Advances in Equal Opportunity: Where We Are Now

None. The issue isn't, "Can some people be noticed by the Lindens?"

In your case, of COURSE they noticed you. As far as I know, Snapzilla is so far above and beyond any similar endeavor that you'd have to be BLIND not to notice it, and not to choose it.

I'm not talking about the absence of people being noticed.

I'm talking about the absence of structures ensuring that everyone who wants to be considered can be.

coco

P.S. Anyway, why are we arguing about it? As far as I can tell - and as I started this thread to state - it is a done deal. We have it! And it is good.

No, not really. I'm successful. I'm also a greeter and mentor in game, and go to school full time and work near full time outside of SL. And I have hobbies besides SL. Similar situations for the rest of us over here.

It doesn't require that at all. It does require some skill, and perserverance.

Editerr okay. I dont get what you're talking about exactly... Are you saying that 95%-- er. what? Clarify.)

I am going to ask the simple burning question.


Why does it matter so damn much?

So it is. And a big one it is, too. And the Lindens can't possibly get around to them all. Which is why it is good to have these mechanisms so that those wishing to be considered for Linden work have the opportunity to submit their designs.

Unless we KNOW about an opportunity, we can't possibly be considered for it, unless the Lindens happen to already know about us.

coco

Uh, do you really think that the only people who become successful are those who are noticed by the Lindens and helped out by them?

No, I'm not talking about "a structural fault that oppresses the newbie."

I'm not talking about newbies at all, in fact.

I'm talking about having opportunities open to all. Which we now have. And according to Cristiano, had all along. Either way, it's a good thing, not a bad thing. However much you look at it from whatever angle, it just is a good thing. And I'm here to say so!

coco

It's really sad to me that so many people run around assuming that failure is the default mode of life and that success can only be attained through gifts from lucky or powerful people.

With LL holding the developer's list, it's more like Haviland Property Management holding the auditions because Touchstone rents the building.

You're still expecting LL to act as if they were running a game. They aren't, they're building a platform, the games are all ours. It's unwise to expect LL to provide services like the developer's list.

Now, as this is really more on the level of "Joe's Films" renting a space from "Albert's Studio Rentals" out in Pamona, there is a certain wizdom in Albert cooperating with the local tallent. But that's about Albert trying to establish himself as a studio location, not about the actors. It's not about fair, in other words. It's still up to the actors to find the auditions.

There are such structural faults, though.

One of them I'll give an example of because it's actually the result of some people trying to be nice. Some established people will see newbies doing decent stuff in the sandboxes and give them building projects, even sometimes giving them free land. But whether they see them or not only partly determined by how skilled they are, but by whether they are there at the right time or not.

So the actual effect of this "niceness" is that, of the pool of skilled newbies, some are given what - to a new player - is an absolutely massive advantage. And since it can't be given to everyone - there's not enough land to go around - it has the effect of oppressing all the others.

Now, of course, it would be ridiculous to say "people shouldn't help out newbies, because it might offend the newbies they don't help". The flaw is lower level than that - the flaw is in the difference existing in the first place. But there's no way to overcome it? Umm, yea, true. That's the case with most fundamental structure flaws.

Yes, Enabran, isn't that sad? Fortunately, I don't know many people like that.

coco

interesting coco.

so it's not enough that LL provides players with easy to learn building tools. they should also provide us with the means to insure our narcissistic/self centred/insecure ambitions for recognition?



answer: you actually suck but don't realize it. if you didn't suck, and getting known is important to you then you would already be known as there are already plenty of oppurtunities to become known -classifieds and gallery forum, inworld classifieds and "my pics", third party sites, in world advertising, word of mouth. if persistently using these tools is not working for you, then it is because you suck.

Let's assume this is true, for the sake of argument.

So given that we can't overcome the situation, the only recourse is to....

complain about it and likely cause more strife?

as far as i can tell, cocoa is saying:

in a situation where a Linden might be making a recommendation or publicly displaying someone's work, then everyone should have an equal chance to toss their hat in the ring and see if they get picked

cool.

next!


(did I get it wrong cocoa? lol)

Excellent point.

Maybe I miss your point, but yes, it is like Universal Studios auditioning for their new film. Their "Developer's Directory" consists of people with a SAG card, who have a resume, etc.

I am not expecting them to act like a game in this instance. (And in fact, I'm not expecting them to do ANYTHING, as they have already DONE what I was expecting.)

I'm not expecting them to prevent anyone else from doing work for others. I do expect them (or did) to, if they are going to have residents create a build, to open that up to submission by all residents.

Or if they are going to recommend people to the media, to open that up to consideration by them, as well as by the media, for consideration.

For THEIR stuff.

It's really such a very, very simple concept - I continue to be amazed about all the people who think it's something radical.

coco

Yes! Exactly!

God bless the ones who can say it all in less than 5,000 words!

coco

I'm waiting for the first thread that runs along the lines of "OMG I applied to the developer's list and LL hasn't given me any jobs yet its so unfair".

It'll happen.

No "maybe" about it, you've totally missed my point.

i thought you were a professional writer...

Of course not.

If it were true that "they should also provide us with the means to insure our narcissistic/self centred/insecure ambitions for recognition," then we would all be lining up for our turn as Student of the Week.

Come on, guys. This notion of opening up things for equal opportunity to all CAN'T be that foreign a notion to you. And in any case, it's a moot point, because most of my concerns about equal opportunity have been addressed. As I said in my first post.

coco

My apologies for being polite, Jillian!

coco

As I am. And as every writer knows, the hardest thing is writing LESS, not more. What you get here is not my professional writing, that which would be required to say more with fewer words. Cause, you know, I'm not getting paid for this.

Then again, there are just some people who are better at getting to the meat of things, writer or not. My husband is one of those. Forseti is another.

coco

Dammit, I wanted to call that one.

people who want oppurtunities usually go looking for them. oppurtunies are earned. they are made. they are rarely handed to people, because when they are handed out, they are squandered.

No, the problem is not that.

The problem is that as long as lucky or powerful people are giving out gifts at all, those who do not recieve them will be disadvantaged.

It's not the case that success can only be attained through their gifts. It is the case that if person A gets a gift and person B doesn't, then A is probably going to be more successful than B given the same amount of work (as otherwise, it would be a pretty crappy gift, right? ). And that's a pretty strong disincentive for B to bother doing that work, as opposed to waiting around for the next round of gifts.