in Linden, that we make the autobouncer or excluding mechanism mandatory and that we make the 3 minute bounce timing variable and settable by the event host.
You: yay. well i sure hope to see us match the FFRC funds from fundraising within the general community.
You: also suggested was that we consider the value of having the box office split revenues to different hosts running events simultaneously
You: Anything else we should consider revamping?
Smuk Zaftig: imo, thats the job of the individual that would like to enhance the open sourced box office
You: noted, Smuk
You: I agree that that could be a marketable "bell and whistle"for a for-profit version, but then I'm not running simultaneous events. lol
Smuk Zaftig: definately
You: I'd like to see the process go with us fundraising for a month as we define qualitative measures and apply a metrics system to it for measurement
You: then in late February (end of Feb) announce the prize offering widely (advertise?) and set a contest date when prizes would be evaluated.
You: erm not prizes, entries evaluated that is.
Carl Metropolitan has a flashback from last weeks ISO 9001 audit at work and curls up into a fetal ball.
Smuk Zaftig: rofl
You: I'm thinking Mid March (gah poor carl! lol)
You: Mid March for the contest date maybe? on a sunday like today?
Patroklus Murakami: sounds like a sensible time frame
Erik Pasternak: sounds good to me
You: what do you scripters think? is that enough development time?
Smuk Zaftig: indeed, sounds resonable. it can be moved up or back if need be
Erik Pasternak: we chould maybe allow extension requests to be placed and voted on by the ffrc
Erik Pasternak: if a scripter a legit entry, has put weeks into but just needs another week to complete it, we should be able to vote to extend it?
Erik Pasternak: has a legit*
Smuk Zaftig: yeah, what Erik said
Dennis Albion: a working prototype
Erik Pasternak: but is that fair to the people that giot theirs done on time?
You: hmmm. How about if we just say we make it the end of March?
You: I feel good about having a solid time to make it fair for all entrants
Smuk Zaftig: that would be up to a vote to decide. im sure there will be circumstances
Patroklus Murakami: agree with perse
Erik Pasternak: yeah, on 2nd thought, that could get messy
You: also the end of march coincides with when DI is phasing out
Erik Pasternak: ffrc could be accused of showing preferences
Erik Pasternak: seta date and go with it
Erik Pasternak: end of march sounds good
You: end of march could be a good timing for us for press and the Lindens might agree with that as it will maybe take the heat off of them a little bit timing wise.
You: does that make sense to anyone but me? lol
Smuk Zaftig: yes

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Erik Pasternak: any one know if the lindens are aware of this effort?
Patroklus Murakami: i get u!
Erik Pasternak: I agree pers
Smuk Zaftig: you are a logical person Perse, not tough to keep up with you
You: I sent out the press release to the 3 lindens who are officers of the events work group
You: yay. ty smuk. lol. omg I want that on record!
Smuk Zaftig: =P
Dennis Albion: makes sense, time to publicize the effort
You: ok great then. any other suggestions on the rules part or the suggestions part before I put it in the forums?
Erik Pasternak: nope
Smuk Zaftig: looks good
Patroklus Murakami: go for it
Erik Pasternak: soyou're posting it under which sections in the forums?
You: kk. awesome. then let's move on to treasurer report. I think gabe shot me one
You: ahh good question Erik. I am thinking we should cover Scripting, Job Opportunities, Products Wanted
You: and Events probably.
Carl Metropolitan: afk
You: but it would be good if other folks but me put some of the postings in.
Erik Pasternak: , sounds good, isn't there a seperate scrripters forum too? Beyond just the one from the main forum page?
You: that way the threads are less likely to be consolidated. lol
Erik Pasternak: Ic an post some pers
You: not sure, but there are scripters groups. I sent the press release to officers of all the scripters groups in sl justto give them a heads up.
Erik Pasternak: just get me the final version and where you want it
Patroklus Murakami: i volunter to post in 'products wnated'
You: Awesome Erik. I will send you the finalized notecard this week
Erik Pasternak: ok
Dennis Albion: the main scripter group is Scripters of Second Life, its very active
You: Great Patroklus. Erik you wanna specify which forum you want to cover?
Erik Pasternak: job opportunites?
Erik Pasternak: we should have the discussion thread in one place though
Erik Pasternak: and put pointers on the rest
Smuk Zaftig: yes
Patroklus Murakami: good idea
Erik Pasternak: I'dsay the sripting forum for that
You: yeah i think the discussion thread should be in the one that will stay up the longest
Erik Pasternak: I.E your pers
Erik Pasternak: yours*
Erik Pasternak: so you post first, we will crross post and point back to it
Patroklus Murakami: good plan erik
You: Awesome. Ok how about I post first and then alert folks to that posting to cross point. awesome suggestion Erik.
You: So does the last sunday in March work for folks as a contest date?
Erik Pasternak: sounds good to me
Smuk Zaftig: yes
Patroklus Murakami: yup
Erik Pasternak: prolly be aan all day thing I hope anyway
Dennis Albion: yes
Erik Pasternak: start early?
You: Good idea. what is early? I'm on the west coast. hehe
Erik Pasternak: me too
Erik Pasternak: 9:00 AM?
You: If we said 9 (yeah i think we're on the same wavelength, Erik) and then said all entries should be present at the site by then
Erik Pasternak: Ijusthad a scary thought
Erik Pasternak: what if only one or two people respond and we end up with a barely functional script?
You: that could work. Morning is better for european folks for sure.
You: well i would say that if the script is functional and adequate, that gives people an open source basis to work from, but that we should have qualitative measures that the winning entry must meet up to.
Smuk Zaftig: i dont think thatll be the case, if interest isnt shown it is up to us to get people involved no?
Erik Pasternak: ok, just being paranoid I guess, I'm investing a lot, lol
Smuk Zaftig: it will work!!
Patroklus Murakami: we shd have an idea who is goin to submit an entry (and quality) b4 the big day
You: otherwise, we start again and repost and rehost. I do think that we'll get a few entries tho. I feel pretty certain that the prestige of a contest as well as the monetary reward will get us some good entries.
Smuk Zaftig: mmhmm
Dennis Albion: will the script be using land fuctions..? if so, that may require having the device deeded to group land... so that's an issue to consider
You: yeah it would be a good idea to talk it up among people we know. I've been nudging all the scripters I know with questions to get them thinking about it. hehe
Ness Coffee: I'm a professional programmer and consultant in RL; I'd be more than happy to fix up or finish the project if need be.
You: yeah great call Dennis. I added that (fabulous Ness!)
Patroklus Murakami: wow, gr8 offer Ness! *s*
You: I added that to my list of qualitative evaluations.
Erik Pasternak: ness, that's great, youshould also consider your own submission! lol
Smuk Zaftig: will you be entering your own box office Ness?
Ness Coffee: If that is allowed I might.
Erik Pasternak: of coursee it is
Smuk Zaftig: that would be awesome
You: indeed! I also want to generate some discussion in the future about how to honour the winner and other entrants in a non-monetary way, maybe by naming something of the FFRC's after the winner or the box office itself.
Ness Coffee: I have not scripted much in the Linden script, but it looks like a common C or Java format
Ness Coffee: I should be able to pick it up quicly
Erik Pasternak: it's based on C+ ness
You: I don't want to put that in the published rules or whatever coz what if someone made an avie named kissmyass just for the box office? lol
Erik Pasternak: lol
Smuk Zaftig: lol
Patroklus Murakami: lol
Dennis Albion: lol
Erik Pasternak: I'd think that as an open source script, itshould never be used without the scripter's inforrmation written into it
You: so I'd like to chat after the contest is concluded about additional honoraries for the winner. lol
You: I agree Erik.
Erik Pasternak: is there a scripter's hall of fame? lol
You: there should be! and a builder's hall of fame. hehe
You: I guess the scripter's hall of fame equivalent would be the wiki itself maybe.
Erik Pasternak: great idea for riich content right tthere
You: Indeed!
Dennis Albion: I know Hiro's name because of his freebie vendor system, i think naming the device with the scripter's name is awesome public recognition
Erik Pasternak: I agree
Smuk Zaftig: yup
Erik Pasternak: any one know hiro BTW? Is he competing?
You: something like that might be something that we could do with our indoor buld that isn't really being used for much atm.
You: I'd love to see an open to the public bulletin board here for ongoing events as well as some way to honour patrons and other contributors of rich content.
Erik Pasternak: I like that diea too perrs
Erik Pasternak: idea*
You: anyway, i'm off topic now. I don't know Hiro. Is anyone on a first-name basis with him?
You: i mean i know who he is for sure but i don't know him other than arguing with him in the forums (politely tho. lol)
Erik Pasternak: met him once, when I was a newbie, lol
Kyrri Perse: Dont know him but I know CrystalShard
You: Woot! great job kyrri. are you in the group yet?
Erik Pasternak: great kyrrie, can you try and convince him to compete?
Kyrri Perse: yes
Kyrri Perse: Crystal?
Kyrri Perse: I will pass on the info to her
Erik Pasternak: him/her, sry, lol, yes crystal
You: great. I will send out a notecard to all members of the FFRC with the finalized rules so that they can be passed on to folks we think competent to do this job.
Erik Pasternak: thought, any way to tryand convince sscripters to collaborate on it?
You: I heard tale of someone who had a box office out and for sale, but I never was able to find it through find. people may have already built something that could be finagled to work also. never know.
Erik Pasternak: Drift Monde told me the other day she already had one
Erik Pasternak: I'll find out
Erik Pasternak: but it's not open source in any event
You: well I'd say that teams would probably do well to work together for a really great prototype. (awesome Erik. might be short work for her to adjust it and make an open source version maybe!)
You: I'd like qualitative measures to include not only an open source script, but a nifty object that can be modified also.
You: the prototype has to have some THING aspect to it doesn't it? to be put into practice. so I'd say a building / scripting team would probably do best at this.
Erik Pasternak: I'd agree
You: though the build is somewhat less important than the script to be sure.
Erik Pasternak: I just thoughtof anotherr great feature to have, sry opers, lol, how about presale tickets?
You: the functionality of it must be key, but the attractiveness of it (language, build, texture, overall elegance) could be important too.
You: good idea erik! only thing is many events get cancelled at the last minute in sl so they would have to be able to be refunded also. lol
Erik Pasternak: true
You: for example, yesterday I had a mud wrestling tournament that got cancelled due to pollen count in the area of the announcer.
Erik Pasternak: lol
Dagny Hemingway: What about an event at which the box office's are tested. A moveable feast at as many locations as necessary based on # scripts submitted. Box office performance voted on by the attendees
You: he wouldn't be able to speak due to continuous sneezing. lol
You: ahhh interesting idea Dagny. It might work best to do it as a moveable feast as the person may need the land perms all set up and whatnot to make it work.
Erik Pasternak: I'd be happy to provide a testing location and have live music
Dagny Hemingway: And I would be happy to host a location, too.
You: with a single location the box office would absolutely HAVE to be workable on group owned land i would think
Patroklus Murakami: tha's two moer rich content events -gr8!
Dagny Hemingway: Ah. Yes.
Erik Pasternak: we'd weaantt it to be anyway
You: with multiple locations, it might be owner only. should we just require the group owned land thing as a consideration?
Erik Pasternak: I would think so
You: I think it might be less confusing if we have a single location to have it on the FFRC land itself.
You: right here. it is pg and easily accessible.
Dagny Hemingway: As part of the evaluation process?
You: yeah have the box offices all set up in the interior (take everything else out) and do it that way? or is it too small do you think? what do you all think?
Kyrri Perse: I hope will excuse me I have to get to a wedding, I will talk to Crystal About the contest
You: if we had an alternate testing location it would be good to at least temporarily designate that land as ffrc and if it were
You: (sure Kyrri. ty for coming!)
Dagny Hemingway: Don't you have to have the entry tested at the location of the event, too, not just at the box office?
Kyrri Perse: bye all
Erik Pasternak: thanks kyrri
You: yes. have the entry actually tested there. so we would have the land owned by ffrc and ask all entrants to (at least temporarily) join the group to compete perhaps so that they would have land perms
You: or we could create a new group for it. either way.
Erik Pasternak: we have two months to work all that out
You: What do you guys think? moveable feast idea with possibility for owner only land perms? or group land requirement? yeah that is true.
Patroklus Murakami: the group permissions thing is tricky, i cant say i fully understand it, do we need to sort this out now?
You: it'd be good to let folks know in the rules though if there is a group land workability requirement rather than just having that as a performance measure. do we want to make it required?
You: maybe we should put that under preferences or suggestions and then consult with scripters on the feasability of that before we design how the contest itself will happen in terms of event planning.
Erik Pasternak: it shouldn't be that hard to implement I dont't think
Erik Pasternak: ther's plenty of code base out there already for dealing wwith group land issues for radios and such
You: true enough. i also have a security system that allows for group use.
Erik Pasternak: right, so most scrripters have probably already dealt with the issue
Dennis Albion: i have dealt with it
You: awesome. Ok so we will make it (sounds like, correct me if i'm wrong here) a requirement that the box office be functional on group owned land
Erik Pasternak: right
You: and then that will make it easier to have the event also coz we can do it in one locale.
Erik Pasternak: rigght
Patroklus Murakami: or have a group version and individual verson?
Carl Metropolitan: I have to run--have a class to get ready for.
Patroklus Murakami: i've seen items like that on slexchange
You: ok any other thoughts on the box office before we move on in the agenda?
Erik Pasternak: pat, I'm sure if it's group enabled it will work on non group land by default
Patroklus Murakami: k
Dennis Albion: a device that needs to work on group land, needs to be "deeded" to the group, to work, no change of code needed, that's separate from having the device work only for that particular group (i.e. group permissions)
You: Ok. thanks for the clarification, Dennis.
Erik Pasternak: that makes sense
Erik Pasternak: ok, well if we are done with the box office discussion I have to skidaddle, sry
You: great so then if anyone has anything else, you are welcome to IM me. I'll work on the finalized notecard for distribution and have it ready by wednesday
You: thanks for coming by Erik.
Erik Pasternak: thank you, have a good everybody
You: did Gabe pass everyone a report on the finances or just me?
Dagny Hemingway: No thanks, Gabe.
You: I noted that he did post it in the forums as per our plan for monthly postings. that aids our transparency which is good
Patroklus Murakami: saw it on the forums
You: As you can see we have a pretty healthy balance, but need to plan for more applications coming in once the dwell system is changed.
You: we may eventually need to apply qualitative measures to applications in the event that it gets quite competitive. right now that isn't an issue.
Patroklus Murakami: fraid i need to leave too
You: We are formulating development and publicity committees to do some of the fundraising and publicity work through the week (showing up at events and photoging, etc)
Patroklus Murakami: goodbye all
You: kk Patroklus. thanks for coming.
Dennis Albion: fun meeting, very interesting, ty for running it, Persephone
You: I will solicit people to do publicity for last week's application approvals but so far as I know we don't have any new news on those fronts
Dagny Hemingway: Thanks for this, Persehpone. I'll be going, too.
You: cheers. ok then. lol. I guess it looks like no new business and we go on to set next meeting then.
You: next meeting next sunday, same time same bat channel.

