Advances in Equal Opportunity: Where We Are Now
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-13-2005 13:26
From: Cristiano Midnight Yes, all three things have existed.
Catherine Linden has been in her position for quite awhile, and had posted things in announcements all the time, and repeatedly requested suggestions from people. Furthermore, Linden Lab has always been accessible in this regard. While a specific PR forum box was not there, that is a formality, as any one of us could reach out to them at any time and say "hey, I want to be considered for this" or "hey, Cocoanut makes an awesome ironing board you should consider her".
The Linden contests have been there all along - the recent contests were not the first ones, they have had them at various times since beta.
The formal developer program was already in development. SL has a huge pool of extremely talented residents across a wide variety of disciplines. As such, it makes sense they would ultimately have a more formal developer program where people could get in touch with those with the talents they are seeking and to facilitate opportunity.
So yes, all three have existed. The progress on them is a good thing - what is not is you acting like until you came along and set the poor Lindens straight, they were just this corrupt group giving every opportunity to their undeserving little fan club. That is what irritates me - you were not even here for it, and yet can speak to how things were, no matter how innacurate. I was only here for what I was here for, and I can only comment on that. To my way of thinking, I have wanted things. I have gotten the things. There are still a few more, minor things to get. But - if you say all three of those things have been here all along, and I just didn't see them, well, you may be right. coco |
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-13-2005 13:26
What fresh hell is this?
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-13-2005 13:27
From: Cocoanut Koala Just as GOM happened to be the people the Lindens chose, rather than approaching all the money exchange services.
If I were the Lindens, I would have chosen GOM, too!
But I wouldn't have CHOSEN them at all; I would have announced the opportunity, then solicited bids. I would be smarter, in fact, to do that, in terms of getting the best product for the money.
And even THEN, it is natural that they would have chosen GOM . . . or Bedazzle.
I KNOW the Lindens were in a hurry. They have now FIXED THIS WHOLE THING. That is one of the three advances I put in the beginning of this post, and anyone not rendered insensible by emotion would acknowledge this advance, and how reasonable it is.
How exactly has it been 'fixed", Cocoanut? Do you honestly think that they are now going to do everything by bid? What I have a problem with is your assertion that them simply choosing to reward GOM or Bedazzle with an opportunity because of their hard work and proven record is a bad thing. It is not a bad thing - merit based awards are given all the time. Not every oppportunity needs always be made available to every person. Many obviously should be, but there should also be incentives and rewards for hard work.
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11-13-2005 13:29
i'm just posting in this thread so when i want to read it again in the future it will stand out with a  image.
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11-13-2005 13:33
From: Cristiano Midnight What I have a problem with is your assertion that them simply choosing to reward GOM or Bedazzle with an opportunity because of their hard work and proven record is a bad thing. It is not a bad thing - merit based awards are given all the time. Not every oppportunity needs always be made available to every person. Many obviously should be, but there should also be incentives and rewards for hard work. I agree. LL is a company and as such they can choose suppliers (or partners or whatever) using an criteria they see fit. We, as _users_ of their SL product do not have any bearing on this. Nor should we. It would be great if LL made it a practice to hire some of their talented customers (and we all are, no more and no less, customers) from time to time. but if they don't that is their call based on what's right for their business.
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Enabran Templar
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11-13-2005 13:34
From: Jauani Wu i'm just posting in this thread so when i want to read it again in the future it will stand out with a image. It's going to be standing out with a  image, my friend. Like all the other intentional flamebait. |
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-13-2005 13:36
From: DogSpot Boxer I agree.
LL is a company and as such they can choose suppliers (or partners or whatever) using an criteria they see fit. We, as _users_ of their SL product do not have any bearing on this.
Nor should we.
It would be great if LL made it a practice to hire some of their talented customers (and we all are, no more and no less, customers) from time to time. but if they don't that is their call based on what's right for their business. Of course they can, Dogspot! But they have opened up these opportunities to all their players now. That is not just out of kindness, either; it's a good business decision. coco |
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Enabran Templar
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11-13-2005 13:36
From: Cocoanut Koala But they have opened up these opportunities to all their players now. Players of what? Tringo? |
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11-13-2005 13:37
Problem: If you suck, no one's going to hand you money.
Answer: practice and try not to suck so hard.
The end.
