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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
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11-13-2005 12:12
I criticized the system that handed Bedazzled that contract. Wow. You just don't get it, do you? Bedazzled wasn't handed anything. Bedazzled put out a whole lot of work -- without pay -- to make a lot of really impressive attractions. This got them noticed -- not by Linden Lab, but by Bedazzled's client. What a world you live in. |
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 7,903
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11-13-2005 12:12
But how can someone be a crusader and a messiah when they present things like that?  Maybe you're just mad because we have more equal opportunity now, Enabran. coco _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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11-13-2005 12:12
Wow. You just don't get it, do you? Bedazzled wasn't handed anything. Bedazzled put out a whole lot of work -- without pay -- to make a lot of really impressive attractions. This got them noticed -- not by Linden Lab, but by Bedazzled's client. What a world you live in. Wow. You just don't get it, do you, Enabran? What a world you live in. coco _____________________
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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11-13-2005 12:15
Maybe you're just mad because we have more equal opportunity now, Enabran. Who is we? You and the hamster in your pocket? More than who? |
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Michi Lumin
Sharp and Pointy
Join date: 14 Oct 2003
Posts: 1,793
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11-13-2005 12:16
Maybe you're just mad because we have more equal opportunity now, Enabran. coco yes. Enabran can't stand the idea of the little guy getting a piece of the pie. I met Enabran once and he handed me a business card. It said, "THE MAN" on it, and nothing else. Anyways, I think the Lindens should make things more fun. And they should give people more money, and not just the people who make things, because even socializing is hard work. If they gave people more money, it'd be more fun. _____________________
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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11-13-2005 12:20
yes. Enabran can't stand the idea of the little guy getting a piece of the pie. I met Enabran once and he handed me a business card. It said, "THE MAN" on it, and nothing else. The stupid print shop forgot to put the phone number on it.  But I think people got the gist. |
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Satchmo Prototype
eSheep
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 1,323
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11-13-2005 12:22
Wow. You just don't get it, do you? Bedazzled wasn't handed anything. Bedazzled put out a whole lot of work -- without pay -- to make a lot of really impressive attractions. This got them noticed -- not by Linden Lab, but by Bedazzled's client. What a world you live in. I'm going with Enabran on this one... If you think you got slighted on the Wells Fargo deal, let me see your portfolio. I've seen Bedazzled. _____________________
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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11-13-2005 12:24
I'm going with Enabran on this one... If you think you got slighted on the Wells Fargo deal, let me see your portfolio. I've seen Bedazzled. She's not talking for her. She's talking for the oppressed, deprived little guy who never gets half a chance! |
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Forseti Svarog
ESC
Join date: 2 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,730
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11-13-2005 12:25
Seth, sorry to hear you are going. You've been an interesting mind to have on the forums.
- I think the linden's sometimes stub their toe and occasionally do unfair things, but I do not think of it as a conspiratorial or systematic problem. I didn't read any of the latter in cocoa's post... she mentioned things she thought were problematic and wanted to give LL credit for fixing them. I've been in SL only a few months longer than you Cocoa, but when I think back on Linden projects where they wanted resident goods, all of ones that I can remember were open... things like the recruitment center, the railroads, the starter kits for the teen grid. So i'm not quite sure on that one where the problem was. The developer list and PR inbox are good things, and it was probably just a matter of time when LL got around to doing them. There are a lot more important things to worry about in the RL than SL issues, but if that's going to define your life then you wouldn't be frittering your time away on second life and the second life forums to begin with... you'd probably be working for an NGO in Africa somewhere. There's nothing wrong with caring about your hobbies, or an online community. yeah cocoa and I disagree all the freaking time, not least being this past week, but i fail to see the fuss on her post here. I hate it when cocoa makes unwarranted negative assumptions/interpretations with my posts, and I really don't want to do it to hers. _____________________
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Beau Perkins
Second Life Resident.
Join date: 25 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,061
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11-13-2005 12:26
"wa Wa....wa Wa Wa Wa.....wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa.....wa Wa Wa Wa Wa"
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Michi Lumin
Sharp and Pointy
Join date: 14 Oct 2003
Posts: 1,793
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11-13-2005 12:27
She's not talking for her. She's talking for the oppressed, deprived little guy who never gets half a chance! If the little guy was really that good, they wouldn't be all that little. SL does tend to be a meritocracy. "But what about the people with no merit?" ... yeah. |
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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11-13-2005 12:29
but i fail to see the fuss on her post here. I hate it when cocoa makes unwarranted negative assumptions/interpretations with my posts, and I really don't want to do it to hers. The fuss is her insulting assertion that Bedazzled got "handed" a contract, with the associated insinuation that they were unfairly favored and not the best for the job. |
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Beau Perkins
Second Life Resident.