Foundation for Rich Content YTD Feb 5, 2006
Cash Flow Statement

Beginning Cash Balance $L0
Cash Inflows (Income):
Donations 79,720
Box Office Donations1 45,500
Sales & Receipts 0
Other: 800

Total Cash Inflows $L126,020
Available Cash Balance $L126,020
Cash Outflows (Expenses):
Funding of Approved Applications 13,000
FFRC Event Funding 0
FFRC Box Office Prize 15,000
SLCC Expense 8,400
Miscellaneous 21
Other 0

Subtotal $L36,421
Other Cash Out Flows:
Refunds 8,000

Subtotal $L8,000
Total Cash Outflows $L44,421
Ending Cash Balance $L81,599

1 Including $L15,000 earmarked for Box Office from FFRC.

Foundation for Rich Content YTD Feb 19, 2006
Cash Flow Statement

Beginning Cash Balance $L0
Cash Inflows (Income):
Donations 105,720
Box Office Donations1 68,221
Sales & Receipts 0
Other: 850

Total Cash Inflows $L174,791
Available Cash Balance $L174,791
Cash Outflows (Expenses):
Funding of Approved Applications 16,600
FFRC Event Funding 0
FFRC Box Office Prize2 15,000
Donated Box Office Prize2 53,221
SLCC Expense 8,400
Miscellaneous 21
Other 0

Subtotal $L93,242
Other Cash Out Flows:
Refunds 8,000

Subtotal $L8,000
Total Cash Outflows $L101,242
Ending Cash Balance $L73,549

1 Including $L15,000 earmarked for Box Office from FFRC.
2 Will be donated to winner of Box Office Contest

FFRC Meeting 2.19.06 - Part 1 of 2

Gabe Lippmann: Persephone is most likely not going to be in attendence today
Gabe Lippmann: and I don't think we have a huge agenda today
Erik Pasternak: ok good, I have company in RL, lol
Boliver Oddfellow is offline
Erik Pasternak: I'm really just interested to see what's going on with the box office script, any primsing projects?
Erik Pasternak: or did LL ubrowse contest kill it
Erik Pasternak: promising
Aliasi Stonebender: It's something I've been meanign to give attention to
Gabe Lippmann: to start
Aliasi Stonebender: but I've been busy with a zillion other things.
Boliver Oddfellow is online
Gabe Lippmann: everyone, I assume, is aware that meeting is chatlogged and posted to forums?
Erik Pasternak: yes
Troy McLuhan: yes
Aliasi Stonebender: ayup.
Gabe Lippmann: haha
Gabe Lippmann: i guess we can get started
Erik Pasternak: hi zen
Gabe Lippmann: welcome, Zen
Zenigma Suntzu: Hi And ok to chatlog.
Zenigma Suntzu accepted your inventory offer.
Gabe Lippmann: ok, real quick on agenda item 2
Gabe Lippmann: Perse has updated the application wording some
Gabe Lippmann: it is substantially the same as before
Zenigma Suntzu: asks about rights for creative works.
Erik Pasternak: good
Gabe Lippmann: welcome Kat
Zenigma Suntzu: Hi Kat
Gabe Lippmann: your chat is being monitored and posted for view
Gabe Lippmann: just like in RL!
Kat Lemieux accepted your inventory offer.
Barbarra Blair: hmm
Kat Lemieux: Hi! Sorry I'm late
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: wheres the meeting?
Lucas Zobel: wondering the same thing
You shout: around to the side
Lucas Zobel: ah
Barbarra Blair: Outdorrs
Barbarra Blair shouts: outdoors
Erik Pasternak: the n ote card that sign gives out, is it the updated one?
Gabe Lippmann: bingo
Barbarra Blair accepted your inventory offer.
Troy McLuhan: We should change the tp landing point to be out here
Gabe Lippmann: i don't think it is
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme accepted your inventory offer.
Lucas Zobel accepted your inventory offer.
Gabe Lippmann: we will have to fix that, unless Carl already did
Erik Pasternak: I didn't think so, looks the same to me
Gabe Lippmann: broken record reminder for people just getting here
Gabe Lippmann: the meeting chat is logged and posted to forums, ok?
Kat Lemieux: ok
Gabe Lippmann: ok, so discussing the brief changes to the funding app
Gabe Lippmann: just the two questions Zen mentioned
Gabe Lippmann: nothing earth shattering
Gabe Lippmann: so unless anyone wants to comment on the application
Gabe Lippmann: we should move to 2.2 the box office agenda item
Gabe Lippmann: so we have the total prize at over $67,000 now
Kat Lemieux: wow!
Gabe Lippmann: exact figure is in the Cash Flow Statement
Carl Metropolitan accepted your inventory offer.
Gabe Lippmann: there was a fund raiser that added another $2721
Gabe Lippmann: and some other donations
Gabe Lippmann: Carl, do you know
Gabe Lippmann: if the sign here has the most updated application?
Erik Pasternak: I just made good on the rest of my pledge, it's 72 now
Carl Metropolitan: It looks right to me.
Gabe Lippmann: perfect
Gabe Lippmann: i know Perse has had some discussions with people on the Box Office contest
Gabe Lippmann: but I don't think it has really geared up yet
Gabe Lippmann: the amount, I would hope, would at least get someone thinking
Erik Pasternak: I'm worried that LL's generous offer of an island and free tier for a year is going to cause programmer's and scripters to scramble to win that instead of this
Gabe Lippmann: that is possible
Zenigma Suntzu: to fix gecko?
Erik Pasternak: to fix their in world browser, if that's gecko
Erik Pasternak: then yes
Zenigma Suntzu: yes
Gabe Lippmann: yes
Aliasi Stonebender: well, true, but on the other hand, it's another class of work.
Zenigma Suntzu: Fixing Gecko is way rocket science, and ... yes what Aliasi said
Erik Pasternak: right
Aliasi Stonebender: A lot of scripters are coders, to be sure, but there's a lot of "middleweight" scripters, like... ah... me.
Gabe Lippmann: haha
Aliasi Stonebender: besides, 67k *is* free tier for a year for me.
Erik Pasternak: lol
Erik Pasternak: 72k
Aliasi Stonebender: ah, yes.
Gabe Lippmann: maybe we should frame it that way in some announcements to put it in perspective
Zenigma Suntzu: I worked on Mozilla, btw... and I'm intimidated by the gecko on a prim thing.
Gabe Lippmann: yeah, i took a good look at that
Erik Pasternak: will be nice when we get it that's for sure
Alynna Vixen is offline
Gabe Lippmann: yes, there are a number of ways to integrate it into what is done in SL
Kat Lemieux: In the meantime, it IS possible to open a web browser to a specific link from within SL -- like with the sign in the middle of the circle here.
Troy McLuhan: Has anyone spoken to LL lately about the box office contest?
Gabe Lippmann: yes, Perse has spoken with Jesse
Zenigma Suntzu: yes Kat, I have seen it done.
Zenigma Suntzu: i'll look for the function call.
Kat Lemieux: It's a one-liner. The script is open in this object
Gabe Lippmann: I don't have the detail on what was discussed and hesitate to paraphrase without Perse to comment
Troy McLuhan: okay
Zenigma Suntzu: (not allowed to view this script)
Kat Lemieux: REally!
Gabe Lippmann: but they are supporting the effort, if only in spirit
Erik Pasternak: in general, are they behind this contest? Are they planning some sort of DI substitute that will make it unneccessary?
Gabe Lippmann: no word on that as of yet
Erik Pasternak: ok
Gabe Lippmann: but I think they want a resident solution
Gabe Lippmann: or at least to see if that can be generated
Erik Pasternak: looks like they'll get several
Gabe Lippmann: before coming up with something new of their own
Erik Pasternak: right
Erik Pasternak: well that's good then
Gabe Lippmann: pure speculation on my part though
Gabe Lippmann: but that is how I read between the lines
Gabe Lippmann: ok, let's move on then?
Erik Pasternak: sure
Gabe Lippmann: i know people have other things to get to today
Gabe Lippmann: so item 3.1, Cash Flow
Gabe Lippmann: we already discussed the Box Office portion
Gabe Lippmann: the rest seems steady, we are pacing funding with new donations
Gabe Lippmann: also, Shelter was funded, which is not on that statement yet
Carl Metropolitan: Will the Shelter be funded on an ongoing basis?
Gabe Lippmann: it was a new application, Carl
Gabe Lippmann: from last week
Zenigma Suntzu: You received the CS funds for the 1st mo sponsorship?
Gabe Lippmann: hmmmm
Gabe Lippmann: who was it paid from do you know?
Zenigma Suntzu: I'll im you.
Carl Metropolitan: Great...
Gabe Lippmann: I think I may have, but not known who the donee was and dumped it into general donations
<b><u>Gabe Lippmann</u></b>Zenigma Suntzu nods.[/color]
Gabe Lippmann: ok, yes, I hadn't had time to track that down
Gabe Lippmann: so yes we got the intial CS funds
Zenigma Suntzu: it could be broken out next time so we can see how much is left etc.
Gabe Lippmann: I will update that to a separate line item
Gabe Lippmann: maybe I'll add a totally separate schedule just detailing the CS portions
Gabe Lippmann: ok, any other finance issues?
Gabe Lippmann: we can move to the City Stages discussion then
Gabe Lippmann: press release
Zenigma Suntzu: perse has (or will) give that to the major in world things like Hamlet Linden and Metaverse Messenger, etc.
Zenigma Suntzu: But please hand it out...
Zenigma Suntzu: I've gotten that people don't understand we can fund non-music events.
Zenigma Suntzu: Even though it makes it clear, you might let people know that.
Gabe Lippmann: well, people tend to skim anything longer than a paragraph or so
Zenigma Suntzu: Also: Torrone Trumbo of Make Magazine has offered to let us use their PG land for events.
Zenigma Suntzu: at no charge.
Gabe Lippmann: that's great
Kat Lemieux: Cool!
Zenigma Suntzu: I'm working with Lizbeth Marlowe, and she'll be kinda coordinating the event schedule there so we don't double book.
Zenigma Suntzu: I'm working with Torrone to get the appropriate perms so she and I can clean up or rearrange.
Gabe Lippmann: good
Zenigma Suntzu: It's a large area.. I'll hunt the LM and drop it on you all.
Aliasi Stonebender: yeah, I've tried to push the FFRC funding at Holoball, but we're on a hiatus while we're building the new sim.
Gabe Lippmann: does this impact agenda item 3.2b regarding space usage by CS?
Barbarra Blair: If you need a smaller place, you could use my meeting hall.
Erik Pasternak: sorry guys but I have to jet, cu next week
Gabe Lippmann: no, prob Erik, thanks
Zenigma Suntzu: no, Gabe, Perse and I discussed that CS could use some office space... to set up a few signs, or whatever.. and to make it here at FFRC building would make our association manifest in a visual way.
Zenigma Suntzu: Bye Erik.
Gabe Lippmann: ok, just clarifying
Zenigma Suntzu: And this is a temporary arrangement.. say, to the end of June.
Gabe Lippmann: sure
Zenigma Suntzu: then I'll fold up tent for another year.
Gabe Lippmann: since I brought it up can we do a quick vote on 3.2b then
Gabe Lippmann: CS would like some space to use here for a minor monthly fee
<b><u>Gabe Lippmann</u></b>Zenigma Suntzu gave you Make Land, Tenera (110, 197, 92).[/color]
Gabe Lippmann: it seems acceptable to me
Kat Lemieux: Second
Gabe Lippmann: any comments
Gabe Lippmann: ?
Troy McLuhan: We already have the sign for
Troy McLuhan: the sailing lessons here
Gabe Lippmann: yes
Troy McLuhan: They don't pay a fee do they?
Gabe Lippmann: I should mention that I have had initial talks with someone that owns a RL record label
Gabe Lippmann: just starting in SL
Gabe Lippmann: and will be a good avenue to live musicians
Zenigma Suntzu: awesome
Gabe Lippmann: ok, i'm calling the CS rental agreement approved unless there are any objections?
Gabe Lippmann: we are moving smoothly today without any applications to consider
Gabe Lippmann: welcome, Hoosier!
Hoosier Poppy: well, hello. Sorry to interrupt
Gabe Lippmann: no problem
Hoosier Poppy: are you holding a class or something
Gabe Lippmann: Zen, is there anything else you would like to discuss in regards to CS at this time?
Hoosier Poppy accepted your inventory offer.
Zenigma Suntzu: I am just delighted that we can work with FFRC and the community to do some fun things... let's get the word out and get some applications in.
Zenigma Suntzu: And let people know that the PG land is available, too. That might help.
Gabe Lippmann: yes
Gabe Lippmann: ok, forgive me if I'm a speed meeting leader
Zenigma Suntzu: suits me
Gabe Lippmann: but on to 3.3a!
Gabe Lippmann: Pear Computers
Kat Lemieux: I visited their shop after last meeting, and bought one
Gabe Lippmann: excellent
Kat Lemieux: It's very cool!
Gabe Lippmann: so it looks like we can easily get some exposure through that service
Kat Lemieux: Yep. It uses BarounNet
Kat Lemieux: Interestingly, anyone can log into a rezzed computer
Gabe Lippmann: really, cool
Kat Lemieux: I found out yesterday that when someone besides the owner logs in, the owner is notified
Gabe Lippmann: so i could leave them sitting around everywhere
Kat Lemieux: Yep
Gabe Lippmann: make use of all my 16 m sq plots
Aliasi Stonebender: hm. I've heard of that, BarounNet... kind of like INfonet, right?
Kat Lemieux:
Kat Lemieux: Yes, Baroun is an FFRC member, too
Gabe Lippmann: beautiful
Kat Lemieux: But he's interested in making info available more quickly and economically than InfoNet does
Gabe Lippmann: anyone have issues with FFRC being listed on this?
Troy McLuhan: no
Gabe Lippmann: I know there were concerns about other outlets previously
Kat Lemieux: Not in the least! I think it would be great publicity
Zenigma Suntzu: Make the info available (not exclusively) anywhere.
Gabe Lippmann: agreed

Foundation for Rich Content YTD Feb 26, 2006
Cash Flow Statement

Beginning Cash Balance $L0

Cash Inflows (Income):
Donations 84,723
Box Office Donations1 75,721
City Stages Donation 21,000
Rental Income 625
Sales & Receipts 0
Other: 900

Total Cash Inflows $L182,969
Available Cash Balance $L182,969

Cash Outflows (Expenses):
Funding of Approved Applications 18,600
City Stages Event Funding 0
FFRC Box Office Prize2 15,000
Donated Box Office Prize2 60,721
SLCC Expense 8,400
Miscellaneous 21
Other 0

Subtotal $L102,742
Other Cash Out Flows:
Refunds 8,000

Subtotal $L8,000
Total Cash Outflows $L110,742

Ending Cash Balance $L72,227


1 Including $L15,000 earmarked for Box Office from FFRC.
2 Will be donated to winner of Box Office Contest (Total $L75,721)

