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09-16-2005 12:05
So... it's how much for a booth in NY? Or Gwyneth, were you offering a booth as a sort of donation to help us along? I went to the site for the convention and could find no pricing for sponsorship, but did find a list of sponsors. I'm assuming that booth registration is more or less closed?
Now, as for the SL version of the convention (which I was oblivious to in my prior post)... that's definitely something we can do. The short end of that stick though, is that we will still need to raise money to get the 512m plot that we would need. So I'm asking anyone reading this to come to our meeting this Sunday, the 18th at Club Jasmine on the Isle of Bliss with your gracious hats on. We will be asking attendees to this meeting to join our cause by donating time, ideas, and L$. We'll need L$8,400 to get a spot at the SL version of the SLCC. We'll also need people to help with the builds for that event. Gwyneth, could you (pretty please) talk to who you know associated with the SLCC about possibly coming to our meeting in two days? It would be nice to somehow get some representation at either/both RL and SL versions of this thing. Oh, and thanks for bringing it to my attention! _____________________
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09-16-2005 12:08
That is interesting... we can use this for sponsorship agreements when we get to that point (likely soon). Thanks, Gabe ![]() _____________________
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09-16-2005 15:02
Sorry for the shouting in the post title, but this is a good one...
Gabe Lippmann, one of our original members, through the kindness of his heart has offered to match donations L$ for L$ (up to L$10,000 for his part) to get us that 512m booth for the SLCC event coming up Oct 1st. through 9th. Now, since the 512m plot of land is only L$8,400 and Gabe is matching up to L$10,000, that means there could potentially be some overlap. We can handle this two ways... stop it short at the L$8,400 we need to get the booth, or use any surplus as seed money to fund future events (i.e. use it as foundation fundage). I'll leave that up to the voting body at our meeting this Sunday... Please, everyone help me in extending our gratitude to Gabe for this offer by showing up at the meeting. Remember it's at Club Jasmine on the Isle of Bliss at 2PM Linden Time, Sunday, Sept. 18th. PS: We are not expecting anyone to donate money, just asking it graciously of those who believe in our cause and can afford it. I personally have no $L to contribute (yes, I am still a lowly basic user), but as Gabe said, we need much more than money. We need builders, scripters, thinkers, social butterflies, PR mavens, and just anyone at all with anything at all to offer... at all!! _____________________
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09-16-2005 15:11
Sorry for the shouting in the post title, but this is a good one... Gabe Lippmann, one of our original members, through the kindness of his heart has offered to match donations L$ for L$ (up to L$10,000 for his part) to get us that 512m booth for the SLCC event coming up Oct 1st. through 9th. Now, since the 512m plot of land is only L$8,400 and Gabe is matching up to L$10,000, that means there could potentially be some overlap. We can handle this two ways... stop it short at the L$8,400 we need to get the booth, or use any surplus as seed money to fund future events (i.e. use it as foundation fundage). I'll leave that up to the voting body at our meeting this Sunday... Please, everyone help me in extending our gratitude to Gabe for this offer by showing up at the meeting. Remember it's at Club Jasmine on the Isle of Bliss at 2PM Linden Time, Sunday, Sept. 18th. PS: We are not expecting anyone to donate money, just asking it graciously of those who believe in our cause and can afford it. I personally have no $L to contribute (yes, I am still a lowly basic user), but as Gabe said, we need much more than money. We need builders, scripters, thinkers, social butterflies, PR mavens, and just anyone at all with anything at all to offer... at all!! Rye Im also donating 3k _____________________
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09-18-2005 17:36
Sorry I missed the meeting, was short notice, but I'd like to attend future meetings. Please keep me on the list.
Also, you are welcome to put any signs or info on our sim (Antigua Bay), or even a vendor to sell T-Shirts or anything to raise money. Just let me or Karlie Morgan know. =) Hunter Parks _____________________
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09-18-2005 18:51
I went to the gathering today and was disappointed by the way people in SL just don't know how to run a proper meeting. I have been to 3 linden meetings and a couple of non-linden ones and it's always the same thing. Everyone talk at once, no-one respect the person who has the floor, that's when there is a floor to take. It seems to me the chat room mentality is killing the proper way to conduct a meeting.
