Advances in Equal Opportunity: Where We Are Now

I have to admit, that was a much more compelling diversion than all this insult-flinging and fine-point parsing we are engaged in otherwise!

coco

Indeed.

I'm honestly a little surprised by Yumi's constant mention of "Sandbox Luck" as I shall call it. What am I missing? What multimillion dollar contracts have been brokered thanks to Sandbox Luck? At a cost to which unlucky people?

how is that the same as



???

how about i pay you 1000 L$ and you stop posting gibberish?

What if the other shop were bringing in a tremendous amount of business to the mall and the mall ownership decided to reward them with a special deal on their rent? That is their right to, as they run the mall. It is not unfair to the other renters. Merit based awards are given all the time, as they should be.

BUT IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE MEDIOCRE PEOPLE ANITO

Make it 10k, and it's a deal!

coco

The entire issue of Bedazzle is about their success and promotion, and having gotten a marginally lucrative contract to do a project for a third party client. How exactly where you p right there in the relevant locations when all this was going on to be able to comment about what it does or does not have to do with?

i'll pay you 10k to never post in the forum again.

It's a deal, Jauni. Meet me in game.

But only if the classified and hotline AND technical - building, texture, etc. forums, where I need answers, are still allowed..

And with the understanding that should you ever leave the game, the deal is off.

coco

And I am saying that it's not wize to expect LL to do that.

It would have been far wizer for SLers to make thier own lists and unions - Bedazzle's contract with Well's Fargo should have been the bell of opportunity, not a call to whine!

LL's made a mistake acting as parent to us.

Oh good lord, Cocoanut, don't take the deal. Hold out for at least 100k.

The crucial point Cocoa is overlooking here, in my opinion, is that everyone did have the exact same opportunities that Bedazzle and/or GOM had.

The Lindens did not approach them out of the blue and say, "Hey, at some point in the future we're going to be looking for groups of people that work well together and can get shit done so that we can recommend you for jobs, so, ya know, try and do some projects together and show us what you can do." They didn't have to. Bedazzle did their thing all on their own, and they positively glowed while doing it. GOM took some initiative and created their own market. That is what got them noticed.

Any one of us with the desire, the skill, the resources and the creativity could have done the exact same things they did. Any one of us could have shone just as brightly had we put forth the effort. They weren't good because they got noticed, they got noticed because they were good. Just as anyone else could have done, even without some handy-dandy list.

No, no. Success requires sandbox luck and a Linden blessing. Come on now, read the thread!

Thank you, Jonquille, that has been my point exactly this entire time. There was no lack of equality. Lack of quality, yes - but then that is not Linden Lab's responsibility.

EVERYONE GETS A GOLDEN TICKET CHARLIE!!!

absolutely no posting in any of the linden or discussion forums by YOU, the player, with any account, yours, family's or friends. no alts. Classified forums only.

the deal is binding for eternity regardless of my personal status as it would be my contribution to the positive development of SL and it's community. i would want it to be my legacy were i to retire from SL.

I will conceed that point, Cristiano, now that I see where you are coming from.

It is not that GOM or anyone was "given" more opportunity. And of course, they came to the attention of the Lindens DUE precisely to their efforts.

Now I see what you are getting at.

Again, it is through no "fault" of GOM or anybody that they are chosen. It is the system, though, I have been talking about. Yes, everyone had the EXACT SAME opportunity to be noticed and chosen as GOM did.

But that doesn't always hold true in all instances. That is why having a system that anyone can apply to is preferable. And for so many reasons, I hate to even start to list them, but one is because a group like Bedazzle may not particularly wish to do every job they are offered, and with a more orderly system, they wouldn't have to. (That is purely hypothetical.)

Anyway, I finally see what you are getting at, Cristiano, though my paraphrasing of what you meant may not be very good.

coco

Yes, but wait - it has to also include the classifieds, the Hotlines, and the building, texturing and other such places where one isn't giving opinions, but soliciting advice, or offering advice on technical matters.

It would include me, the player, with any account. BUT - for all eternity, whether or not you, Jauani, the person, continues in SL or not, 20k. Reasonable?

coco

(sigh)

I am not talking about the Bedazzle contract or about multi-million deals in general.

I was answering a specific point, answered earlier in this thread, that stated that "there was no structure particularly working against newbies".

The "Sandbox Luck" structure does work against newbies. It creates a massive artifical advantage for some of them, against which others have to compete, and which they cannot do much about.

And yes, it works at a higher level as well. Because that newbie who got lucky and got free land to make a build on might go on to work harder, start bidding on major projects and contracts, etc. The one who didn't effectively gets nothing for their work and gives up, hitting the Tringo loop or quitting SL entirely, irrespective of what their actual level of ability was.

Are you sure you want to set this precident? I'd hate to think of how much cyphered gibberish might end up on the boards if some came to the conclusion that you'll reward thier leaving with L$ if they coat the forum in prattle.

That's not the case here, though, Jillian. i haven't coated the forum in prattle. Plus Jauani is under no obligation to offer a similar deal to anyone in future. I'm going ingame now, Jauani.

coco

You've asserted this several times. Please now offer actual evidence.

Seeing as I'm meeting with a certain level of success in world (much, I must admit, to my surprise) I really must know what these obsticals are that I managed to overcome. Or, what advantage was I given that I failed to recognise?

I was not talking about you. Nor have I suggested Jauani is obligating himself.

now you are asking for more money for less deliverables. my initial offer was implicitely no forums and forever.

discussion forums are full of opinions regardless of the forum. no discussion forums. classified forums only. forever. you the player. no alts, no family accounts, no friends accounts. 10k L$. as a special bonus, Linden forums are allowed.

do we have a deal?

it would take close to one year of endless prattle though. coco has earned it with a lot of hard work and hot air.