Join date: 25 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,061
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11-13-2005 12:36
The fuss is her insulting assertion that Bedazzled got "handed" a contract, with the associated insinuation that they were unfairly favored and not the best for the job. Enabran, you must understand. There are few people in our community, that feel they must take a stand for something. This is some peoples way of thinking they will have some spot in the history books of SL. The guy who took leaps into equality. It is bred from a need to feel noticed and recognized. I am always amazed how the few people always raising a fuss, claim to be fighting for "the unknown hard working content creators". Yet I never seen these "unknown" developers step in and speak for themselves. We have had countless threads about these non-issues simply because 2 or 3 people want to be heard and fill a void inside of themselves. Besides the threads started by the people I am refering to. Have you ever seen a thread by someone else whining how LL handles things of this nature? Infact, I dont think it has been mentioned since the last time this thread starter stired this same pot. _____________________
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 16,530
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11-13-2005 12:40
One thing if I may please: it's Bedazzle, not Bedazzled.
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 7,903
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11-13-2005 12:40
Cocoanut, While I am sure somewhere in your mind, this thread was a good idea, it really wasn't. You once again managed to bash Bedazzle in a backhanded way, which is unfair. They were not "handed" anything, and your continuing to say that is insulting to them and completely false. What you have done with this thread is just pointed out how much time you spend complaining about fairly arbitrary things in an online world of a private company. Eboni is absolutely correct - complaining about the horrible injustices in SL is ultimately pretty petty. Take some advice from your dear friend who spends hours a day blogging about meaningless bullshit about SL and degrarding people for every imagined infraction, yet has the sage advice to say "you're worrying about this when people are dying in Darfur?". Indeed. Get some perspective, seriously. Cristiano, I invite you to the off-topic thread if you want to discuss what matters I should be paying attention to in this, my private life. If I am concerned about people dying in Darfur, I would get on the appropriate website for it. This is the website for discussing SL, and as such, my concerns about the little world of SL are appropriate for discussing on the forums about SL. coco _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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11-13-2005 12:41
Who is we? You and the hamster in your pocket? More than who? Is that a hamster in your pocket, Enabran, or are you just glad to see me? coco _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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11-13-2005 12:43
yes. Enabran can't stand the idea of the little guy getting a piece of the pie. I met Enabran once and he handed me a business card. It said, "THE MAN" on it, and nothing else. Anyways, I think the Lindens should make things more fun. And they should give people more money, and not just the people who make things, because even socializing is hard work. If they gave people more money, it'd be more fun. Yes, these opportunities DO make the game more fun, and that's another thing in their favor. It's fun to participate in them, win or not. I love all kinds of participatory things a game comes out with. In TSO, we had contests for stories, poems, etc., with gnomes given out as rewards, and the stories published. I didn't participate in them, but lots of people enjoyed it, and it added excitement. coco _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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11-13-2005 12:44
I'm going with Enabran on this one... If you think you got slighted on the Wells Fargo deal, let me see your portfolio. I've seen Bedazzled. I didn't get personally slighted on the Wells Fargo deal. Anyone else who might have wanted to be considered might feel the process was unfair. The Lindens probably would have still chosen Bedazzled, for that particular opportunity. They would probably still have chosen GOM. That isn't the point. The key word is "opportunity." coco _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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11-13-2005 12:44
yeah cocoa and I disagree all the freaking time, not least being this past week, but i fail to see the fuss on her post here. I hate it when cocoa makes unwarranted negative assumptions/interpretations with my posts, and I really don't want to do it to hers. The "fuss" is because behind each of her complaints was an attack on a person or group. She could have just posted thanks to LL for adding these new things, but she didn't do that - she had to dredge up the same tired accusations all over again. Even when she danced around it (referring to her complaints about Aimee without naming her), everyone knows what she was talking about. The thing about Bedazzle is even more blatant. She was insulting to them at the time when she started her entire thread about them, and she is insulting them now. Her continued statements that they were just handed the contract is lame, and innacurate. BTW I did not raise the issue of Darfur, merely repeating it since it was used as an argument as to why Cocoanut's first land purchase was an unimportant issue (when people are dying in Darfur). Everything in SL is petty ultimately - but it is far worse when you have to step on someone else to make your point (oh we're tired of Aimee, ohhh Bedazzled didn't deserve that project, waahh waah wahh). Processes can be improved, but at the end of the day, if Linden Lab makes their own business decisions and are not under any obligation to do anything. We did not get some freaking bill of rights when we signed up for SL. There was nothing that said "You will have access to every business opportunity" and "we will do everything by committee". They are a service provider, not the NAACP. _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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11-13-2005 12:46
She's not talking for her. She's talking for the oppressed, deprived little guy who never gets half a chance! Well, you know, Enabran, they opened something up and I got a chance. I'm grateful for that chance. Maybe you think I shouldn't have gotten it, but it meant a lot to me. So make fun of the oppressed, derived little guy all you want. But this little guy is grateful. coco _____________________
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
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11-13-2005 12:47
Texture issues are a real, verifiable, and tangible issue for nearly all of us.