The lack of order in these meeting is just pushing me away. I left this meeting today not just for this reason, but also because the meeting lacked direction and planning. About the concept of sponsoring rich content events, I still don't know what you mean by that... rich content events? give us an exemple please? Let's say a building contest qualifies as a rich content... What need for funding is there? Just make people pay to enter, just like in RL... the size of the prize would be in direct proportion to the number of entries. Getting sponsors? They will surely want to put advertising and such into the event... just what we need, more RL commercialism to encroach on the virtual world... I can just see it coming: this rich content event is sponsored by such and such Tringo place.... great... I just don't see it happening... People will go to rich content events in SL as long as it is free, because they always expect them to be free. To them they already pay for the privilege of being into SL, they don't want to pay for events, they want an angle to make money any way they can. That's why tringo is so popular and that's why the demand for rich content events does not exist. Sure people do go to events other than tringo, but It's not because they are asking for them, it's because someone offered it to them. Anyway, that's my opinion on this matter. I could not express this at the meeting because everyone talks at the same time and it's nearly impossible to follow a coherent discussion when you try to find a reply amid 10 other comments, some not even relevant to the subject. Fix the meeting protocol then I'll attend another meeting. Good luck with your projects. _____________________
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09-18-2005 22:32
Well Prat, I'll admit this (**first, preliminary**) meeting may have been a bit unorganized at times, but it was really meant to get people together on this idea more than anything. We just wanted to gauge interest levels, throw around ideas, and see what comes next.
In general, this was a great meeting!! A lot of people showed up to this "chat room" and we knocked down some key items. We figured out who the treasurer will be, we named the core officers (those people who are willing to put in extra time to make sure this goes), and we opened up the discussion for our booth at the SLCC in October. We defined "rich" content by means of each of us listing off things we think would qualify (show and tells, live music, primtionary, air combat tournaments, sailing, etc..) but that was maybe after you left. We threw around ideas for our logo. We bonded a bit with off topic chat (oh well...), which I think was ok for what I considered to be a wonderful brainstorming session. This foundation is for those people who would like to host/run/create/attend events that are not mainstream, uber popular *ingo-esque events. People who, in so many forum threads (in this topic area alone not to mention the rest), complain about all the *ingo, and who would love to host other events except for the fact they can't afford to do it because they can't easily recover the costs. This foundation is for those who want to take part in it. It's for those who want it. We will have a channel for sponsors to pay for some of this, yes.. but we will be discrete in our acceptance of sponsorships and would obviously not do anything to degrade the value of our existence. Also, sponsorships are only a part of it... we realize many people will want to host events and not display ads. That's why we will be doing fundraisers so hopefully a larger part of our funds can be donations... Sure people do go to events other than tringo, but It's not because they are asking for them, it's because someone offered it to them. Exactly! And we are here to help with that offering. Remember the goal is simply to lay out a framework of support for those who want to make use of it. ..It's late... I will post again in the morning with a bit more of a summary statement on the meeting and what's coming next for the FFRC. Thank you all for coming!! _____________________
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09-19-2005 01:18
Also apologies for absence, I did plan to be at the meeting, but I've been working really hard on streaming audio recently, and the girlfriend let me know I *had* to put in some boyfriend time
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09-19-2005 07:48
Thank you Hunter and JSecure, we all hope you can make it to the next meeting.