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-13-2005 13:38
From: Cristiano Midnight How exactly has it been 'fixed", Cocoanut? Do you honestly think that they are now going to do everything by bid? What I have a problem with is your assertion that them simply choosing to reward GOM or Bedazzle with an opportunity because of their hard work and proven record is a bad thing. It is not a bad thing - merit based awards are given all the time. Not every oppportunity needs always be made available to every person. Many obviously should be, but there should also be incentives and rewards for hard work. Not by bid, exactly. But they are going to do things by way of the Developer Directory, and that is better! Probably you and I (and others and I) have an essentially different point of view on the whole thing. I understand that people can have the, "this is a business, and businesses can do what they want and hire people when they want and fire people when they want and promote who they want," and that's all true. But this is also an environment where the Lindens do serve as sort of a quasi-government, and the source from which all structure comes. From that point of view, I like to see all these opportunities made available to all residents. They can still choose whoever they like, but no one can claim they didn't have the opportunity to be chosen. coco |
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11-13-2005 13:39
From: Enabran Templar It's going to be standing out with a image, my friend. Like all the other intentional flamebait. Spoken by a true troll trying to make his own fondest wishes come true. coco |
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Enabran Templar
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11-13-2005 13:39
From: Cory Edo Problem: If you suck, no one's going to hand you money.
Answer: practice and try not to suck so hard.
The end. This is how I roll. |
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-13-2005 13:39
From: Kendra Bancroft What fresh hell is this? Fun hell, Kendra! Dive in! coco |
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-13-2005 13:40
From: Cory Edo Problem: If you suck, no one's going to hand you money.
Answer: practice and try not to suck so hard.
The end. Problem: You don't suck, but no one knows it because you aren't known. Answer: Open the opportunity so you can show your stuff, and prove you DO suck, or don't. coco |
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Enabran Templar
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11-13-2005 13:42
From: Cocoanut Koala Problem: You don't suck, but no one knows it because you aren't known.
Answer: Open the opportunity so you can show your stuff, and prove you DO suck, or don't.
Actually, I believe your answer is more along the lines of: Answer: Linden Lab hooks you up with opportunities. Hey! That's familiar. |
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-13-2005 13:47
From: Cocoanut Koala Problem: You don't suck, but no one knows it because you aren't known.
Answer: Open the opportunity so you can show your stuff, and prove you DO suck, or don't.
coco Ok I will bite here. I joined SL as a normal unknown member in January of 2003, and in November of 2003 I started a web site. I didn't have a business at that time, other than a small tshirt shop with naughty tshirts lol. Anyway, I started promoting my site here in the forums and in world, and through word of mouth, and I started to get traffic to my site. I worked and expanded it, added a knowledge base, some blogs, and continually updated it. The site became well known as an alternative to the main forums. When animations came out, I was not instantly sucessful - it took a long time to build up my business, but now it is one of the most well known animation stores. Snapzilla started out with nothing, and now gets over 100,000 visitors a month. Where along the way did I use some secret method to be noticed? I didn't. I worked extremely hard to do so - with a great amount of time and personal expense. As Neehai Zapata so eloquently states it in his signature, if you aren't having sex, it is your own fault. If you are so talented, and yet no one notices, then get off your proverbial ass and get yourself noticed. I have no sympathy for anyone who whines about obscurity. It is within your control, most people just don't want to put in the effort, yet they want the rewards.
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-13-2005 13:48
From: Enabran Templar Actually, I believe your answer is more along the lines of:
Answer: Linden Lab hooks you up with opportunities.
Hey! That's familiar. Yes, Enabran! Exactly! That is supposed to be the idea for the future, isn't it? You know, I swear, only in SL could you hear so much talk against a basic concept like equal opportunity for all. Ima start a new thread. coco |
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Enabran Templar
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11-13-2005 13:50
From: Cristiano Midnight Snapzilla started out with nothing, and now gets over 100,000 visitors a month. Where along the way did I use some secret method to be noticed? I didn't. I worked extremely hard to do so - with a great amount of time and personal expense. You left out the part where Catherine E-Mailed you to let you know that Linden Lab had picked you to be successful. |
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Forseti Svarog
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11-13-2005 13:50
From: Cocoanut Koala Problem: You don't suck, but no one knows it because you aren't known.