FFRC Meeting 2.26.06 - Part 1 of 2

Gabe Lippmann: ok, Perse is traveling so probably won't make it
Ardentua Nabob: no Wanadoo
Gabe Lippmann: everyone can grab an agenda from the box between mexxa and Zeni
Zonax Delorean: hi
JohnHenry Holiday: I am interested in historical rich content and may only stay until 1:30. Am I welcome here, please?
Zonax Delorean: as ususal, i only can stay a bit before i have to run for my event
Gabe Lippmann: certainly, JohnHenry
Lizbeth Marlowe: Hey Zonax!
Gabe Lippmann: ok the usual
Gabe Lippmann: this meeting is being chatlogging for publication
Gabe Lippmann: is everyone ok with that?
Troy McLuhan: yes
Zonax Delorean: yes
kaia Ennui: yes
Ardentua Nabob: yes, no problems here
JohnHenry Holiday: Surely, sir.
Gabe Lippmann: super
Gabe Lippmann: should be another quick one this week
Lizbeth Marlowe: I'm ok with it.
Maczter Oddfellow: ye
Maczter Oddfellow: +s
Gabe Lippmann: let's jump right to the funding application on the agenda then
Gabe Lippmann: welcom, wcoolcom
Gabe Lippmann: grab an agenda from the box
Gabe Lippmann: to your left
Gabe Lippmann: please take a moment to look over the application
Gabe Lippmann: feel free to jump in with any comments Zonax
Zonax Delorean: oh, i think i wrote all stuff on it
Gabe Lippmann: sure thing
Zonax Delorean: and as mentioned in the end, things went fine so far with the event...
Gabe Lippmann: welcom, Clint
Zonax Delorean: so I can only thank for the support so far...
Clint Turner: hi there
Gabe Lippmann: great, Zonax
Zonax Delorean: the only thing I wish, is the publicity support
Gabe Lippmann: ok
Gabe Lippmann: what do you have in mind
Zonax Delorean: the turnout is nice, but it's always good to reach out to more people, who might be interested
Zonax Delorean: in mind? well, nothing concrete.. but some kind of FFRC-supported events list would be cool
Zonax Delorean: monthly maybe...
Gabe Lippmann: agreed
Gabe Lippmann: we can definitely put stuff on the wiki
Zonax Delorean: this could appear somewhere... maybe in Metaverse messenger? or some place it reaches ppl
Gabe Lippmann: and maybe should add that with the application distribution
Gabe Lippmann: yes, good idea
Zonax Delorean: I have to admit, I didn't think it through, though, i just have a few random idea bits...
kaia Ennui: maybe we need a thread in forums too, other than the main one - a new one under events
Gabe Lippmann: yes, but it is something we should discuss in general for all events
Gabe Lippmann: added support beyond financial
Gabe Lippmann: agreed, kaia
Gabe Lippmann: putting more notice on forums can't hurt
Gabe Lippmann: before we go further with this
Gabe Lippmann: let's vote on the application in front of us
Gabe Lippmann: anyone have any questions?
Lizbeth Marlowe: I second the motion
mexxa Woyseck: I give them my vote
Gabe Lippmann: i am in favor
Zenigma Suntzu: yes
Lizbeth Marlowe: I vote yes!
kaia Ennui: yes
Troy McLuhan: I vote yes
Gabe Lippmann: ah an emphatic yes there
Maczter Oddfellow: yes
Ardentua Nabob: agreed, its a very good idea and anything that encourages members to be creative has to be applauded
Lizbeth Marlowe: (big fan of show and tells)
Ardentua Nabob: so it gets my vote
Gabe Lippmann: right, i think this one is passed
Zonax Delorean: great
Gabe Lippmann: will get you the funding from Control, Zonax
Zonax Delorean: thank you
<b><u>Zonax Delorean</u></b>JohnHenry Holiday beams without interupting[/color]
Gabe Lippmann: ok, let's take a quick look at the financials then
Gabe Lippmann: are keeping pace as usual
Gabe Lippmann: some more significant donations to the Box Office coffer
Gabe Lippmann: looks like a little over $L75,000
kaia Ennui: awesome!
mexxa Woyseck: exuse my nubness but what is the box office?
Lizbeth Marlowe: my scripting friend admitted it was a bit beyond his skillset
Gabe Lippmann: and Zeni, is the added CS portion good for you on the financial statement?
Zonax Delorean: Box office is a script that will help any event host collect fees (tickets)
Zenigma Suntzu: That's great
Zonax Delorean: if he/she wants
Gabe Lippmann: mexxa, we are sponsoring a contest of sorts
mexxa Woyseck: oooh
Gabe Lippmann: with that $L75k as price
Maczter Oddfellow: question
Gabe Lippmann: to come up with some kind of system for pay for content attendance through a virtual box office system
Gabe Lippmann: yes?
Gabe Lippmann: welcom, Neehai
Zenigma Suntzu: Hi Neehai
kaia Ennui: hello
Neehai Zapata: Hiya
Maczter Oddfellow: for those of us who contributed to the prize for the box office contest, what happens if none of the entries meet our satisifaction?
Gabe Lippmann: if there is no successful winner
Maczter Oddfellow: correct
Gabe Lippmann: everyone who donated to box office will be refunded
Maczter Oddfellow: alright
slick McCoy: what's going on?
Gabe Lippmann: howdy, slick
mexxa Woyseck: so we are putting 75l into getting a box office system made?
Maczter Oddfellow: just curious and had n't thought to ask until liz's comment from her scripting friend
Gabe Lippmann: grab an agenda from the box left of mexxa
Gabe Lippmann: and another notice that this is being chatlogged for publication
Gabe Lippmann: yes, mexxa
mexxa Woyseck: thanks for clearing that up
Gabe Lippmann: i will pass you some info after the meeting
JohnHenry Holiday: What is the contest, please, if you don't mind my asking. I have not heard of it.
mexxa Woyseck: ok
Gabe Lippmann: well, the idea is to create some way of being able to charge for events
Gabe Lippmann: for a "ticket" if you will
Gabe Lippmann: as alternative to Developer Incentives, which are phased out
mexxa Woyseck: via land permitts I geuss
Gabe Lippmann: well, the answer is not at hand
Gabe Lippmann: hence the contest
mexxa Woyseck: kk
JohnHenry Holiday: I understand
Gabe Lippmann: and we have Linden support
Gabe Lippmann: if only as a nod to the effort
Gabe Lippmann: but possibly through actual changes to help us get it down
Gabe Lippmann: done
Gabe Lippmann: it is a Holy Grail perhaps
Gabe Lippmann: but it's worth looking into, hence the $L75k
mexxa Woyseck: is the only object to be able to make people pay to get on the land?
<b><u>mexxa Woyseck</u></b>Maczter Oddfellow thinks he might just have to dig into the scripting wikis himself for L$75k[/color]
kaia Ennui: there is a notecard with all the info
mexxa Woyseck: ok
Gabe Lippmann: well, there are some other aspects, but that is the central idea
Gabe Lippmann: since Developer Incentive is phased out
JohnHenry Holiday: Could it not be done easily mannually?
mexxa Woyseck: ye, look at about lans
mexxa Woyseck: *land
mexxa Woyseck: there is a buy pass button...
Gabe Lippmann: yes, kaia, and I don't have it readily available but will get anyone a copy who wants one
kaia Ennui: im looking for it now
Gabe Lippmann: yes, mexxa
Gabe Lippmann: but it incorporates the red bars
Gabe Lippmann: and has been known to confuse people
mexxa Woyseck: oh
Gabe Lippmann: it is something that some of the event holders have expressed interest in
Gabe Lippmann: Perse is really the spearhead on this
Gabe Lippmann: and has a much better handle on how we are moving forward
JohnHenry Holiday: Could not the people buy 'tickets' and the owners then simply write them into the land permissions from the sales records before the events?
Gabe Lippmann: well, we want something a little more automated
Gabe Lippmann: and possible that functions without the actual land owner in attendance
kaia Ennui: Click the Blue Box on the floor for both notecards
Gabe Lippmann: great, ty kaia
Zenigma Suntzu: (afk)
mexxa Woyseck: thanks
kaia Ennui:
Gabe Lippmann: Zeni chooses a perfect moment to afk
Neehai Zapata: It woudl not give me the notecard
Gabe Lippmann: did you ask nicely?
Neehai Zapata: it says I declined it
kaia Ennui: try again
slick McCoy: Looks like a very nice service you guys are running
kaia Ennui: it will pop up two notecards on screen
kaia Ennui: choose keep
Gabe Lippmann: we try, slick
Neehai Zapata: It says i decline both, odd
Gabe Lippmann: people like Zonax and Lizbeth would be better judges of that
Gabe Lippmann: as funding recipients
Zonax Delorean: oh... of what?
kaia Ennui: i dropped them on you now neehai
kaia Ennui: accept
kaia Ennui: lol
Neehai Zapata: thanks much
Gabe Lippmann: of whether we are doing a decent job or not
Zonax Delorean: yes you are
Gabe Lippmann: there ya go then
Gabe Lippmann: haha
Zonax Delorean: well, okay, i always bring up the 'would love also publicity for my event, not just L$'s' though
Zonax Delorean: but i think that'll happen in time
Lizbeth Marlowe: Well, I hve something to add
Lizbeth Marlowe: about the job you do here
Zonax Delorean: so far i'm satisfied by FFRC
Gabe Lippmann: agreed and I think we need to be more active with that
Gabe Lippmann: or active period
Lizbeth Marlowe: I would like to see a few of you drop in at the events you sponsor...just for a minute would be cool
Gabe Lippmann: hit us with it
slick McCoy: I have pretty much just started on what should be a pretty cool little idea so if it actually starts going anywhere I will diffenately remimber you guys
Zonax Delorean: and for any group or foundation, it takes time... and i also have to admit, FFRC is going way better than i would've thought
Lizbeth Marlowe: show your faces so we can publicly thank you
Gabe Lippmann: agreed
Gabe Lippmann: how did your morning event go
Gabe Lippmann: ?
Lizbeth Marlowe: very well
Lizbeth Marlowe: 10 entries today
kaia Ennui: i wouldn't mind if the FFRC is sponsoring an event - if someone IMs the group when event is about to start
Lizbeth Marlowe: pics on snapzilla, and with luck, on sl page too!
kaia Ennui: i can't keep track sometimes, i wouldn't feel spammed and would gladly drop by
Gabe Lippmann: yes, Erik Pasternak had a nice live music event just prior to the meeting
Zenigma Suntzu: http://flickr.com/photos/zenigma
Gabe Lippmann: ok, Zeni
Ardentua Nabob: Does the FFRC offer any guidance on event planning ?
Gabe Lippmann: i think we should talk about CS now
JohnHenry Holiday: I do apologise - I must depart. I shall hope to speak to you sometime of historical rich content.
Gabe Lippmann: we have not but I think would be happy to do so
Gabe Lippmann: Perse has some very nice things going with Marketing instruction
Lizbeth Marlowe: THAT's Where I met her originally
Lizbeth Marlowe: she had the BEST marketing class
Gabe Lippmann: yes and some good notecard material as well
kaia Ennui: ciao johnhenry
Lizbeth Marlowe: Bye Johnhenry
kaia Ennui: hello jefferson
Lizbeth Marlowe: BlitzBuilding pics also here:
Lizbeth Marlowe: http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/Default.aspx?name=Lizbeth%20Marlowe
Jefferson Psaltery: hi!
Gabe Lippmann: great, Lizbeth
Jefferson Psaltery: hey zonax
Gabe Lippmann: Jefferson, the chat here is being logged for publication, you ok with that?
Jefferson Psaltery: didnt see ya!
Jefferson Psaltery: np
Gabe Lippmann: great
Zonax Delorean: hi Jeff
Gabe Lippmann: i think we can jump to City Stages and then open it up again after that
Gabe Lippmann: we have received the first rentals for the space here from CS
mexxa Woyseck: city stages?
Gabe Lippmann: and you can see the specific CS funding denoted in the Cash Flow statement
Gabe Lippmann: haha, welcome back mexxa!
mexxa Woyseck: >_<
Zenigma Suntzu: lemme find that Press Release Mexxa
Lizbeth Marlowe: Woot! Pick of Blitz on the SL Map!

FFRC Meeting 2.26.06 - Part 2 of 2

Gabe Lippmann: thanks Zeni
Gabe Lippmann: i'm buried in notecards
mexxa Woyseck: sorry, I was away for ages :/
Gabe Lippmann: nice, Lizbeth!
Lizbeth Marlowe: ok, sorry, City Stages?
Gabe Lippmann: can you pass the press release around for people Zeni?
Gabe Lippmann: if you find it
mexxa Woyseck: 2006-02-15 19:38:29 note card right?
Zenigma Suntzu: yes FFRC Press RElease
kaia Ennui: i have two notecards on that
LostDog Hugz Sphere - Male Edition whispers: Using hug (type 'hug [name]' or '/1hug [name]' to activate)
LostDog Hugz Sphere - Male Edition whispers: 'partner' is using: Seconday Hug
Gabe Lippmann: there were 2 intial cards and then a press release
Gabe Lippmann: so basically Zeni's organization has been nice enough to provide a stream of funding
Lizbeth Marlowe: thanks Zenigma.
Zenigma Suntzu: The events have to be on PG land...
Gabe Lippmann: which we have agreed to help distribute according to FFRC procedure
Zenigma Suntzu: and I've got permission from Make Magazine to use their 20,000 sqM land for events.
kaia Ennui: nice
Zenigma Suntzu: Lizbeth or I can post events for there.
Gabe Lippmann: right
Gabe Lippmann: and we are gearing up to put that CS funding to use
Gabe Lippmann: so please, y'all, let anyone know that might fall within the CS guidelines
Gabe Lippmann: who might need some funding
Gabe Lippmann: the CS stream offers a slightly higher top funding amount as well
Zenigma Suntzu: We'd like to put together a music event...
Zonax Delorean: oh, sorry, I have to run now... to host my event bye ppl
Gabe Lippmann: capped at $L3,000
mexxa Woyseck: bye
Zenigma Suntzu: but, the events don't have to be music.
Gabe Lippmann: ok thanks Zonax
Zenigma Suntzu: Bye Zonax
kaia Ennui: ciao
Jefferson Psaltery: bye zonax
Gabe Lippmann: so I think Zeni
Gabe Lippmann: that March is the time to really start concentrating on using those funds
Gabe Lippmann: having put out the press release
Zenigma Suntzu: suits me
Gabe Lippmann: and gotten the funding in the coffers
Lizbeth Marlowe: oh good, I'll submit my application then.
Lizbeth Marlowe:
Gabe Lippmann: wonderful
Gabe Lippmann: I think we have run through our mandatory agenda items
Gabe Lippmann: so floor is open to discuss whatever you have concerns/comments on
Gabe Lippmann: unless you have more on CS, Zeni?
slick McCoy: I will when my ideas are more concrete, will have to find someone to script once I get more ideas
Zenigma Suntzu: I'd like to talk to Perse about her thoughts on the kickoff concert.
Gabe Lippmann: great, slick
Maczter Oddfellow: do you have a location yet, zen?
Lizbeth Marlowe: I have a question...
Zenigma Suntzu: Lizbeth had some ideas, too.
Gabe Lippmann: yes, Liz?
Zenigma Suntzu: Maczter, no location has been set.
Zenigma Suntzu: but the date is probably mid to late march at this point.
Lizbeth Marlowe: to add to Zen, I am looking for new musicians...I like to help new folks get a start in here
Maczter Oddfellow: alright
Zenigma Suntzu: so other funded events might come first.
Neehai Zapata: I have a general question on event sponsorship.
Gabe Lippmann: we should start putting out the location as soon as we can
Gabe Lippmann: get people interested
Lizbeth Marlowe: be nice if we had a box office by then.
Lizbeth Marlowe:
Gabe Lippmann: yes, it would
Lizbeth Marlowe: ok, my question is:
Jefferson Psaltery: sorry guys, have to log, catcha laters
mexxa Woyseck: i have an idae for a box office
Lizbeth Marlowe: is the sponsorship per event or per person?
Gabe Lippmann: ok, thank you JEfferson
mexxa Woyseck: per event I think
Gabe Lippmann: ah, you mean per musician say vs per music event?
Lizbeth Marlowe: no
kaia Ennui: ?
I mean: (via Lizbeth Marlowe) Joe smith has a show and tell event, and he also has a snail racing event, and he has an artshow, and a concert
Zenigma Suntzu: we might be willing to make an exception of the cap for this one special event.
Zenigma Suntzu: oh
Gabe Lippmann: one application per event
Lizbeth Marlowe: per event, not per person. Ok
Gabe Lippmann: right, but understanding that if we are deluged with applications
Lizbeth Marlowe: well yeah...
Gabe Lippmann: the second app for the same person would be lower on the agenda
Lizbeth Marlowe: Makes sense to me.
Lizbeth Marlowe: thanks
Neehai Zapata: Has the idea of including a "Funding for this event provided by FFRC" taglinein the event description been tossed around?
Lizbeth Marlowe: oh yeah!
Zenigma Suntzu: That is in the CS proposal.
Gabe Lippmann: yes, but iwe have not been consistent with the application of that concept
Lizbeth Marlowe: and I forgot to do that and to do the signage....this week was on me then
Neehai Zapata: I think branding FFRC so that people begin to equate a certain level fo quality with FFRC events might be good.
Gabe Lippmann: we will require it for the CS events for sure
Gabe Lippmann: agreed, Neehai
Lizbeth Marlowe: I think for FFRC too Gabe.
Gabe Lippmann: no, we have not been great at getting it done and ensuring hosts are doing it
Gabe Lippmann: it is certainly a concern
mexxa Woyseck: maybe the lindens can help us with that one
Gabe Lippmann: when we had so few funded events it wasn't a problem
Lizbeth Marlowe: OH I did remember to credit FFRC, just forgot the sign in world
Gabe Lippmann: we want our money back then
Lizbeth Marlowe: I'm sorry
Lizbeth Marlowe: like I said, this week is on me.
kaia Ennui: haha
mexxa Woyseck: I tihnk gabe was joking
Gabe Lippmann: seriously, no worries
Lizbeth Marlowe: you were in the event listing tho!
Gabe Lippmann: i think it would be appropriate to consider putting one or two people as event checkers
Neehai Zapata: I had another idea/question as well.
Lizbeth Marlowe: I moved the event and the sign is on my land...not make land
Gabe Lippmann: to be in charge of that
Gabe Lippmann: yes, Neehai?
Neehai Zapata: Has the idea of an FFRC partnerhip program been brought up.
Neehai Zapata: Basically this, I am sure there are people with great ideas for events who lack the technical skill to implement.
Neehai Zapata: Just as there are technical people who with the right idea could create something spectacular.
Neehai Zapata: having a program to bring these people together could be nice.
Gabe Lippmann: agreed
Neehai Zapata: With rewards for each appropriately.
Gabe Lippmann: interesting
mexxa Woyseck: I have to agree that'd be good
Neehai Zapata: Just a thought and something that could promote both community building and higher quality content.
<b><u>Neehai Zapata</u></b>Maczter Oddfellow nods[/color]
Gabe Lippmann: yes
Maczter Oddfellow: that's how i work in the real world
Gabe Lippmann: could be added to the notecard info
Gabe Lippmann: maybe create a pool of the two
Gabe Lippmann: they could put there ideas on the wiki
Maczter Oddfellow: the guys that can program stuff rarely have the eye to make them look good and have good usability
Gabe Lippmann: and people could job match according to skillset
Lizbeth Marlowe: oooh a job board for sl
Gabe Lippmann: right
Gabe Lippmann: excellent concept Neeehai
Gabe Lippmann: i'll try to put together some ideas for the next meeting to discuss for implementation
Gabe Lippmann: Ok all
Gabe Lippmann: unless there are pressing matters
Gabe Lippmann: i think we can wrap this up
Gabe Lippmann: lots to think about
Gabe Lippmann: any last comments?
mexxa Woyseck: bye?
Maczter Oddfellow: see everyone next week
Gabe Lippmann: haha, nice mexxa
Gabe Lippmann: good to see you
Zenigma Suntzu: ty Gabe
Lizbeth Marlowe: bye!
Gabe Lippmann: same bat time, same bat channel
Gabe Lippmann: and all that
Maczter Oddfellow: yep
Gabe Lippmann: great and if anyone has anything mid week IM me or Perse
mexxa Woyseck: just outa curiosity
mexxa Woyseck: do we have acess to a server?
Gabe Lippmann: NO WAY
Gabe Lippmann: for?
mexxa Woyseck: looking at the wiki
mexxa Woyseck: you can have scripts acess php pages
Gabe Lippmann: right
mexxa Woyseck: would be easier to have a mysql database of people who ahve paid for events than anything else
Gabe Lippmann: right, consider it thought about
Gabe Lippmann: haha
mexxa Woyseck: or
mexxa Woyseck: you could just start a group for the event
mexxa Woyseck: they pay to join the group
Gabe Lippmann: right
mexxa Woyseck: and you make an object that only lets group members on the land
kaia Ennui: many many are grouped out
mexxa Woyseck: ?
kaia Ennui: there is a limit
mexxa Woyseck: oh
Maczter Oddfellow: max of 15 groups
kaia Ennui: if you are a vendor and have stores set up
kaia Ennui: you have a lot of mandatory groups
mexxa Woyseck: ye
kaia Ennui: i am usually at the max
Maczter Oddfellow: ditto
mexxa Woyseck: btw if you got in touch with the guy who made that adverse lotto thing he'd know how to do it via objects
mexxa Woyseck: cause his vendor then checks your item to see if it is a winning ticket
mexxa Woyseck: and plenty of people have items that limit land access
kaia Ennui: sure
Mug of Dark Heineken whispers: CHEERS!
kaia Ennui: i'm sure some excellent scripters will be contributing
kaia Ennui: glad the prize is substantial
mexxa Woyseck: hell I might try scripting for 75k!
Zenigma Suntzu: Gabe, can we get the land owner to return that LOL object on the roof?
Gabe Lippmann: yeah hold on
mexxa Woyseck: any-one here got a good bike script for over the physics limit in prims?
Maczter Oddfellow: i already IM'd him
Maczter Oddfellow: he's not here
Zenigma Suntzu: ok