Please stop trying to claim that because LL is listening to us about real, verifiable issues, that this means that they are correcting a condition of favoritism claimed to exist by this "we". I certainly hope you don't think you speak for the same "we" that is having texture issues when you speak for "we" who believe the favoritism claims. "They" and "we". What a lame way to frame an argument. _____________________
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April Firefly
Idiosyncratic Poster
Join date: 3 Aug 2004
Posts: 1,253
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11-13-2005 12:48
Can I use this as my sig?  Please do!! LOL!!! _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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11-13-2005 12:51
Seth, sorry to hear you are going. You've been an interesting mind to have on the forums. - I think the linden's sometimes stub their toe and occasionally do unfair things, but I do not think of it as a conspiratorial or systematic problem. I didn't read any of the latter in cocoa's post... she mentioned things she thought were problematic and wanted to give LL credit for fixing them. I've been in SL only a few months longer than you Cocoa, but when I think back on Linden projects where they wanted resident goods, all of ones that I can remember were open... things like the recruitment center, the railroads, the starter kits for the teen grid. So i'm not quite sure on that one where the problem was. The developer list and PR inbox are good things, and it was probably just a matter of time when LL got around to doing them. There are a lot more important things to worry about in the RL than SL issues, but if that's going to define your life then you wouldn't be frittering your time away on second life and the second life forums to begin with... you'd probably be working for an NGO in Africa somewhere. There's nothing wrong with caring about your hobbies, or an online community. yeah cocoa and I disagree all the freaking time, not least being this past week, but i fail to see the fuss on her post here. I hate it when cocoa makes unwarranted negative assumptions/interpretations with my posts, and I really don't want to do it to hers. Agreed, Forseti. That's why I said I wasn't sure whether some things had predated me, things like the railroad deal. I KNOW, though, that the PR Suggestion Box wasn't there before. (At least, I'm pretty sure it wasn't!) That means more people have the opportunity to give their ideas about SL to the media. Nor did I ever say, or even imply, anything about a "conspiracy" to "keep the little man down." Those are all terms used by my detractors. I've only ever asked for these things as (a) the fair thing, (b) the way to make SL more fun for the residents, and (c) much better for SL itself, in terms of variety, etc. As I said in off-topic, and as I have said throughout my duration here, my own appraisal of the whole thing is that they started off in beta doing things in the small-town, family way, but as the game grew, this no longer worked. Now they've fixed it for the most part. Everybody can take note, watch the Announcements and the PR box, and help themselves to the opportunities. And that is a good thing. coco _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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11-13-2005 12:54
Texture issues are a real, verifiable, and tangible issue for nearly all of us. Please stop trying to claim that because LL is listening to us about real, verifiable issues, that this means that they are correcting a condition of favoritism claimed to exist by this "we". I certainly hope you don't think you speak for the same "we" that is having texture issues when you speak for "we" who believe the favoritism claims. "They" and "we". What a lame way to frame an argument. Er . . . Nolan, I didn't "claim" that what existed existed. It existed, to a greater degree than it does now. That is progress. The same "me" who is having a texture problem is the same "me" who was having the equal opportunity problem. The fact that the texture problem is more of a problem for more of "us" than the equal opportunity problem is . . . well, kind of irrelevant. The degree of each problem is not at issue here. coco _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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11-13-2005 12:57
Cocoanut,
I saw your off topic thread. You don't get to define where people respond to you. If you make a public thread, it is open for anyone to respond to. As I said, while your intentions may have been good, your delivery sucks. You probably don't even recognize it, but the entire thing could have been accomplished without this drama simply by thanking the Lindens for the opportunities that they have made available, without dredging up everything else. The fact that you didn't do that is exactly why you are getting negative response. _____________________
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