Ok, for everyone, here is the breakdown of the meeting yesterday... - We opened with general Q&A on what we are all about for those people who were still fuzzy. It was brought to my attention that our mission statement is a little unclear (the 1st draft can be found on the first page of this forum thread). I will try to work with April and Gabe to come up with something better. - We discussed the need to have criteria for events that we support (I like the word support better than "sponsor" because we will be doing more than just giving money out). While we did not nail down any clear cut criteria, we had a lively discussion about it and I think laid the groundwork for that topic for the next meeting. Savannah Marlowe has agreed to work with the officers (myself, April Chung and Gabe Lippmann at this point) on this. - We bonded. Yes, bonded. While some may view off topic banter to be non-productive, I feel strongly this team needs to feel comfortable with each other to work properly. I will not get hung up on protocol to sacrifice this bond. I, for one, met a lot of great people at this meeting whom I am sure I will call friends in the not too distant future. (Yes, this point is bit of a rebuttle to Prat's post, and for that I apologize, but it's also very true and in fact I may not have reflected on this point had he not made those comments) - We decided we will hold a weekly meeting every Sunday at 1PM Linden time at the same location (Club Jasmine on the Isle of Bliss). Next meeting is this Sunday, Sept. 25th. - It was discussed how to go about demonstrating we can get things done as far as actually putting on an event. We think we need to create a sample event, or a "kick off" event if you will, to give us some practice, raise awareness and possibly raise some funds, as well as to allow us to come to some sort of internal agreement as to what "rich content" is. More on that will come soon... - We announced we will be having an in-world booth at the SLCC, and several people volunteered to help with the build and to man that booth during the convention. April, Gabe or I will be contacting those running the convention soon to make arrangements. We will hopefully have it paid for by the next meeting so we can start working on the builds right away. - We had a showing of a logo concept (which was great, thank you Mustelid). It was decided that whoever wants to design a logo can bring it to the next meeting where we will vote on them. The winner will become our official logo. - The interim treasurer was decided on (me). I will be creating an alt account that will be the repository for any donations or sponsorship money we receive. I will keep records of all transactions and I will make them completely public (please give me some time though at the start to get that part set up). I am not completely content with being the treasurer since I'm the founder... while I know my intentions are good this relationship may make some people uneasy. Also, I'm not in-world as often as many others to begin with and the time I am in I'd like to be busy with planning and what not... If anyone else is interested in this duty PLEASE step forward. I will leave that as an open invitation, and if anyone does raise their hand for it we'll have the voting body make the final decision. - We still have 1 spot open for someone who wants to be an officer. A small core of officers is best, but we need our 4th. Right now it's me, April Chung and Gabe Lippmann. We will, of course, put it to a vote if we have more than 1 volunteer. However, no one at this meeting said they had enough time to put into it to be an officer (which is perfectly understandable), so we really just need someone to step up and get excited to be on the team. The officers will have special responsibilities as far as helping with builds and showing up at meetings and supported events to make sure eveything is running smoothly. While everything will be voted on by the entire group, it will be the officers who break ties, facilitate meetings, give final approval for events and sponsors, and will be expected to personify our mission statement. We WILL ultimately listen to the member body, but we're basically a buffer to prevent too much politics (not that that is currently a threat) and make sure things get done. - - - There was more that was discussed, but I think that is a pretty decent summary. If anyone that was there has more to add, please do so. Again I'd like to thank everyone that made it. It's a great cause. Now we've got some momentum! I'll be in the forums all week, not in-world much though. And my brother is getting married in two weeks so I'm afraid I won't be making it to the next 2 Sunday meetings (this weekend is the bachelor party and Sunday we are going to the Packer game in Green Bay woohoo!). PLEASE DO NOT let my absence hold this thing up. The other officers will be there. _____________________
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09-19-2005 08:05
The in-world group is called none other than "The Foundation for Rich Content" and can be found easily by doing a search for the word "foundation". It costs nothing to join, so please do. One and all.