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Great job on the chatlogs, Gabe! I hope to see folks on Sunday (I'll be there for sure this time). I was interviewing and on the road for 2 weekends in a row, thus my absence. It'll be good to see everyone. Also, a notice to all those who are interested:

TONIGHT (Friday 8pm SL time)
FFRC FUNDRAISER FOR THE BOX OFFICE INITIATIVE
@ PHOENIX SPA RESORT

DJ Cirga Control will play swing music at a formal ball at our new ballroom. Put on your fancy duds and come on by! The resort and the Pleasure Chest will be passing out prizes throughout the evening to all who donate to the cause. See you soon, one way or another! =D

FFRC Chatlog March 5 - Part 1 of 4

Troy McLuhan: Perse, is there a way to add something to the agenda?
Persephone Phoenix: ahh sure!
Maczter Oddfellow: note to self: turn draw distance back down from 512m before tp'ing down from the building platform :)
Persephone Phoenix: anyone else wanna send me applications or anything?
Persephone Phoenix: I'm not seeing applications yet for this week's meeting
Persephone Phoenix: the agenda's almost done. what would you like to add Troy?
Troy McLuhan: I'd like to discuss another way to reward creators of rich content
Persephone Phoenix: ok. sounds good. I'll add that
Persephone Phoenix: anything else folks want to add?
Persephone Phoenix: ok then i'll start passing out agendas.
Bagofants Poutine accepted your inventory offer.
Bagofants Poutine accepted your inventory offer.
Erik Pasternak accepted your inventory offer.
Casey Benton accepted your inventory offer.
Gabe Lippmann accepted your inventory offer.
kaia Ennui accepted your inventory offer.
Troy McLuhan accepted your inventory offer.
Persephone Phoenix: hey there kaia. good to see you. :-)
kaia Ennui: hi Pers :)
Kat Lemieux accepted your inventory offer.
Maczter Oddfellow accepted your inventory offer.
kaia Ennui: oops i used a smiley
Persephone Phoenix: ok everyone have an agenda? Zen is in San Diego so we may need to discuss the city stages opening event next week.
Gabe Lippmann: Perse we should probably mention the Metaverse awards voting thing too
Persephone Phoenix: haha np.
Persephone Phoenix: ahhhhh ok! let's add that to the agenda then too. under publicity?
Gabe Lippmann: sure, i don't really know anything about it but it's worth mentioning
Persephone Phoenix: actually i'll add it as 4.3 under discussion. :-)
Neehai Zapata accepted your inventory offer.
Persephone Phoenix: ok then is everyone ok being chatlogged?
Troy McLuhan: yes
kaia Ennui: yup
Casey Benton: Yep.
Erik Pasternak: yes
Gabe Lippmann: yes
Kat Lemieux: ok with me
<b>Kat Lemieux</b>Maczter Oddfellow nods[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: also great job on the chatlog last time Gabe. looks great!
Persephone Phoenix: i like the colourizing of the entries.
Persephone Phoenix: that is on the forum.
Gabe Lippmann: I used the thing on Ulrika's web page
Persephone Phoenix: ahhh that's nifty. i'll have to check it out.
Gabe Lippmann: it splits it for you into postable sized entries
Gabe Lippmann: ah, brb
Persephone Phoenix: ok then let's go on to the next item
Persephone Phoenix: kk gabe. i really like the way it is easier to read with the various colours. i may try to do the chatlogs with it from now on.
Kat Lemieux: Hi Carl
Carl Metropolitan: Hi
kaia Ennui: hi carl and dolmere
Persephone Phoenix: Yay, Carl. :-)
Persephone Phoenix: hello Dolmere.
Dolmere Talamasca: Hello folks
kaia Ennui: great avie!
Persephone Phoenix: gah darn smiley. hehe
Kat Lemieux: Hi Dolmere
Kat Lemieux accepted your inventory offer.
Carl Metropolitan accepted your inventory offer.
Persephone Phoenix: ok let's go to Troy's idea. what would you like to say about rewarding rich content makers, Troy?
Persephone Phoenix: (2.1 on your agenda)
Persephone Phoenix: WB Gabe.
kaia Ennui: wb gabe
Troy McLuhan: A few months ago, we had discussed giving awards
Troy McLuhan: at an awards ceremony or the like
Persephone Phoenix: *nods*
Troy McLuhan: What is the status of that?
Persephone Phoenix: ahhhh kewl. those are the awards Gabe was talking about
Erik Pasternak: what is the date of the box office contest?
Carl Metropolitan: That looks great.
Persephone Phoenix: umm well the status of that troy was that we decided to put it on the back burner once the DI thing was annoucned
Persephone Phoenix: in favour of doing the box office script contest
Persephone Phoenix: but it sounds like the MM awards might kinda fill that bill.
Persephone Phoenix: does everyone see the object that Gabe just rezzed there?
Carl Metropolitan: I love it.
kaia Ennui: yes
Erik Pasternak: thta has nothing to do with M2 correct?
Erik Pasternak: that*
Gabe Lippmann: I don't know who is doing that
Persephone Phoenix: oh we got an award?
Persephone Phoenix: wow that's so kewl. hehe
Gabe Lippmann: i just got it dropped on my the other day
kaia Ennui: nominated
<b>kaia Ennui</b>Persephone Phoenix looks it over[/color]
Carl Metropolitan: "Metaverse" is a term from Neil Stephenson's "Snowcrash".
Persephone Phoenix: ahhh ok i see.
Carl Metropolitan: It describes a virtual world that has some similarities to Second Life
Persephone Phoenix: so this isn't the messenger. that's nifty
Maczter Oddfellow: reading it now
Carl Metropolitan: It's been used by a number of in-world institutions as a way of referencing SL, without using LL trademarks
Maczter Oddfellow: nice
Persephone Phoenix: gah i hate how view works. heh i keep zooming out
Erik Pasternak: understood carl, I was just calrifying because this has been referred to twice in this discussion as the "MM Awards", just wanted claification as to whether it has anything to do with Metaverse messenger, commonly abbreviated, MM or M2,
Erik Pasternak: doesn't appear that it does
Carl Metropolitan: I know I missed a meeting or two--but have you all decided how to do the nomination process?
Kat Lemieux: So who is behind this nomination/award?
Persephone Phoenix: yeah i can't figure that out either.
Persephone Phoenix: i really like the graphic.
Gabe Lippmann: Phaylen Fairchild
Gabe Lippmann: ?
Persephone Phoenix: hmm. interesting.
Gabe Lippmann: something was in forums I think
Carl Metropolitan: So this is not the awards we were going to run?
Gabe Lippmann: no
Gabe Lippmann: totally separate
Persephone Phoenix: sorry back to your question Carl, did you mean the nominations for awards or for the box office contest?
Gabe Lippmann: i wonder who nominated us since we seem to all be clueless
Carl Metropolitan: I was confused
Maczter Oddfellow: wow. phaylen's been around since the dark ages....Born on 12/31/2002
Persephone Phoenix: haha me too. :-) sorry.
Carl Metropolitan: I thought Gabe was showing a mock-up for the FFRC awards we had discussed
Persephone Phoenix: well that's pretty neat since i didn't know about it at all. kewl.
Carl Metropolitan: Never mind.
Gabe Lippmann: i thought someone else might know
Persephone Phoenix: the awards thing we had discussed was put on the back burner until after the Box Office initiative is done.
kaia Ennui: we are about to make this a landmark and notecard giver
Persephone Phoenix: But we should bring that back to the agenda next month if you folks like.
Persephone Phoenix: The Box Office Contest will be March 26 in the SL morning
Persephone Phoenix: i think it is 9-noon
Persephone Phoenix: and we'll be looking for anyone in the group who can to come and judge the entries.
Persephone Phoenix: the more the merrier. I'd also like to get a few of the big events hosters like maybe Nethermind if she's available.
Erik Pasternak: I'll be there
Persephone Phoenix: or whomever else might benefit from the box office. yay sounds good erik. :-)
Kat Lemieux: I"ll try to be there
kaia Ennui: me too
Carl Metropolitan: I will try too
Persephone Phoenix: I'm thinking we should have an evaluation card on measures of successful performance for judges to use maybe.
Persephone Phoenix: I'd be willing to work on that with any committee members who are interested.
Kat Lemieux: THat sounds like a good idea, something objective
Persephone Phoenix: or we can just do that here in the meeting. maybe bring suggestions for that next time?
Erik Pasternak: well at the very least the ctiteria needs to be clearly defined, maybe a ratings system in several categories
Persephone Phoenix: exactly. sounds good Erik.
Persephone Phoenix: Maybe I'll bring a sample for that next time and we can work on it then?
Gabe Lippmann: sounds good
Erik Pasternak: well can we throw some catgory ideas out there now?
Gabe Lippmann: sure thing
Gabe Lippmann: GO!
Erik Pasternak: ease of use
Erik Pasternak: degree of customization
Erik Pasternak: useability
Erik Pasternak: something about how "friendly" it is as a bouncer
Kat Lemieux: Aesthetic/design qualities
Erik Pasternak: to the bouncee, lol
Persephone Phoenix: yeah for sure.
Erik Pasternak: amount of lag it induces
Zenigma Suntzu: ooh
Persephone Phoenix: maybe one for overall experience?
Maczter Oddfellow: hiya zen
Carl Metropolitan: Yes--it should be usable and configurable for someone who has no scripting knowledge
Persephone Phoenix: yes exactly.
Zenigma Suntzu: Hi everyone.
Kat Lemieux: Hi Zen!
Erik Pasternak: how do we measure lag?
Persephone Phoenix: oh and how versatile it is in terms of handling group land etc?
Gabe Lippmann: Howdy, Zen
Erik Pasternak: yeah group funcionality
Persephone Phoenix: well the lag thing i think would not be a measure of success but a requirement for the winner.
Carl Metropolitan: Rented Land Functionality, too
Persephone Phoenix: I suggest that the winner, once chose, show one member familiar with scripting the script to ensure it isn't lag causing or pernicious
Persephone Phoenix: just in case some joker makes an awesome box office entry with a boobytrap built in or something.
Persephone Phoenix: then, once it is judged "clean" so to speak, the announcement would be made
Erik Pasternak: well it's supposed to open source correct? everyone can see the script?
Persephone Phoenix: yes but it is open source AFTER it wins.
Erik Pasternak: ahhh
kaia Ennui: I made a Landmark giver to the MVA in Zoe where you can vote and awards will be held
Persephone Phoenix: the entries won't all be open source to start.
Kat Lemieux: We need to clarify the license required for the winning entry
Persephone Phoenix: that'd be good but kinda unfair to those who don't win i think. it'd be good to give them the chance to sell their box office scripts on the open market if they don't win.
Kat Lemieux: "open source" is different from "public domain" etc.
Persephone Phoenix: oh yies that's right.
Persephone Phoenix: yes we had said that we wanted open source awhile back as it gave the scripter who wins the assurance
Persephone Phoenix: that his or her work won't be sold unmodified
Kat Lemieux: There's a discussion about that in the wiki resulting from a meeting Zen and I had
Erik Pasternak: did your chat with zen posted wn your wiki clear this issue up for us katt?
Persephone Phoenix: kewl. I will check it out. did you guys come up with formal licensing language?
Gabe Lippmann: it's a good discussion, Kat
Zenigma Suntzu: Well, it might be sold unmodified, but that would have negative social consequences for the seller.
Gabe Lippmann: i've sent people to look at it
Kat Lemieux: It was more or less suggestions, since we can't make the decision fo rhte group
Kat Lemieux: But we recommended using a Creative Commons "by attribution" license
Erik Pasternak: yeah I read, thought it summed up the issue neatly
Zenigma Suntzu: Yes, it's effectively the same as PD, but requires an acknowledgement of the original author and the contest.
Erik Pasternak: maybe we should have a viote then pers to finalize that?
Persephone Phoenix: great. Yes let's do that.
Persephone Phoenix: I vote in favour of adopting the recommendations of Kat and Zen. anyone else say Aye or nay or yes or no or whatever.
Erik Pasternak: yay
Zenigma Suntzu: Also in the scripting contest literature, we should make it clear derivative works are cool.
Kat Lemieux: yea
Zenigma Suntzu: YES
Gabe Lippmann: in favor
Maczter Oddfellow: aye
kaia Ennui: aye
Troy McLuhan: yes, CC attribution only
Gabe Lippmann: i have had good feedback regarding that from non-FFRC people
kaia Ennui: cool
Persephone Phoenix: great. I'm wondering if we might vote on another issue too: can we put 1k aside from general coffers to make ads for the contest in classifieds and newspapers?
Gabe Lippmann: i vote for that
kaia Ennui: ill donate the 1K
Zenigma Suntzu: Is that all?
Persephone Phoenix: i think we had discussed paid advertising for it before, but it'd be good to firm that up.
Persephone Phoenix: 1k goes a long way for ads in world.
Erik Pasternak: I vote yes
Zenigma Suntzu: YES, then
Gabe Lippmann: let's vote firm on the $1k
Kat Lemieux: in favor
Maczter Oddfellow: aye
Persephone Phoenix: Awesome, Kaia. :-)
Gabe Lippmann: then we can see what else we might need
Gabe Lippmann: or want
kaia Ennui: done.
Persephone Phoenix: great. someone want to make the ad?
Erik Pasternak: looks like donations to up the prize kinda stalled out huh?
kaia Ennui: when do you need it by?
Persephone Phoenix: I'd be happy to work on the text part if someone wants to do the visuals.
Persephone Phoenix: umm i'm thinking maybe next sunday?
Gabe Lippmann: well, we have been creeping up
Gabe Lippmann: Erik
Persephone Phoenix: yeah we're up past 80,000 now
kaia Ennui: ok drop me the text and i should be able to get it done by sunday
Persephone Phoenix: that's pretty good. we raised more than 6k at friday's fundraiser
Zenigma Suntzu: ok my avatar is wandering off.
kaia Ennui: *waves bye

