Warning! Self-replicating Land Scanner on many sims!

Can we gather that from no replies from Pete Fats to people's concerns about misuse of their land and their server's resources, he doesn't give a rat's ass about what we all think?

Can he send out some bots to find your land so that he knows which land to exclude? I suggest, say, weekly basis in case you move.

Careful lest encouraging all ppl to IM somebody turns out to be a TOS violation.

Fight fire with fire and you may burn your own house down.

let's do Palulop! hey it's like the name game.

Palulop Palulop bo-Balulop banana fana fo-Falulop....

I examined this sim, it is infected.

Just to bring some reality into this whole discussion...

1. The Lindens have found no TOS violation.
2. Pete Fats doesn't care what we all think
3. Whining about it in the forums is getting everyone nowhere.

So, I'd suggest either taking some kind of action instead. Abiding by the TOS, of course

Just to add some more reality.

A mail from customer support by no mean closes the question, i kinda doubt that the guys at customer support have any idea of the size of the problem. The information they based their answer on (as listed in the mail) is to say the least misguided (minimal hit on servers? Lasting only 1 second? SUUURE) and shows lack of connection with any in world resource.
Between what is said by customers support and what the lindens in world tell me i definately believe the second ones. And what ive been told by a top ranking linden in world is that the question is far from closed.

I PM'ed some info I had found about these little buggers to Robin. She replied back saying and said that she sending this kind of information to the QA and abuse teams who are looking to see if these are causeing server overload. So dont tell me that the Lindens arent doing anything about this.

~Talila

I hope this won't make the use of semi-automatic know-bots a TOS violation. I was hoping to build one for myself later as a kind of wandering servant.

Then again, my luck would have me getting yelled at because it was virtual robot slavery...


Annyway,

DO it on yor own land and no one will yell at you

Actually, I was wanting to make it wander around and talk to people:

"Foolish Frost is GREAT!"
"You should really be friends with Foolish Frost..."
"If you pay me a quarter, I'll go away and stop bothering you!"


Hmnnn...
For some reason, I sense 'impending doom' (tm) flying toward me like a thousand little invisible knowbots...

RUN!

Something like that would be acceptable.Why? because it would be clearly detectable and thus returnable. If someone doesnt want it in it land clicks on return and all is done. Pete's bot can't be detected nor returned without a long and time consuming effort.

It would still be an obnoxous little twerp, so somebody would have to hate it...

Elsewise, what's the point?

Hiro:

- Temp on rez prims do not affect your prim limits.
- Temp on rez prims are run at "idle" priority. They will only run if and when all of your normal prims have run correctly. This is a very well known property of them, and can even be seen in the jerky way temp on rez prims move. It is the reason why they arent counted towards prim limits, and the reason why their lifespan is unpredictable.
- Your client does not render or receive updates about primitives that it cannot see.
- LL has STATED that this is NOT having an impact on the simulators.


Also:
I am not "blindly defending" a person or a behavior. I am ACCUSING you all of being hyperactive, paranoid, nitpicky DRAMA QUEENS. There's a difference.

This mass freakout is sort of like a reverse placebo effect.
When you have to take a shot, it won't hurt if you're distracted, but you're probably going to freak out if you actually stare at the needle going in and out of your body.

And yes, it is a game. But you're not playing it. You ARE the game. The Lindens are the players. We are all Philip's giant ant farm

SL should be based on freedom. If I want to make a self-replicating, world-traveling script, then I should damn well be able to. Heck, I *WAS* making one, until I was told that LL added a command to get the names of all simulators to 1.6!

There is no worse deaf of someone that doesnt wanna hear.
It's not "LL has stated" but a "clearly misinformed and anonimous customer support guy has stated" and this collides and conflicts with statements made by other (adn more important) lindens in world.



And i am accusing you of being an useless attorney of the devil that does nothing else than damaging the community by defending a clear cut griefer and the ones behind him, benefitting from the data he scans.
Using public resources for their own goals, invading people's properties without giving them any chance to opt out.



So if i want to make 256 prim reproduction of a soviet satellite with countless scripts and listens in them and spread hundreds of them all around the world "I should damn well be able to?" And if everyone wants to send out hundreds of such satellites bogging the whole grid to an halt "they should as well be able to?"

Gawd... attorneys of the devil are so disgusting...