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April Chung
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09-19-2005 08:59
I went to the gathering today and was disappointed by the way people in SL just don't know how to run a proper meeting. I have been to 3 linden meetings and a couple of non-linden ones and it's always the same thing. Everyone talk at once, no-one respect the person who has the floor, that's when there is a floor to take. It seems to me the chat room mentality is killing the proper way to conduct a meeting. The lack of order in these meeting is just pushing me away. I left this meeting today not just for this reason, but also because the meeting lacked direction and planning. About the concept of sponsoring rich content events, I still don't know what you mean by that... rich content events? give us an exemple please? Let's say a building contest qualifies as a rich content... What need for funding is there? Just make people pay to enter, just like in RL... the size of the prize would be in direct proportion to the number of entries. Getting sponsors? They will surely want to put advertising and such into the event... just what we need, more RL commercialism to encroach on the virtual world... I can just see it coming: this rich content event is sponsored by such and such Tringo place.... great... I just don't see it happening... People will go to rich content events in SL as long as it is free, because they always expect them to be free. To them they already pay for the privilege of being into SL, they don't want to pay for events, they want an angle to make money any way they can. That's why tringo is so popular and that's why the demand for rich content events does not exist. Sure people do go to events other than tringo, but It's not because they are asking for them, it's because someone offered it to them. Anyway, that's my opinion on this matter. I could not express this at the meeting because everyone talks at the same time and it's nearly impossible to follow a coherent discussion when you try to find a reply amid 10 other comments, some not even relevant to the subject. Fix the meeting protocol then I'll attend another meeting. Good luck with your projects. Prat, Instead of looking at mistakes. Why did you stay for the meeting and help out we can use the support. I do believe you were one of the first people that left meeting. _____________________
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09-20-2005 11:48
Prat, Instead of looking at mistakes. Why did you stay for the meeting and help out we can use the support. I do believe you were one of the first people that left meeting. Please re-read the first paragraph of my post. It explains why I left so early. _____________________
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09-20-2005 11:50
That's fine
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09-20-2005 11:53
Pratyeka Muromachi ... Not worth it
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09-20-2005 12:20
I went to the gathering today and was disappointed by the way people in SL just don't know how to run a proper meeting. I have been to 3 linden meetings and a couple of non-linden ones and it's always the same thing. Everyone talk at once, no-one respect the person who has the floor, that's when there is a floor to take. It seems to me the chat room mentality is killing the proper way to conduct a meeting. I can agree a BIT and only a BIT with that on you. From RL and SL experiences, yes, an unmanaged meeting usually does derail into storytelling, joking, nonsense chat, etc. Though as I read later posts, this meeting did have some results. I hold a Show and Tell event, every Sunday, and at 2 PM nowdays, so I sadly couldn't attend the meeting, even though I would be interested, as I think my event (Show and Tell) will possibly qualify. What I expect of an FFRC (from my view), as just an example: * It should help more people find my Show and Tell, by listing it. The more people, more creations, bigger audience there is, the more fun the event is for all. * Maybe monetary support, though I luckily have some donors, who help fill the donation pot. The rest of the prize money comes from my shop, which I use to cross-finance the event. * I plan to hold an exhibition soon of the pictures I took at Show and Tell (showing a lot of wonderful ideas!!!), I would also hope that this qualifies as a rich event, and thus gets listed/promoted, and yes, the more people see the exhibition, the more value it can spread. What I could give: * Of course, some link (banner object, notecard giver, etc) showing/linking to the FFRC, so people coming to my events would have the possibility to check out other special interest, rich events. |
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09-20-2005 12:38
Zonax, thank you for that insightful post. And I'm sorry our last meeting coincided with your event. I guess it would be difficult for us to attempt not to clash with every single event we're ultimatley trying to support. The good news is we've moved the time up an hour to 1PM from now on. I hope we didn't displace any of your traffic
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Gabe Lippmann
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09-21-2005 01:29
Please re-read the first paragraph of my post. It explains why I left so early. Not having been to the meeting, I can't comment. However, Prat makes some decent points. Meetings can easily go off track, if they even have one. I will echo some other sentiments, though. We need the support and are working on getting organized. Don't let this deter you from helping. This is not a political organization, we are trying to do something we believe will benefit the community at large. It will be difficult, but if we hadn't heard the cry for a wider range of events, we wouldn't be doing this. I would appreciate any comments you have, Prat, that could help us move in the right direction. What do you see as "rich events"? Perhaps, if the meeting format is not to your liking, we could exchange ideas anyway and have them brought up in the next meeting? Either way, nice job, all. I, for one, am proud of what progress we've made and am glad of any and all support/input that we've generated. Thank you all, GL _____________________