FFRC Chatlog March 5 - Part 3 of 4

kaia Ennui: since they are doing shorter set?
Persephone Phoenix: or maybe it should be 15k? I think we were looking at several performers with shorter sets.
Zenigma Suntzu: While we're on this, I'd like to throw out that I'm working on getting perms to build a replica Coca-Cola stage just like the one we use at City Stages.
Gabe Lippmann: awesome
Zenigma Suntzu: Before we deploy such a thing we'll have an email in hand saying it's ok.
kaia Ennui: Slim Girl Fat performed at Club Akasha and it wasn't close to 4K and she is really good
Persephone Phoenix: so if it were 4 performers with half hour sets, maybe they would each get 1or 2k and the organizer would get the remainder of the funding? or however many.
Zenigma Suntzu: Who can spearhead this effort?
Persephone Phoenix: good to hear kaia. :-)
Erik Pasternak: I can do it Zen
Gabe Lippmann: is this something Lizbeth wants to lead?
Zenigma Suntzu: She might like an involvement.
Erik Pasternak: I'd be happy to work with Liz on it
Gabe Lippmann: ok, then Erik can you get Lizbeth in with you?
Gabe Lippmann: thanks
Persephone Phoenix: that's exactly why I'd like to put it out to bid because I wonder if someone who is volunteering could take it on entirely?
Persephone Phoenix: ahhh ok. maybe then.
Zenigma Suntzu: Here she comes.
Persephone Phoenix: what do you guys think? should the organizer be paid? and should we set an amount for increased funds for it?
Persephone Phoenix: awesome.
Erik Pasternak: I don't need to get paid, I'll just do it
Persephone Phoenix: I'm thinking the organizers should be stipended since it will be a significant amount of work to set up.
Erik Pasternak: hi liz
Gabe Lippmann: Welcom, HW Lizbeth Marlowe!
Persephone Phoenix: you rule, Erik and Hi Lizbeth. good to see ya.
Lizbeth Marlowe: hi everyone...lagggggg
Persephone Phoenix: heh.
kaia Ennui: hello
<b>kaia Ennui</b>Zenigma Suntzu smiles at Lizbeth.[/color]
Gabe Lippmann: give it a second
Persephone Phoenix: So how about this: maybe we let lizbeth and erik organize it and just set them a budget to do with as they need?
Persephone Phoenix: maybe also we should establish how many performers we'd like to see there too?
Gabe Lippmann: budget including payment of artists?
Persephone Phoenix: totally.
Gabe Lippmann: ok
Persephone Phoenix: budget including payment of artists, advertising, etc?
Erik Pasternak: I'm pretty familiar with those that are on the list or "represented" artists you spoke of earlier, I can make sure you get the most bang for your buck
Zenigma Suntzu: I'd like to see a 2 to 3 hour concert, perhaps.
Persephone Phoenix: rock on.
Gabe Lippmann: super
Persephone Phoenix: What do you folks think of a budget set at 15k? would that be enough?
Erik Pasternak: what's the date and time?
Maczter Oddfellow: I've offered Club Arena as a venue at no cost to some individuals, but would like to go on record with the offer.
kaia Ennui: yay ty mac
Erik Pasternak: 15k is enough, and I can kick down some too
Erik Pasternak: if need be
Zenigma Suntzu: awesome.
Persephone Phoenix: awesome, Maczter. sounds great Erik.
Lizbeth Marlowe: erik, let's you and chat a bit after this so I can get my bearings ok?
Erik Pasternak: 3 hours, 5 artists, 3k each
Maczter Oddfellow: :)
Erik Pasternak: sure liz
Zenigma Suntzu: nice
Maczter Oddfellow: oops
kaia Ennui: save some for advertising
Persephone Phoenix: so if we make that subcommitte Liz and Erik working with Zen, that should work right? yeah maybe 2.5 per artist?
Zenigma Suntzu: If possible, I'd like to see it on a replica Coke stage, like I mentioned.
Zenigma Suntzu: to see this...
Persephone Phoenix: could Zen build the coke stage at your place, maczter?
Lizbeth Marlowe: who's gonna build it?
Maczter Oddfellow: certainly
Zenigma Suntzu: http://flickr.com/photos/zenigma/
Zenigma Suntzu: I think it's up to me to see it built.
Gabe Lippmann: if we need to up the ante, we will just have to come back here and go over that
Erik Pasternak: is coke an official sponsor?
Zenigma Suntzu: Coca-Cola is an official sponsor of City Stages.
Persephone Phoenix: it is of city stages, right?
Erik Pasternak: oh ok
Zenigma Suntzu: Our marketing director would get their nod.
Persephone Phoenix: is that ok with folks?
Zenigma Suntzu: or else we'll go with our own logo only.
Gabe Lippmann: yup
Troy McLuhan: Maybe you should make sure it is okay with Coca-Cola
Persephone Phoenix: me too. any other discussion before we vote?
Zenigma Suntzu: That's what I'm talking about Troy...
Kat Lemieux: ok with me if Coke likes it
Zenigma Suntzu: that CS marketing director will run it by coke first.
Gabe Lippmann: Coke is It!
Maczter Oddfellow: Zen, so this isn't built yet?
Zenigma Suntzu: It would be unique and cool.
Troy McLuhan: Okay, good.
Zenigma Suntzu: No it's not built.
kaia Ennui: impressive stage Zen
Maczter Oddfellow: ok
Zenigma Suntzu: See the picture :)
Zenigma Suntzu: it could be reminiscent of that.
kaia Ennui: cool
Maczter Oddfellow: you have more pics avaiable? differnet angles, by chance?
Maczter Oddfellow: different*
Zenigma Suntzu: I do have a couple more. I'll see if I can put them up.
Persephone Phoenix: kk. so then, let's vote to (or not) dedicate 15k to the concert and let it be organized by Liz and Erik. All those in favour?
Zenigma Suntzu: Aye
Maczter Oddfellow: alright
Gabe Lippmann: yes
Persephone Phoenix: aye
Lizbeth Marlowe: oooh maczter...are you thinking of helping the build?
kaia Ennui: yes
Erik Pasternak: aye
Troy McLuhan: yes
Zenigma Suntzu: If coke doesn't want it, we have Miller Light, too :)
Kat Lemieux: aye
Lizbeth Marlowe abstains as she's still not clear what's happening. :)
Persephone Phoenix: great. ok i think we are ready to move on?
Persephone Phoenix: ahh lizbeth you were nominated in absence (see? we're evil. lol)
Erik Pasternak: u just gor drafted that's what's happening liz
Maczter Oddfellow: possibly, though some incentives would be needed there, as that will take significantly more time than just changing streams and rearranging furniture at the club.
Lizbeth Marlowe: s'ok, Zen got me involved already, HE'S the sneaky one
<b>Lizbeth Marlowe</b>Zenigma Suntzu smiles sweetly.[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: to co-coordinate with Erik the opening concert for the city stages stream.
Persephone Phoenix: when did you want to see that happen, roughly, Zen?
Zenigma Suntzu: Late march? Early april?
Zenigma Suntzu: what's reasonable.
Persephone Phoenix: how about early april?
Zenigma Suntzu: k
<b>Zenigma Suntzu</b>Maczter Oddfellow nods[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: we've got the box office thing March 26 so early april would give us a chance to focus on publicity for the concert maybe?
Troy McLuhan: Yes, that's what I was thinking too
Erik Pasternak: ok, city stages stream I missed something I guess, what is the grand opening for exactly? Does someone have a note card for me?
Kat Lemieux: And maybe use the box office thing for this concert?
Zenigma Suntzu: When she says City Stages stream, she means funds that came from CS.
Erik Pasternak: ok
Zenigma Suntzu: which FFRC is now holding around 21000
Persephone Phoenix: basically, Erik, city stages is donating lots of cash (stream)
<b>Persephone Phoenix</b>Lizbeth Marlowe gave you FFRC Funding Application - LM - Blitz Building- 03/06.[/color]
Erik Pasternak: ok, thought she meant audio stream, as in radio station
Erik Pasternak: lol
Zenigma Suntzu: As opposed to the later possibility that we'll stream directly from CS opening night.
Persephone Phoenix: heh sorry. no that's fundertalk. hehe
<b>Persephone Phoenix</b>Persephone Phoenix did nonprofit fundraising irl[/color]
Erik Pasternak: ok, now if you want to use the box office for the show, that makes it much easier to get the top names with less of an upfront fee
Erik Pasternak: as they would get a cut of the door so to speak
Persephone Phoenix: we could do that, if city stages would be ok with us charging a small admission fee.
Persephone Phoenix: like $10L per person maybe?
Lizbeth Marlowe: this is all assuming the Box office with be completed?
Persephone Phoenix: OR we could just let performers put tip jars out.
Zenigma Suntzu: will we need to hld this somewhere that supports more than 40 avies?
Lizbeth Marlowe: absolutely!
Persephone Phoenix: yeah it should be. oh good point.
Erik Pasternak: that won't do you much good,
Persephone Phoenix: Maczter, is your land on an island or on multiple sims?
Erik Pasternak: even a hundred avies at 10l a head isn't going to generate enough revenue to add much income for the artists
Erik Pasternak: so we'll just go back to plan a then
Zenigma Suntzu: maybe plan A plus tip jar.
Lizbeth Marlowe: with tip jars Erik
Persephone Phoenix: ok, and maybe let musicians put out a tip jar totally
<b>Persephone Phoenix</b>Persephone Phoenix agrees.[/color]
Lizbeth Marlowe: lol
Maczter Oddfellow: club arena is at a sim border and i'm on good terms with my neighbors. might be able to get them to let us use some of their land so we could hold 80 people.
kaia Ennui: we have that other FFRC land also if Mac's isn't enough room to support it
kaia Ennui: ah that would be cool mac
Erik Pasternak: there's always clover
Erik Pasternak: 160 peeps
Gabe Lippmann: yup
Persephone Phoenix: that could work maybe. yeah clover is awesome.
Zenigma Suntzu: we could have multiple locations, but that's not as good.
Zenigma Suntzu: Is Clover mature?
Erik Pasternak: but clover has abuild on it already
Persephone Phoenix: I wonder if they would donate clover for the evening? that would be amazing. oh but that's right it is mature and has a build.
Persephone Phoenix: so that won't really work.
Erik Pasternak: oh and I think it is mature yes
Persephone Phoenix: anyone know someone with a pg island?
Zenigma Suntzu: The build, we might could work with signage.
Gabe Lippmann: not off hand
Gabe Lippmann: something to look into
<b>Gabe Lippmann</b>Maczter Oddfellow thinks a pg island is highly unlikely, but a good idea[/color]
Persephone Phoenix: keep us informed about that tho maczter coz your place may be the best scenario available if you can use the neighbouring sim.
Zenigma Suntzu: but PG is just about a requirement.
Persephone Phoenix: yep.
Gabe Lippmann: brb
kaia Ennui: i have to run but before i go
Maczter Oddfellow: alright. unfortunately, i just remembered the neighboring sim is mature
Persephone Phoenix: ok then, anything else to talk about atm re city stages?
Persephone Phoenix: ahhh shoot, Maczter. ok we'll brainstorm more maybe about location
kaia Ennui: Perse if you can get me text for ad by say tuesday i ll have it done for sundays meeting
Persephone Phoenix: sure thing kaia. thanks!
Maczter Oddfellow: alright
Gabe Lippmann: .
kaia Ennui: and everyone interested in voting for Meteverse Awards
kaia Ennui: please click this lil box i made for landmark to zoe
kaia Ennui: can i leave that here?
Persephone Phoenix: you rule kaia. sounds good.
Gabe Lippmann: sure
kaia Ennui: ok
kaia Ennui: aww ty perse
<b>kaia Ennui</b>An object named Object owned by kaia Ennui gave you THE 2006 MVA EPICENTER, Zoe (111, 72, 37).[/color]
kaia Ennui: ok take care all, see u next week
Persephone Phoenix: bye. see ya.
Gabe Lippmann: bye bye
Lizbeth Marlowe: Bye kaia
Persephone Phoenix: ok then i guess it looks like we've talked about everything on the agenda as far as I can tell.
Erik Pasternak: k I have to run too, liz and I will chat later tonigt hopefully
Persephone Phoenix: anything else we wanna bring up?
Lizbeth Marlowe: I think that's do able Erik
Erik Pasternak: kk, bye all!
Lizbeth Marlowe: I have a question...
Persephone Phoenix: k?
Maczter Oddfellow: bye erik
Lizbeth Marlowe: how were the Metaverse awards publicized?
Lizbeth Marlowe: I remember talk about them at a meeting, but never saw anything else...did we get a decent turn out of nominations and voters?
Maczter Oddfellow: /invalid_link.html
Lizbeth Marlowe: bleh forums
Maczter Oddfellow: heheh
Lizbeth Marlowe: gotta advertise INWORLD folks
Persephone Phoenix: ah well those are 2 different things lizbeth.
Persephone Phoenix: we talked about having our own awards ceremony but we put that on the back burner
Persephone Phoenix: and then metaverse put theirs out there which is awesome.
Maczter Oddfellow: she may have advertisied inworld too
Lizbeth Marlowe: so this is a joint effort between FFRC and Metadverse?
Maczter Oddfellow: that's just what i found on the forums
Persephone Phoenix: it seemed to me at the time that we needed to focus on something that would help the community more widely, thus the box office initiative (and why we put the awards thing we had planned on the back burner)
Maczter Oddfellow: advertised*
Persephone Phoenix: no we were nominated!
Gabe Lippmann: oh, no
Gabe Lippmann: right
Persephone Phoenix: I was confused too.
Lizbeth Marlowe: oh.
Gabe Lippmann: separate entity is doing some kind of awards
Persephone Phoenix: but we were one of the groups nominated to receive an award, which is kinda odd but kewl.
Gabe Lippmann: we got a nomination
Lizbeth Marlowe: please ignore the ignoramus in on the top row
FFRC Chatlog March 5 - Part 4 of 4

Maczter Oddfellow: this is cool...
Maczter Oddfellow: Congratulations to the nominees, who at the least had over 30+ nominations from their peers to earn their place on the board.
Maczter Oddfellow: from Phaylen's post on the forum
Persephone Phoenix: haha not at all lizbeth. i had the same confusion and wondered until i read it more closely.
Maczter Oddfellow: so FFRC received at least 30 nominations
Lizbeth Marlowe: well I thought it was a sample
Persephone Phoenix: wow that's awesome! so people are aware of us at some level. and that's great.
Lizbeth Marlowe: well, I mentioned the FFRC this morning.
Lizbeth Marlowe: :)
<b>Lizbeth Marlowe</b>Maczter Oddfellow nods[/color]
Maczter Oddfellow: Gabe, can we leave the nomination card out but maybe back by the building for people who drop by?
Lizbeth Marlowe: guess I need to go vote then. :)
Gabe Lippmann: sure
Maczter Oddfellow: kinda cool
Maczter Oddfellow: we all need to go vote!
Persephone Phoenix: ok so any other convo before we wrap up the meeting?
<b>Persephone Phoenix</b>Maczter Oddfellow smiles[/color]
Lizbeth Marlowe: I have a comment
Gabe Lippmann: i got nothin'
Persephone Phoenix: great lizbeth (who submitted an app for next week. yay)
Lizbeth Marlowe: I want to thank the FFRC for being here. Since I've joined, I've met some truly great people and my event has grown to almost more than I can handle. :)
Lizbeth Marlowe: thanks!
Zenigma Suntzu: yay
Zenigma Suntzu: :)
Kat Lemieux: woot!
Gabe Lippmann: That's great to hear
Troy McLuhan: Wonderful
Maczter Oddfellow: thanks for having a great event too!
Persephone Phoenix: Awesome! good to hear that. it's a great idea for an event.
Lizbeth Marlowe: Thanks Maczter, sorry bout this morning and moving your plat and all
Maczter Oddfellow: though i'm still holding out for an evening blitz build so i can play when my brain is firing on all cylinders
Lizbeth Marlowe: Friday
Lizbeth Marlowe: 9pm
Persephone Phoenix: :-D
Maczter Oddfellow: awesome :)
Maczter Oddfellow: this the first week?
Maczter Oddfellow: for the night event?
Persephone Phoenix: ok folks, i guess this is a wrap then. lemme know if you have agenda items for the next meeting
Gabe Lippmann: great
Troy McLuhan: Okay, see everyone next week
Maczter Oddfellow: adios
Gabe Lippmann: thanks everyone

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oh and yay! someone's suggestion that I disable smilies through forum tools worked! we can smile whenever we like now. woot!