So tell me, do you also don your tinfoil hat whenever an airplane sporting a radar happens to fly over your RL home? They're SCANNING you! The griefers!
IRL you may own the land, but certainly not the sky. It is public airspace.
In SL, you can only ban people from the ground up to 20 meters. Everything else is public airspace.
I'm not being a devil's advocate. I'm having trouble realizing what's inherently wrong about collecting publicly-available data without violating anyone's privacy or otherwise impacting your SL experience.
Your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. The official statement so far is Robin's.
She isn't a clueless support person, she is a Senior Vice President.
If it turns out that she was wrong, and the objects ARE significantly impacting the simulator, then they will be deleted. I haven't noticed any performance problems anywhere in SL, FWIW.
Summarizing:

- Self-replicating: GOOD
- World-traveling: GOOD
- Gathering public info: GOOD
- Lag: BAD
- Drama: BAD

Useful tools should not be removed from SL if someone happens to abuse them.
Whether this is abusive or not, it's up to LL to determine, and this thread is nothing but a gigantic personal attack.

You're right.

You're missing the point.

It's not just about the lag, or the data being collected.

The problem has to do with both of those, yes, but only in part. It's also an issue of respect, personal responsibility, responsible scripting and use of the tools LL provides, decency, determining an important precedent, rights of the land owners, honesty, public disclosure, etc.

There isn't one single thing wrong with this. There are a vast multitude.

Welcome to your simplistic view of Linden Phillip. And of course we love paying for the privilege of being in the farm, and by your logic, everyone gets to STFU because it is his toy and who are we to voice concerns.

Too bad that is ONE plane, not hundreds of them all around the grid.
Too bad, retry, you might be more lucky next time.



In SL you can return items whatever their height over your land. It is NOT public airspace.
Too bad, retry, you might be more lucky next time.



It's impacting my SL experience by lagging my sim without even owning land on it.
Too bad, retry, you might be more lucky next time.



besides the fact that i was referring to the letter Hiro received, you seem to take inn acount only a very small part fo what robin said.
She clearly stated that is the result of what they know SO FAR, but that they are STILL looking into the matter. I am quite sure that when they have the time to examine it properly they will find the impact on sim is much more than what they think now.
Whover has even a rough knowledge of LSL can say that by simply observing the bots behavioir, taking in account their numbers.
MOREOVER she said the folowing:



besides the fact that for now even in 1.6 temp on rez objects seems to be NOT detected by land tools and thus non returnable, she says again they are STILL looking into it, so don't quote just what benefits for your attorney cause.
Again, Too bad, retry, you might be more lucky next time.



I did.
Too bad, retry, you might be more lucky next time.




Stealthy and non returnable: BAD
High numbers: BAD
Too bad, retry, you might be more lucky next time.



...But the ones abusing them need to be troughly punished.
Too bad, retry, you might be more lucky next time.



... that the subject of the "attack" called upon himself with his lack of responsibility and plain griefing behavioir. He is sure not a poor victim.
Too bad, retry, you might be more lucky next time.

What Shiryu said.

Plus, why have scanners? It is so much more of a rush to fly around in person and find public land yourself in person and buy it.

The only problem is there are all these people with green lawn objects that fool you.

The Lindens should just figure out a way to release public land so that it stays under the radar of the scanners LOL. Scanners are ebil. I don't get if you can push them off land once you buy that land tho, or not.

oh, and PS, this thread, which doesn't have me in it, is a perfect example of the FIC and FYH debates, in spades. Perfect!

Actually Prokofy, thank goodness i see many people that would have every right to call themselves FIC attack those bots just as fieercely as i am (Flip for instance), i see just a couple of attorneys of the devil totally lacking any intellectual honesty and trying to avoid a plain griefer and the ones behind him being troughly punished.
Nothing to call the FIC on, attorneys of the devil are common sight in this world, but luckily this case is so massive and clear cut that even most of the usual ones stay put.

What we need is a robots.txt for SL

I examined numerous sims today, suffice it to say, the ENTIRE grid is infected.

The devil w/ his attorney.

Pretty smug for someone who scan sims he doesnt own land in. Where do you get your information? Tell me Schwanson, how did you aquire Tharu yesterday within minutes of mistake being made. You dont own land there. You bought it for 1850 and resold it back the same group who released it, for 7000. Any reason other than greed?

Hey man, I'm on your side!
***Waves pitchfork angrily in the air***

See?