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09-21-2005 02:09
I think it would be worth having our own group forum. I suspect we'll have a lot of detail to discuss that isn't at all interesting to other people, and we can save the best bits for general perusal
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09-21-2005 04:42
I would appreciate any comments you have, Prat, that could help us move in the right direction. What do you see as "rich events"? Perhaps, if the meeting format is not to your liking, we could exchange ideas anyway and have them brought up in the next meeting? GL Thanks Gabe for appreciating constructive criticism. Meeting format: Meeting need a goal. Then members are assigned duties to reach the common goal. One member takes the floor and describe his proposal. Then other members take the floor, one at a time, to add or suggest ideas on the proposal. After a few rounds of this orderly exchange, a vote is taken. Then move on to the next proposal until the common goal is reached. After that, you may "bond" in a free for all chat party. Rich events: I guess my concept is different than what this group is about. I was thinking more in term of "long term projects with rich content". To me rich content "events" sounds too much like gourmet fast food catering to entertaining the few who are looking for something new. What I was thinking about are projects that last more than a few hours, say weeks or even months. Projects like accurate historical buildings, with accurate depiction of cultural environment. Or more generally, projects that anyone can learn something from, be it cultural, historical, political, economic, scientific, engineering, physics, whatever... But these projects should be made to last, not just be presented in one short event... So I guess my concept of rich content events is not in keeping with what this group is aiming for. _____________________
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09-21-2005 05:16
Not having been to the meeting, I can't comment. However, Prat makes some decent points. Meetings can easily go off track, if they even have one. I will echo some other sentiments, though. We need the support and are working on getting organized. Don't let this deter you from helping. This is not a political organization, we are trying to do something we believe will benefit the community at large. It will be difficult, but if we hadn't heard the cry for a wider range of events, we wouldn't be doing this. I would appreciate any comments you have, Prat, that could help us move in the right direction. What do you see as "rich events"? Perhaps, if the meeting format is not to your liking, we could exchange ideas anyway and have them brought up in the next meeting? Either way, nice job, all. I, for one, am proud of what progress we've made and am glad of any and all support/input that we've generated. Thank you all, GL Well said Gabe. Sunday was our first meeting. And yes we all make mistakes. On a good note we were able to accomplish alot of subjects that was brought up. ![]() _____________________
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09-21-2005 05:17
I strongly support this group cause what they're trying to do is bring quality events to SL and that is much, much needed.
I think bickering over how group meetings are run is quite sad. Yeah, you can suggest people organize the meetings better, but please don't try make this all about how a meeting was run. Let's all help these people achieve their goal of making all of our SL lives better. They have my backing. |
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09-21-2005 06:43
...Rich events: I guess my concept is different than what this group is about. I was thinking more in term of "long term projects with rich content". To me rich content "events" sounds too much like gourmet fast food catering to entertaining the few who are looking for something new... My vision is that we will support both, Prat. There is no reason something like what you described cannot be supported by the FFRC. We will remain an arbiter of diversity, and that means being open and flexible as to what rich content is. Does that mean we won't have defined guidelines? No, but we won't be exclusionary either. Prat, my suggestion is that you work with us to refine our meeting skills. Maybe that could be your contribution to the FFRC in this early stage. I do appreciate constructive criticism as well. Although, you must admit your post had a sharp enough edge on it that it was a natural reaction for some to misconstrue it as something else. So I guess that's some constructive criticism back atcha ![]() All that aside, it's clear enough that a lot of people want to see this work. There are of course differing points of view on some details, but that's precisely what is needed to foster "diversity". Garnet, that's a nice thought... maybe some day LL will act on it... once we've established ourselves a little more ![]() _____________________
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09-21-2005 09:49
Ryedin: Thanks. I am aware of the directness of my comments. That comes from english being a second language to me. I could use more flowery turns of phrases, but that would be inefficient. In my original post, I just stated facts as I perceived them.
As for helping this group conduct meetings, no thanks. No offence, but I already got a taste of how this would be received, looking at the reaction on this here thread. I did not invent these meeting procedures, they are used in every meetings for any clubs, organisations, local urban government, and what not. I learned these during monthly meeting in the mess club during my time in the canadian armed forces. Yes, I know how that sounds; first do the meeting, then the drinking...LOL Anyway, I'll quit boring all of you with this. I just though it to be a common knowledge. I don't see how I could bring these meeting procedures to be accepted by all. Good luck all. _____________________
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09-21-2005 09:56
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