Hi folks. I was hoping to format this with Ulrika's awesome tool, but I couldn't get onto the site (anyone else had problems with that?) anyway, here's what we did today.

You: mkay we've got lots to talk about
You: Any additions to the agenda folks want to put out there?
Gabe Lippmann: Hi, Kat
Kat Lemieux: Hi Gabe
Kat Lemieux accepted your inventory offer.
You: Hello Kat. great to see you.
Kat Lemieux: Hi Perse! Thanks, you 2
You: Any agenda additions?
You: Everyone agree to be chatlogged for the forums? (yes)
Gabe Lippmann: yes
Troy McLuhan: yes
Kat Lemieux: yep
Sam Dannunzio: yes
Kerhop Seattle: yes
Lenin Camus: Yes.
You: yay. ok on to funding applications then.
You: I'd like to propose that we consider the first one as a City Stages application but that we look at pre-approving FFRC funds for it if City Stages doesn't pick it up.
You: the difference is that if they get funded through the city stages money they get 3k instead of 2k.
You: Since it is on PG Land, that meets that requirement.
Gabe Lippmann: Yup
Kat Lemieux: Sounds reasonable to me, I so move
You: I really love this app, I confess. I love gardens. :-)
Gabe Lippmann: It sounded good
kaia Ennui accepted your inventory offer.
Kat Lemieux: Me, too. Wonder if they'd include container gardens?
You: Hi Kaia. Good to see you.
kaia Ennui: hello everyone
Troy McLuhan: I think they are talking about 25m by 25m gardens
Kat Lemieux: I haven't had a chance to read it in detail yet.
You: pretty nice size plots
kaia Ennui: yes to the chatlog question if you have already asked
You: ty Kaia.
You: Anyone want to have more discussion about the Garden show app?
Carl Metropolitan: No--I love it
Gabe Lippmann: I vote for it
kaia Ennui: i missed it, but i'm sure its fine
Carl Metropolitan: I want to look her up and donate to prizes!
kaia Ennui: count me in
You: K. Let's pre approve 2k then and if City Stages picks it up, it'll be 3k?
Kat Lemieux: aye
You: (yes)
Gabe Lippmann: what is the process for that
Gabe Lippmann: ?
You: just have to get zen's ok.
Gabe Lippmann: you just move it to Zeni now
Gabe Lippmann: ok
You: then we fund it as usual, but with the additional 1k
Gabe Lippmann: cool
You: oh I need to talk to Zen about the sponsor's sign too. will do that also before we fund from that stream. we were gonna consolidate the sign with his a bit.
You: ok so it sounds like the Garden Show App was approved. as you can see we have a few apps today
You: We'll get Zen's OK and then notify Lauk once that happens?
Gabe Lippmann: ok
You: next is LM's Blitz Building application.
Kat Lemieux: We funded this before, and it went well, right?
Carl Metropolitan: Only one comment: The game that she hold Mondays at NCI is on PG land, not Mature land. No difference in the application, I just wanted to point that out. I vote "Yes" BTW--Blitz Building is a neat game.
You: This one could be another candidate for City Stages funding. Again on PG land.
You: yeah this went really well before and got good gallery pics.
Kerhop Seattle: Agreed
Kat Lemieux: I vote for funding it again
Gabe Lippmann: I vote for it
You: kk. Should we field this one by Zen for City Stages consideration also?
kaia Ennui: it sounds cool and we have the funds, so i vote yes
You: Hello, Grim.
Gabe Lippmann: I suppose we should
Grim Wormser: hi
kaia Ennui: hello Grim
You: Grim we're chatlogging the meeting today for the forums. do you agree to be chatlogged?
Grim Wormser: yeah
Grim Wormser accepted your inventory offer.
You: awesome. there's today's agenda.
Kat Lemieux: Part of the time it's on mature land, so that would eliminate it from CS funding wouldn't it?
You: Ok so it sounds like,.... ahhh Kat I hadn't read it that way. Let me read it more closely
Gabe Lippmann: The Fri mature is not at NCI right?
You: ahhh ok. i see.
Carl Metropolitan: No--Monday is at NCI (PG Land)
Gabe Lippmann: a separate M area?
Gabe Lippmann: ok, so then it has one M day i think
Carl Metropolitan: She has three a week--on different land each time
You: Well Let's just say regular FFRC funding then?
Gabe Lippmann: ok, Perse
You: Everyone good with that then? 2k grant level.
Kerhop Seattle: could approve funding for PG, and pre-approve additional funding if the M one moves to PG
Kat Lemieux: That sounds good Kerhop
Carl Metropolitan: Does City Stage require PG land or _their_ PG land?
You: just pg land.
Gabe Lippmann: yes, any PG
Lenin Camus: Sory, gotta go early guys. See you next week.
Carl Metropolitan: She's okay for two out of three then
Gabe Lippmann: ok, Lenin, nice to see ya
kaia Ennui: ciao lenin
Kat Lemieux: Maybe next time they could request funding just for the days it's on PG land?
You: How about we approve it for FFRC funds and then let Lizbeth know that if she has an all pg event next time we'll slate it for City Stages viewing?
Troy McLuhan: We have sufficient funds, right?
Carl Metropolitan: Well--with eight events on PG land a month, that's still a lot of events
Carl Metropolitan: Well worth 2000L support
You: yeah funds are pretty good. and you are right Carl.
Gabe Lippmann: ok, so $L2k funding for this application, then?
Carl Metropolitan: Yes
Kat Lemieux: In a case like this with multiple events under one umbrella, could they request funding for each individually?
You: I say yes, regular FFRC funds but with app guidance next time to apply for the PG and mature separately maybe?
Kat Lemieux: Maybe at a lower rate for each...
Gabe Lippmann: sure
You: does that sound like what you were thinking, Kat?
Kat Lemieux: Yes, makes sense to me.
You: k. everyone agreed? (yes)
Carl Metropolitan: Approve 1000L each for the two PG events.
kaia Ennui: yes
Gabe Lippmann: yes
Troy McLuhan: yes
Kat Lemieux: yes
You: the thing is, it doesn't matter to the FFRC if it is PG or not, but City Stages, which will fund another 1k, needs PG and we aren't in the position to approve for them.
You: for that process, we need to show Zen who is authorized to approve.
You: so we'll advise Lizbeth to split up the venue apps for next time maybe. :-)
Kat Lemieux: Good plan
Gabe Lippmann: yes
You: k. next App!
You: building shelter app is not the same as the payment podium.
Gabe Lippmann: sounds good and supporting events at The Shelter is always a good thing
You: It's kind of similar to Liz's Blitz Building, but geared to new players.
You: has a different core participant group due to the place it is held.
Kat Lemieux: Sounds good to me, esp. the part encouraging scripting
Carl Metropolitan: It also has a different "feel" to it.
Carl Metropolitan: I've played.
kaia Ennui: it is similar but still sounds like fun thing for residents to be a part of
kaia Ennui: i vote yes
You: yeah? was it fun, Carl?
Persephone Phoenix votes yes too
Carl Metropolitan: Yes it was, and I vote "Yes"
Gabe Lippmann: i vote yes
You: this is for regular FFRC funds since it is on mature land.
Troy McLuhan: I vote yes also
Kat Lemieux: yes, too
You: For newcomers here today, you can join the FFRC and vote also any time. The group is free and open to any resident of SL.
You: If you look us up in find you will see our charter and what we're about. If you dig it, Join up! *s*
You: Ok sounds like the Building Shelter is approved. On to the other app for the shelter.
Carl Metropolitan: For Payment Podium
Carl Metropolitan: SL's longest running game show.
Gabe Lippmann: It's great fun
Kat Lemieux: This looks like it used the old questionaire, before we added the question about PG or Mature
kaia Ennui: i'm not seeing this one on agenda... am i looking inwrong place?
Kat Lemieux: But we know it's on Mature land, right? So it needs to be FFRC funds.
Kat Lemieux: It's the 4th one, Troy
kaia Ennui: nm im insane
You: yeah. the other two (oh it is on the agenda, kaia under the build... good you found it)
Carl Metropolitan: Shelter is on Mature Land, but it runs as a PG environment.
You: the other two questions are for CS and that doesn't apply really since they are on mature land.
Carl Metropolitan: Enforced by the manatgment.
You: yeah. City Stages is firm that it has to be pg land tho.
Gabe Lippmann: so be it, i vote yes for the $L2k funding
You: But I think we're good to go on this one with the four questions answered since it can't be considered for CS.
Carl Metropolitan: I vote yes
kaia Ennui: yes
Persephone Phoenix votes yes
Kat Lemieux: I vote for approving this. As Gabe said, Shelter activities are a Good Thing
Carl Metropolitan: If it has to do with the Shelter, I always vote "Yes"
You: heh
Troy McLuhan: Yes, I agree
You: we're such an agreeable bunch!
Carl Metropolitan: I need a bot to come and vote "yes" for me if it hears the keyword "the shelter"
You: haha
Carl Metropolitan runs a game show at the Shelter, too.
You: OK last application.
You: ah is that one of the payment podiums, Carl? or a different one?
Carl Metropolitan: Trivial Obsession--every Monday and Wednesday night at six pm
Carl Metropolitan: My own show
Persephone Phoenix directs attention to the last application (ah ok sounds interesting Carl)
Kat Lemieux: This last one doesn't give a location, so can't tell if it's PG or Mature
Troy McLuhan: It's in the sim "Taber"
Carl Metropolitan: I went to events sponsored by her museum when it was at its old location
Gabe Lippmann: Taber
Troy McLuhan: I've visited her museum - it has new work all the time
You: Tayzia was also asking about PG land that she can host build contests on.
Grim Wormser: ill have to go there sometime
Gabe Lippmann: right, but I don't think it seems she is not prepared to get that up and running yet
kaia Ennui: yeah me either
Gabe Lippmann: or it seems she is not ready, i should say
kaia Ennui: that sounded like in the future, maybe
Kerhop Seattle: that'd be a separate app, IMO
Gabe Lippmann: i like it for the regular funding
Kat Lemieux: If it's in Taber, that's PG
Gabe Lippmann: rotating new works is great
Carl Metropolitan: Taber is PG
kaia Ennui: i'm curious it says she spent 40K buying art ?
Carl Metropolitan: I can believe that.
kaia Ennui: like just buying art in SL and putting it up at museum?
Grim Wormser: gets expensive
kaia Ennui: its just that art in SL, you have no clue if its from the person selling it or something they just took off the internet
Carl Metropolitan: at an average of 300L a painting/sculture, that 133 works
Kerhop Seattle: if the funds went to the museum I'd be ok, if it's just pocketed to reimburse the 40k I'm against it
kaia Ennui: nah, it sounds like she wants it to support event prizes
Carl Metropolitan: If you buy art from someone who is exhibiting a set of artworks done in the same style, it is mostly likely that person's work.
Kat Lemieux: Sounds like she wants funds to buy land, too
kaia Ennui: i have never had to pay people to come to art event, but if that's her approach
Gabe Lippmann: she is using it for cash prizes I believe
kaia Ennui: and its getting people there to see art, whatever
Carl Metropolitan: She used to sponsor a Trivia game at her old location, too
You: Hm. I wonder
Troy McLuhan: She is also asking for a bit to cover the cost of a host/hostess
kaia Ennui: i'm all for art museums and i haven't been to hers yet, so I will trust that those who have can tell us
kaia Ennui: that it is actual art by SL residents
Grim Wormser: does publicity not mean the money to put her event on events list?
kaia Ennui: if so, then i'm fine with voting yes
You: Can we simply ask her to maybe resubmit with the city stages app (2 more questions)
You: that will tell us whether the art is original or not?
You: or if she has rights to it maybe?
Kat Lemieux: That sounds reasonable
Gabe Lippmann: sure thing
kaia Ennui: i'm not trying to be a bitch, i'm just saying if it ends up stuff she bought
You: we can then also maybe get her 1k more for funds. I'm not really for the FFRC giving people prizes to just show up to a thing.
kaia Ennui: is stuff people just stole off web and she doesnt realize it
You: but to fund staffing is a different thing.
kaia Ennui: it could bite us on the arse for supporting it
Carl Metropolitan: There is no real way to be 100% sure of that, Kaia
Carl Metropolitan: Not unless the stuff is old and in the public domain
You: yeah. I hear you, kaia. but at least we can ask the applicant to have noted if he or she has the rights to content.
Troy McLuhan: Much of the art at the museum is 3D sculpture - which you can't just copy into SL from the Web or whereever
kaia Ennui: well there is a way to be reasonably sure of it
You: sculpture is good that way.
Kerhop Seattle: the app says just funding for staff would be minimum, how about approving for staff and then resubmit with additional Q's for additional funding?
Carl Metropolitan: At some point, you have to trust the artists (or person claiming to be th artist)
kaia Ennui: ah ok sculpture
Carl Metropolitan: Kaia, how?
kaia Ennui: of course that assumes you are speaking to the artist, carl
Persephone Phoenix nods
kaia Ennui: if you are dealing direct with artist then sure, you can be reasonably sure
You: at my gallery we have a link to the artist's website so you can be sure.
kaia Ennui: if your just flying around buying random art from vendors - a lot less sure
Carl Metropolitan: Ah--I see what you mean
Carl Metropolitan: My understanding when I talked to her several months ago was that she dealt with artists
kaia Ennui: displaying 3d prim sculptures sounds great though
Carl Metropolitan: But we can ask her for mor information.
Carl Metropolitan: I'm cool with that
Kerhop Seattle: At this point, I'd approve 200 for staff... with answered questions for more funding
kaia Ennui: it sounds good to me
You: What do you guys think about asking her to answer the other two questions on the new app form since that could make her eligible for the City Stages funds (since her land is PG too) and sure, approving 200 for staffing right now?
Carl Metropolitan: 200 for the next week?
You: oh it is per week?
Carl Metropolitan: Sorry--I'm confused
Kat Lemieux: Maybe L$600, since she says 200/event, and 2-3 events?
kaia Ennui: sure City Stages would be awesome for her to get
You: so that'd be $800
You: ah right Kat. good eye.
Kerhop Seattle: $600 would be good
Gabe Lippmann: seems like a fine compromise unless there are objections?
Carl Metropolitan: She says two or three weekly events at 200L each to pay hostess
Carl Metropolitan: So it sounds like 400-600 per week
Persephone Phoenix reads more closely
Kat Lemieux: Yes, Carl, I was suggesting we go with the "worst case" (or best case) of 3 events/week
Carl Metropolitan: Grant 600 for next week and ask for more information on the questions Kaia raised.
Kat Lemieux: I second Carls motion