Answer: Open the opportunity so you can show your stuff, and prove you DO suck, or don't.
coco well we already have a LOT of good talent in SL that isn't known I think they are not known because 1. they don't want to be known or simply don't care or 2. they don't want to take the steps it takes to become known (many many paths to that end) or 3. they want to be known and try, but suck at meeting people and marketing I really doubt that there are many in camp #3, because sucking at it brings you a certain amount of notoriety too  The institutional changes you've mentioned aren't really responsible for whether talent is discovered or not in SL. |
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DoteDote Edison
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11-13-2005 13:53
From: April Firefly I think that by spending time on these ideas, it is preventing Linden Labs from fixing the Texture problems. Please suspend everyone off of the PR and all the other projects until the Texture problem is fixed. Ditto to this, good lord! Normally I don't respond in these types of threads, but I'm stuck at work on a Sunday and bored, and this stuff is just rediculous - this is what's wrong with the U.S. today as well, too many cries for baby-sitters and not enough encouragement to others to work hard and earn something on their freakin' own! People nowadays think the goal is to work hard at whining, and get something from that - and it's a big waste for 99% of the population. If you think someone is getting favorable consideration for high-dollar LL builds, then you go out and show them what you can do... you work to get your own name established... You spend a lot of time, money and effort on your own, proving your worth, before you get your first big paycheck. You buy a sim or few, and create something that makes everyone say, "Wow!" It seems some people want to start a cable-TV company, and they want to freely use the competitor's cable lines, rather than string their own. What you'll find next, the well-known creators within SL aren't going to wait for LL to bring in clients such Well Fargo. They'll go out and recruit a company to enter SL in the same style - and still gain the US$50/k contract. LL will more or less be out of that loop. |
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Nolan Nash
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11-13-2005 13:56
From: Cocoanut Koala Er . . . Nolan, I didn't "claim" that what existed existed. It existed, to a greater degree than it does now. That is progress.
The same "me" who is having a texture problem is the same "me" who was having the equal opportunity problem. The fact that the texture problem is more of a problem for more of "us" than the equal opportunity problem is . . . well, kind of irrelevant. The degree of each problem is not at issue here.
coco It's not irrelevant, and you brought it up LOL. The texture issue is VERIFIABLE. The claim of a corrupt relationship between LL and the "FIC" exists only in the minds of the few people who buy into it, and there is not profound, tangible evidence to prove this. This is why the texture issue is a reality and your claims are... well... just claims.
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-13-2005 13:57
From: Nolan Nash It's not irrelevant, and you brought it up LOL.
The texture issue is VERIFIABLE. The claim of a corrupt relationship between LL and the "FIC" exists only in the minds of the few people who buy into it, and there is not profound, tangible evidence to prove this. This is why the texture issue is a reality and your claims are... well... just claims. OK, Nolan, I "claimed" everything that I wrote in my original post. I "claimed" it because it was my experience. Now Cristiano has come along to tell me I was wrong on all counts; that none of this was anything new. I stand corrected. But I'm still happy! Even if it is nothing but me somehow inexplicably noticing that these things have been here all along, I'm still happy about them! coco |
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11-13-2005 13:59
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-13-2005 14:00
From: DoteDote Edison Ditto to this, good lord!
Normally I don't respond in these types of threads, but I'm stuck at work on a Sunday and bored, and this stuff is just rediculous - this is what's wrong with the U.S. today as well, too many cries for baby-sitters and not enough encouragement to others to work hard and earn something on their freakin' own! People nowadays think the goal is to work hard at whining, and get something from that - and it's a big waste for 99% of the population.
If you think someone is getting favorable consideration for high-dollar LL builds, then you go out and show them what you can do... you work to get your own name established... You spend a lot of time, money and effort on your own, proving your worth, before you get your first big paycheck. You buy a sim or few, and create something that makes everyone say, "Wow!" It seems some people want to start a cable-TV company, and they want to freely use the competitor's cable lines, rather than string their own.
What you'll find next, the well-known creators within SL aren't going to wait for LL to bring in clients such Well Fargo. They'll go out and recruit a company to enter SL in the same style - and still gain the US$50/k contract. LL will more or less be out of that loop. Well, see, DoteDote, I don't have any problem with showing them what I can do. The problem has been not having a VENUE in which to bring what a person can do to their attention. As the game grows larger, that becomes an even more impossible task. The problem has been that the opportunities are there but we haven't heard about them. Now they have instituted systems by which we can hear about them, and can do that very thing - bring to them the things we've worked hard to do for their consideration. As for people going out and getting their own Wells Fargos and whatnot and bringing them here, I understand that is already going on, and I say - more power to it! coco |
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11-13-2005 14:01
From: Cocoanut Koala Fun hell, Kendra! Dive in!
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