Kerhop Seattle: yes, it gives them a week to answer the additional questions too
Gabe Lippmann: i'm cool with that
Troy McLuhan: I'll vote for that
kaia Ennui: sure
kaia Ennui: might end up benefitting her more anyway
You: Ok. sounds good Carl.
Persephone Phoenix votes yes
kaia Ennui: and this helps her in the interim
Kat Lemieux: aye
You: ok done with apps and on to other stuff.
Gabe Lippmann: onward!
You: OK I'm thinking on the Box Office Contest that it'd be good to have a couple of panelists who were scripters
kaia Ennui: that makes sense
kaia Ennui: i totally agree
You: who could check over the scripts to make sure they were benign
Gabe Lippmann: makes sense
You: or the winning script at any rate and could ask questions.
You: I'm wondering about asking Jesse Linden if any of the linden team could volunteer
You: but also, do we have any FFRC members who are coders proficient in LSL?
kaia Ennui: not I
Kerhop Seattle: not yet
Kat Lemieux: Troy has done some cool scripts for our spaceflight museum
Troy McLuhan: I could look at the code - but I'm only "intermediate"
kaia Ennui: would this person be a judge then? part of who decides a winner?
You: yeah I'm thinking we should have a few judges ... at least 5
You: and two of them coders ideally.
kaia Ennui: having a Linden judge will raise more psychotic bashing that we are evil group
Troy McLuhan: Among the others, there should be event hosts
You: ahhh good point kaia.
kaia Ennui: lol, i love it
kaia Ennui: i couldn't care less, personally, just thought i'd mention it
Kat Lemieux: any publicity is good publicty!
You: yeah. I am an events host and would be able to represent so to speak... but i'm sure there are others. Carl for instance.
kaia Ennui: hahah kat
Grim Wormser: there are people that thin this is n evil group? why?
You: haha yeah maybe. We could always ask if you folks think so.
You: Grim, there are people who think Every group is evil. lol
Grim Wormser: good point
kaia Ennui: well they may think its Linden behind who wins, blah blah blah
Kat Lemieux: It would mean we're part of the "establishment" to those who think that's by definition evil, Grim
kaia Ennui: its all a scam, blah blahblah
Grim Wormser: lol
You: yeah. maybe we shouldn't ask a linden then, but i would have thought that would make us seem less likely of bias rather than more so.
kaia Ennui: its for residents, so perhaps all judges should be residents, you know
You: but you may be right.
Persephone Phoenix nods
You: OK (plus it's easier to do it with all residents anyway)
Kerhop Seattle: five judges, four residents and one linden but only in the case of a tie
Kat Lemieux: Maybe a Linden to vet the code as benign, but not vote as a judge?
kaia Ennui: sure
You: What do you folks think? Approach Lindens to vet the code as benign then? I like that idea.
Gabe Lippmann: sure, might as well see what they say
kaia Ennui: fine with me
Kerhop Seattle: make it simple for them too, an yea or nea without comment from the Linden
Troy McLuhan: I don't see how anyone could complain about that
You: They don't decide the vote, but just ensure the winning entry is world-friendly? makes sense.
kaia Ennui: totally
You: mhm. ok. I'll ask a community linden to check for us
You: They seem the best entry to that prolly.
kaia Ennui: k
You: unless someone here knows a linden in some more direct fashion?
You: k. guess not. heh
kaia Ennui: looks to point and scream FIC
kaia Ennui: no takers?
Kerhop Seattle: no one willing to admit it, at least :)
You: About the other judges, who is free to come that Sunday? (March 26, 9am to noon)?
You: haha
Grim Wormser: what is the box office?
Gabe Lippmann: i may be out of town
You: ah Grim, I can shoot you an info packet. just a sec.
Kat Lemieux: I can do that
You: Yay kat. Troy?
Kerhop Seattle wants an info packet too
Kat Lemieux: be there on the 26th, that is
kaia Ennui: i actually might be out of town as well, dont know yet
Kerhop Seattle accepted your inventory offer.
Grim Wormser accepted your inventory offer.
Grim Wormser: thanks
Grim Wormser: brb
Kerhop Seattle: ty
Troy McLuhan: Do we have a list of entrants?
Troy McLuhan: Or will they just show up on the day of?
You: ah ok. Let's try to firm up judges next time then maybe? I'm thinking it should be people with at least a month of membership in the FFRC
You: We set a deadline in the Ad kaia made of midnight march 25
You: and for them to send me the entries. they may have it set up somewhere though to demo.
kaia Ennui: if i submit it today, i wonder if it will be in this weeks M2? gabe, do you know?
You: particularly if it uses parceled land maybe?
Gabe Lippmann: i don't know off hand
kaia Ennui: hopefully it will make it
Grim Wormser: ROFLMAO
kaia Ennui: ad's costing 900L - we have 100 left over for classifieds or something if someone wants to do that
Kat Lemieux: Is this going to give us enough time to look at entries? Esp. if a Linden needs to do it,too?
Grim Wormser: heehee heee heee heehehe heeee
Grim Wormser: I'm here, where are you?
You: there's the ad
kaia Ennui: *hands Grim some Doritos as I suspect the munchies are coming on
Grim Wormser: im not sure i got the info
You: haha
Grim Wormser: lol, sorry bout that
You: oh it's called scripting contest grim. it's a folder
Grim Wormser: thanks
You: since then tho the prize has gone up to over 80K
kaia Ennui: semi afk, checking on ad deadlines
You: kk Kaia.
You: see what you all think about this and if you have suggestions. I told kaia it looked great and I thought we should place it.
You: we approved 1k for publicity last time and the placement of this will be 900l
You: I'm thinking we could use the other 100 for a classified maybe?
Gabe Lippmann: sure
You: I'm not sure if 2 hours would be enough time to judge the entries or not, but if it takes longer, we could just cancel the meeting for that day maybe. :-)
Kat Lemieux: If this is going into one of those billboards that rotates textures, it mghit have too much text to read before the next one pops up
You: no this is going into the Metaverse Messenger I think.
Kat Lemieux: Oh, ok
kaia Ennui: yes it is
Carl Metropolitan: Have to run for my class
kaia Ennui: and i am assuring we will have it in this weeks
Gabe Lippmann: good to see you Carl
You: mkay Carl. Have a great class!
Kat Lemieux: Bye Carl!
kaia Ennui: i have confirmation it will be ..yay
kaia Ennui: bye carl
Kat Lemieux: Good!
You: oh by the way folks, tonight Astrin Few is playing the phoenix ballroom and we're raising more $L for the pot at that event.
kaia Ennui: great
Gabe Lippmann: great, Perse
Grim Wormser: strin few?
You: if you arent'doing anything stop by at 7pm.
Grim Wormser: *astrin few?
You: Astrin Few, Grim. He's a musician. :-) he plays guitar and sings live. should be fun.
Grim Wormser: i gotta clean this key board
You: heh
Grim Wormser: sounds cool
You: ok onward and upward.
You: treasurer report?
Gabe Lippmann: yeah, looks good
Gabe Lippmann: box office award as stated over $L80k
Gabe Lippmann: nothing major to report
kaia Ennui: ok i'm going to log off and take care of this ad
kaia Ennui: i paid for it and she is waiting the files
Gabe Lippmann: great, thanks kaia!
kaia Ennui: take care all - check out the M2 this week to see it
kaia Ennui: my pleasure
kaia Ennui: ciao all
Kat Lemieux: Good job Kaia!
You: Gabe, I'm wondering, could we put a list up of the names of funded projects on the forums? or in the SLCitizen?
You: yeah TY kaia. looks great.
Gabe Lippmann: yes
You: awesome.
Gabe Lippmann: there is a list on the wiki already
You: yay. :-)
Gabe Lippmann: i updated it today
You: you rule.
Kat Lemieux: Outstanding!
kaia Ennui: remember to vote for us for the Meteverse Awards - landmark is in this box here - poof!
Gabe Lippmann: i was the anonymous updater
Gabe Lippmann: i forgot to log
Grim Wormser: i have to leave, time to eat
You: heh. o yeah I forgot to vote for that yet.
Gabe Lippmann: thanks for coming, Grim
You: k Grim.
kaia Ennui: me too, perse :O
You: heh
You: Any questions for the treasurer?
Gabe Lippmann: it's all in the report!
You: I'm thinking we can skip discussion on the city stages opening since none of the 3 organizers are here.
Gabe Lippmann: agreed
You: Wanted to commend Lizbeth's work on Salems' art opening which Carl and I also attended.
You: it was all sculpture
Gabe Lippmann: great
You: also Frogg said some nice things about the FFRC there.
Gabe Lippmann: ah, SLebrity endorsement
Gabe Lippmann: cool
You: one last thing though, I would like to see us streamline the signage for applicants by giving them a notecard if they are approved.
You: the notecard would have the sponsor sign and a request that they mention us in ads and event listings for the event. sound ok to everyone?
Troy McLuhan: Yes, that's a good idea
Kat Lemieux: That sounds good
Gabe Lippmann: i think it's a good idea to make it clear and easy
Persephone Phoenix nods
You: ok we've talked about the ad.
You: did anyone hear the multi verse psa?
Kat Lemieux: Could I suggest putting the ad on the building wall over there?
You: I heard it had aired but i didn't hear it. anyway if you did, that was my voicework. hehe
Kat Lemieux: The middle of this arena is getting crowded!
Gabe Lippmann: you may suggest it
You: yes good idea kat.
Gabe Lippmann: nice Perse
Gabe Lippmann: i didn't hear it
Kat Lemieux: What's the URL for the multiverse radio station?
You: anyway we've been making headway on the publicity front. I"m not sure! I know Erik is trying to get someone new to take it over though.
Gabe Lippmann: someone has purchased it already
You: turns out there is a conflict there between multiverse and his new rl job.
You: ahh did they? so it may not be running any longer then. do you know who bought it, Gabe?
Gabe Lippmann: i do not know
You: k ... well anyway we did have some air time on the stream for a bit.
You: that was free.
Kat Lemieux: Free is good!
Gabe Lippmann: i don't know that it has changed hands yet
You: We had BarounNet on the agenda before and were talking about trying to use that as a system for info distribution (applicant event listings and so on)
Kat Lemieux: What about Dreamland radio? I was flying over some Ansche land and heard that one day
You: but i'm not sure who had what as an action item on that.
Gabe Lippmann: i don't either, but we should look to at least put the list of events on it
You: ah good idea Kat. worth a shot.
Kat Lemieux: Hmmm... I visited the Pear Computer store, and found out their computers use BarounNet
Kat Lemieux: (I bought one, too)
Gabe Lippmann: someone also could do a shoutout on the secondcast
You: yeah I agree. and I got more info on the BarounNet computers (i need to buy one)
Kat Lemieux: wb Grim
Gabe Lippmann: i got one too, Kat
You: ahhh kewl. who do you contact for secondcast? how does that work, Gabe?
Gabe Lippmann: secondcast.com
Kat Lemieux: I was so impressed by them, I inquired about becoming a reseller
Gabe Lippmann: i think there is a phone number to call and leave a "shoutout" message
You: wow. that's pretty nifty, Kat.
Gabe Lippmann: Johnny Ming
Grim Wormser: ssecond cast?
Gabe Lippmann: it is a radio show available at secondcast.com
Gabe Lippmann: download the mp3
Kat Lemieux: Gabe was talking about secondcast, I was referring to Pear Computers
Grim Wormser: available anywhere in sl?
Kat Lemieux: which?
Grim Wormser: the second cast
Troy McLuhan: Secondcast is more a "podcast" (think iTunes) than a radio station
You: ah i see how it works.
Gabe Lippmann: right, podcast
You: ok i'll send the wav file over to them then if you folks are good with that.
Grim Wormser: thought that scince it apparnetly is related to sl...
Gabe Lippmann: sure
Gabe Lippmann: just a number of folks talking SL stuff
You: :-) and yeah Kat the computers sound good.
Gabe Lippmann: you can download the podcast
You: heh
Gabe Lippmann: he was thinking about live
Gabe Lippmann: stream
Gabe Lippmann: but decided to go this route
Grim Wormser: stage fright? :)
You: So should we be sending a weekly press release out about who was funded and stuff?
Kat Lemieux: bandwidth for live streaming can get to be big bucks!
Gabe Lippmann: he just thought it was easiest for all
Grim Wormser: oh
Gabe Lippmann: at least for now
Persephone Phoenix nods
Gabe Lippmann: we could do that, Perse
Kat Lemieux: press releases are good. I've seen several show up on BarounNet from FFRC.
Kat Lemieux: Don't forget InfoNet, too.
You: Anyone want to take it on?
Gabe Lippmann: this is a way to address some of the publicity for events
You: yah.
Kat Lemieux: Thtat's how I found out about FFRC in the first place
Gabe Lippmann: cool
You: really? that's nifty. :-)
You: a press release on InfoNet was how you found FFRC, Kat?
Grim Wormser: i just saw it on events list, seems like thats all the publicity an event would need
Kat Lemieux: We need a media list, places to send press releases to.
Gabe Lippmann: the events list can get crowded
You: that's a good idea, Kat.
Gabe Lippmann: and some people have stopped using it
Grim Wormser: yeah, i guess youre right
Gabe Lippmann: agreed, Kat
You: Kat would you want to take that on? a list of inworld and out of world contacts?
Kat Lemieux: Sure, I need to do the same thing for our Spaceflight museum anyway.
Troy McLuhan: Hamlet has started posting "notable" and "unique" events at his new blog site
Persephone Phoenix smiles
You: yay.
Gabe Lippmann: that's true, Troy
Grim Wormser: whats the site?
Gabe Lippmann: New World Notes
You: great idea Troy. I know he covered the city stages thing too
Gabe Lippmann: i don't know that url
Grim Wormser: ill google it
You: kk Grim.
Gabe Lippmann: he has a thread for it on the SL Forums
Troy McLuhan: http://nwn.blogs.com/
Kat Lemieux: If you click on the "Hamlet Linden" link on the 2nd life homepage, ehnt click the heading, it will take you to Hamlet's new blog
You: i'm thinking the forums will have a link too
You: kewl ty Troy.
Grim Wormser: ok this time i do have to go and eat, last time it turned out i had extra time. bye all
Gabe Lippmann: hah
Gabe Lippmann: all right, do we have anything else?
You: ok... well unless anyone has something else for the agenda, it looks like we're finished for the day
Kat Lemieux: Anybody want a balloon ride?
You: Great! oo i'd like to but i'd best go someplace quiet and chatlog
Kat Lemieux: ;-)
You: i hate the idea of crashing without the log. heh
Kat Lemieux: OK, anytime
Gabe Lippmann: i would love to but I have to walk the dogs
Gabe Lippmann: i'll take a rain check :)
You: see you folks tonight at 7 if you want to come out to dance in the ballroom. cya soon.
Kat Lemieux: We could trail a leash off the side of the basket for them.... Well, maybe not
Kat Lemieux: Bye Perse!
Gabe Lippmann: haha

3/19/06 FFRC Chatlog - Part 1 of 5

Persephone Phoenix: hey Gina and William
Gina Dawn: hi Persephone!
Persephone Phoenix: Hi Grim. :-)
Grim Wormser: hi
William Richelieu: hi all
Persephone Phoenix: getting the agenda together. anyone have any funding applications to submit?
Gina Dawn: we came to learn about yur group -
Gina Dawn: someone told us a little about it, last nite
Bernardo Rockwell: ok back , hello everyone
Persephone Phoenix: ahhh awesome. :-)
Persephone Phoenix: Well the easiest way is to look at our thread on the forums
Gina Dawn: kk
Grim Wormser: this garden show looks interesting
Persephone Phoenix: but essentially, we're a funding and support organization for rich content in SL.
Persephone Phoenix: yes indeed. looks quite exciting.
Gina Dawn: we own Sunset ARts sim - and support visual & performing artists -we're interesting in seeing how we can help more
Persephone Phoenix: some weeks we get as many as 5 applications, other weeks none. we're also working on a large initiative to make open source a box-office script
Zonax Delorean: hi
Persephone Phoenix: we have our Best Box Office contest on March 26
Persephone Phoenix: hello Zonax. Good to see you. :-)
Persephone Phoenix: Zonax, do you code by any chance?
Zonax Delorean: well, yes... :)
Persephone Phoenix: you do right?
Persephone Phoenix: :-)
Zonax Delorean: in rl and some in SL, too
Persephone Phoenix: hehe wanna be a judge for the Box office thingy next sunday? we need a couple of coders
Zonax Delorean: sounds good... when will the judging happen?
Persephone Phoenix: 9am to noon SL time.
Zonax Delorean: i'd rather receive the entries a bit in advance, though...
Zonax Delorean: it that's possible...
Grim Wormser: can anyone see my av? on my screen i look like the invisible man
Zonax Delorean: if judging involves looking into the source and documentation, too
Gabe Lippmann: sure thing, you look dancy
Troy McLuhan: I can see you fine Grim
Persephone Phoenix: yeah that'd be good. we could always say that we won't announce a winner for a few days. that's part of what we need to talk about today: process
Zonax Delorean: when i had some judging to do in rl (not code, but other entries).. it worked like..
Persephone Phoenix: I'll pass out the agenda I have presently unless anyone has a funding application to submit?
Zonax Delorean: there were a panel of a few ppl, and they got all the stuff, plus a few days to read it, judge it
Persephone Phoenix: k. I'll start passing out agendas.
Zonax Delorean: write the notes and comments on a textcard...
Zonax Delorean: and the proposed order/scores
Persephone Phoenix: we will only see the script for the one that we say is the winner. otherwise everyone is giving their scripts away just for entering.
Persephone Phoenix: but yeah maybe we can try to get to the box office contest process discussion as quickly as possible. Zonax, do you have an event at 2 today?
Zonax Delorean: well, that's a bit judging a car you want to buy just from a photo :) okay, not that bad...
<b><u>Zonax Delorean</u></b>Persephone Phoenix gave you FFRC Agenda March 17 06.[/color]
Zonax Delorean: yes, i'll have my event at 2 PM today, too :)
<b><u>Zonax Delorean</u></b>An object named FFRC Event Application Sign owned by Gabe Lippmann gave you Foundation for Rich Content Charter. [/color]
<b><u>Zonax Delorean</u></b>An object named FFRC Event Application Sign owned by Gabe Lippmann gave you Foundation for Rich Content Fundiont Application.[/color]
Zonax Delorean: I also sent in a FFRC application... gave it to Gabe
Zonax Delorean: but it's okay if it only gets on next week's agenda
Gabe Lippmann: ah, you did?
Zenigma Suntzu: Hi. Ok to log of course.
Zonax Delorean: Gabe: yes.. i hope i dropped it on YOU and not some unknown person :) lol
Persephone Phoenix: heh go ahead and pass it out to everyone Zonax. :-)
Persephone Phoenix: We'll add it to the app for today.
Zonax Delorean: lol no fair :) okay... let me pass it around
Persephone Phoenix: heh
Bernardo Rockwell: heh
<b><u>Bernardo Rockwell</u></b>Zonax Delorean gave you FFRC Application - PrimWorx Show and Tell - April.[/color]
Zonax Delorean: okay
Zonax Delorean: i think i got everyone
Persephone Phoenix: For the new folks, Anyone can submit an application for funding, except for officers of the org.
Gabe Lippmann: ah, sorry, yes I think I had that buried in here
Zonax Delorean: Gabe: no problem
Persephone Phoenix: So, by joining the org, you aren't eliminating yourself from funding consideration. We did this because often people committed to the idea of the need for rich content are already making it.
Zonax Delorean: when we get to my application, i could say a few words about the currently running funding :)
Persephone Phoenix: awesome. sure thing. I'd say let's get goin since we have lots to do today.
Zonax Delorean: kk
Persephone Phoenix: Is everyone OK being chatlogged?
Persephone Phoenix: (yes)
Gabe Lippmann: yup
Carl Metropolitan: Yes
Troy McLuhan: yes
Zonax Delorean: yes
Grim Wormser: yep
Gina Dawn: yes
Persephone Phoenix: Anyone need an agenda?
Persephone Phoenix: or have an item to add to the agenda?
Bernardo Rockwell: yeah
Kat Lemieux: ok
FFRC AGENDA whispers: Ready!
Zenigma Suntzu: yes
Persephone Phoenix: Ok great.
Persephone Phoenix: First I'd like to direct your attention to the follow up from last week
Persephone Phoenix: the third notecard on the agenda notecard called FFRC Funding Application was Tayzia's app from last week.
Persephone Phoenix: We approved $600 for host funding until she answered the question of whether or not she was getting artist permissions for artwork used.
Persephone Phoenix: she answered in the notecard Answers for FFRC Questions.
Persephone Phoenix: In part, we did this because she is on PG land also and could be eligible for the City Stages funding stream.
Persephone Phoenix: Can I get folks to look at the Answers for FFRC Questions notecard?
Kat Lemieux: m
Persephone Phoenix: she includes a lot of snapshots of the artworks
Zonax Delorean: i know her and her Museum, it is an old and well established one...
Bernardo Rockwell: I know her and the museum is great
Zonax Delorean: I think one of the best in SL
Persephone Phoenix: She clearly states that the museum is host to all original artworks by SL members with a focus on sculpture.
Zenigma Suntzu: Do we have her app, too?
Gabe Lippmann: It's the next item in the agenda, I believe
Persephone Phoenix: I'd like to put her up for the remainder of the 2k from FFRC and submit the app to Zen for consideration for the additional 1k if it is funded through City Stages.
Persephone Phoenix: Yep. the original app is just below answers for ffrc.
FFRC AGENDA whispers: Ready!
Persephone Phoenix: I'll give you guys a couple of minutes to look over and ask questions before we vote.
Persephone Phoenix: any questions or commentary?
Zenigma Suntzu: We have PG land available, btw... Maczster's club and Make Magazine land.
Bernardo Rockwell: well I'm new here but I can say all good things about tazia and her musem
Persephone Phoenix: ty for the testimonials. and yes we'd like to pass that on to her also: that there is more land if she wants to do build contests again. awesome Bernardo ty.
Bernardo Rockwell: I have 1024 mature if needed
Zenigma Suntzu: Her museum is on PG land?
Persephone Phoenix: someone checked it out last time
Persephone Phoenix: I think it was carl and he said it was. yeah.
Gabe Lippmann: yes
Persephone Phoenix: he went there and came back during the meeting.
Zenigma Suntzu: ok, City Stages would like to fund that.
Persephone Phoenix: Yay!
Gabe Lippmann: great
Persephone Phoenix: Well that makes that easy. :-)
Gabe Lippmann: do we need to get an official vote from the group or no?
Gabe Lippmann: does that matter
Zenigma Suntzu: Yes you do.
Persephone Phoenix: good question. I suppose we should yes.
Zenigma Suntzu: Always :)
Gabe Lippmann: well, I give a yes
Carl Metropolitan: Yes
Zonax Delorean: i vote yes
Zenigma Suntzu: Yes
Kat Lemieux: I vote yes
Persephone Phoenix: Vote everyone? (all FFRC Members are eligible to vote)
Persephone Phoenix: yes
Persephone Phoenix: yay Carl. good to see you.
Persephone Phoenix: Hi kaia. kewl hair!
kaia Ennui: thanx i made it :P
Troy McLuhan: Yes
Persephone Phoenix: mkay. sounds like we can move on to Zonax's application for the Primworx show and tell.
Persephone Phoenix: he sent that out to folks
Gabe Lippmann: super
Persephone Phoenix: anyone need a copy?
kaia Ennui: yes to chatlog question i missed
Zonax Delorean: Okay, just a few words about it...
Persephone Phoenix: TY kaia.
Kerhop Seattle: yes to chatlog
Persephone Phoenix: ty Kerhop. :-)
Zonax Delorean: I currently am receiving funding (for this month and February) already for the same event -- the show and tell
<b><u>Zonax Delorean</u></b>Persephone Phoenix listens to Zonax[/color]
Kerhop Seattle: and I've been to the primworx event, already voting yes for whatever they want :)
Zonax Delorean: its' going great, i think :)
Zonax Delorean: i usually have 15-22 ppl around
Persephone Phoenix: I've been to that event and think it's awesome also.
Zonax Delorean: that can be considered a nice audience, i think :) and people enter all kinds of creative stuffs
Zonax Delorean: it's very enjoyable for me, too, to see all the variety
Persephone Phoenix: yeah in sl that's a great audience. I also like the way you do your voting in a way that is really transparent
Zonax Delorean: oh, yes, i have a unique voting machine...
Kerhop Seattle: don't forget the pre-show :)
Kerhop Seattle: don't forget the pre-show :)
Zonax Delorean: i try to make sure the first 3 places are really the best 3 that day
Persephone Phoenix: Zonax, can you tell me, is your land that you host it on PG or Mature?
Zonax Delorean: it's PG
<b><u>Zonax Delorean</u></b>Persephone Phoenix nods[/color]
Zonax Delorean: hmm lol.. what else...
Zonax Delorean: oh yes, FFRC funding is helping, though i have donators, too
Zonax Delorean: but i would really be happy to see some publicity
Grim Wormser: only 9 creators?
Zonax Delorean: 9 creators is very much!
Persephone Phoenix: great to hear. We need to get out to photograph your event some time. It usually happens during meetings tho.
Zonax Delorean: to show 9 items, and let people talk about it, takes some time...
Zonax Delorean: with full 9, i can't even finish in an hour :) just abit more
Bernardo Rockwell: I think is good to have reduced numbers like that... means more control over quality
Grim Wormser: ok
Persephone Phoenix: also we're going to start submitting press releases of those funded I think though not sure how that will happen exactly. this is from last week's discussion.
Zonax Delorean: but many times it's less than 9... i am happier when it's 8 or 9, though :)
Zonax Delorean: or maybe a central FFRC weekly event calendar
Zonax Delorean: would be nice, too...
Kat Lemieux: I'm still working on the media list
Zonax Delorean: but that's just one idea
Persephone Phoenix: Anyone have questions or further discussion of Zonax's application?
Gabe Lippmann: great, Kat
Carl Metropolitan: I will be happy to post such a calendar at NCI
Carl Metropolitan: And I think you could probably get one at the Shelter, too
Kat Lemieux: Once we have that it should make it easier to submit p.r.
Persephone Phoenix: ah just got another app too.
Gabe Lippmann: that would be awesome, Carl
Persephone Phoenix: Awesome. Anyone want to take on making such a calendar?
Carl Metropolitan: Just drop it one me.
Persephone Phoenix: that would be a great idea and I know that baroun would run it in his barounnet too
Persephone Phoenix: I just can't take on more duties.
Carl Metropolitan: You could probably get it put in InfoNet and post it to the Forums, too
Gabe Lippmann: right
Persephone Phoenix: yep we could. we need someone to volunteer to do the work tho. :-)
Zonax Delorean: (BTW, not to deter anyone from volunteering, but in the worst case, i propose someone could be payed to do the calendar. It'll be a regular and responsible job.)
Bernardo Rockwell: I can
Grim Wormser: does anyone know how often infonet updates?
Persephone Phoenix: so we'll keep that on the agenda
kaia Ennui: i can't commit to anything for next two weeks
Persephone Phoenix: Woot Bernardo. ok. :-)
Zonax Delorean: but it's better if there's a volunteer :)
Bernardo Rockwell: :)
kaia Ennui: yay ty Bernardo
Carl Metropolitan: I don't have time either.
3/19/06 FFRC Chatlog - Part 2 of 5

Carl Metropolitan: Cool Bernardo.
Persephone Phoenix: GJ Bernardo. You can join the FFRC for free also.
Bernardo Rockwell: I would love too
Bernardo Rockwell: *to
Persephone Phoenix: I'll try to get you all the approved apps so you can add them to the calendar.
Bernardo Rockwell: ok :)
Persephone Phoenix: So shall we vote on the Primworx event sponsorship?
Gabe Lippmann: Great. Feel free to drop me a line also if you need anything else.
Carl Metropolitan: I can email you the FFRC logo if you don't have it.
Gabe Lippmann: I vote yes
Carl Metropolitan: Yes to Primworx
kaia Ennui: yes
Persephone Phoenix: I'd like to vote for sponsorship and to ask City Stages to take a look at it also
Bernardo Rockwell: yeah I'll need that
Persephone Phoenix: yes
Troy McLuhan: I vote to fund primworx
Zenigma Suntzu: I think we're dipping into the set-aside for the concert. but... we can recover that from next month's money.
Persephone Phoenix: great. ok it looks like we have a majority
Zenigma Suntzu: Since the concert is moved to next month.
Zenigma Suntzu: and CS would like to fund this one.
Persephone Phoenix: you ok with that then Zen? Yay! ok.
Gabe Lippmann: cool
Zonax Delorean: sounds great!
Zonax Delorean: thanks :)
Kat Lemieux: in favor of primworx funding
Zenigma Suntzu: Excellent.
Persephone Phoenix: Fabuloso. Let's check out The Shelter's app. Did everyone get that or was that just me?
kaia Ennui: i dont think i got that
Gabe Lippmann: pass it around!
Persephone Phoenix: was that from you carl? kk. i will.
Carl Metropolitan: This was not a Shelter application
Carl Metropolitan: It was from me
Carl Metropolitan: For Trivial Obsession
Zenigma Suntzu: Zonax, can you drop that application on me again? I closed it by accident.
Persephone Phoenix: k it's for trivial obsession
Carl Metropolitan: It is hosted at the Shelter
Carl Metropolitan: Let me send them around
Zonax Delorean: Zenigma: yes, just a sec
Carl Metropolitan: I only dropped on on Persephone because I didn't know if it was too late for this weeks's meeting
<b><u>Carl Metropolitan</u></b>Persephone Phoenix gave you FFRC FUNDING APPLICATION for Trivial Obsession.[/color]
Carl Metropolitan: Hold on.
<b><u>Carl Metropolitan</u></b>Carl Metropolitan gave you FFRC FUNDING APPLICATION for Trivial Obsession. [/color]
<b><u>Carl Metropolitan</u></b>Carl Metropolitan gave you FFRC FUNDING APPLICATION for Trivial Obsession.[/color]
Gabe Lippmann: Trivial Obsession is a fun time
Persephone Phoenix: ok i think i got everyone. anyone else need one?
Carl Metropolitan: Thank you.
Carl Metropolitan: Did anyone not get one?
Persephone Phoenix: this is Carl's app for a game show held at the shelter, tho, right, Carl?
Gina Dawn: I got 3 - does anyone want one of mine ? lol
Carl Metropolitan: Right!
Persephone Phoenix: heh sorry bout that Gina.
Gina Dawn: hehe
Carl Metropolitan: I gave one to everyone
Carl Metropolitan: Apparenlty Perspsephone did also :)
Persephone Phoenix: ah i did too. heh. ty carl. ok.
Persephone Phoenix: :-)
Grim Wormser: does it have theme nights or somthing or is it just random?
Carl Metropolitan: It is general trivia
Persephone Phoenix: the amount requested is 1k also (points that out)
Carl Metropolitan: 25 questions per show.
Carl Metropolitan: You can read the rules and look at some of our sponsors in the embedded notecards