Advances in Equal Opportunity: Where We Are Now

There's a lot of rude going around from lots of different people in this thread.

Yes they did.



Yes they did.



Yes they did.



No.. These things always existed, they just had to be spelled out for people too stupid to listen to anyone but themselves.

And all of it should be condemned equally.

Oddly enough, in some backhanded way, she was saying thank you for not sucking in the way that they previous sucked, in her estimation. She is happy with what they have done, though you can't get a compliment without dredging up the horrible "problem" of people getting opportunities because they worked hard and were rewarded. Anyway, it is all, as DogSpot put it somewhere in another thread, just one big giant cluster fuck. Someone is ALWAYS going to complain.

Linden Lab is not perfect by any means. None of us are. However, they are not the inept, corrupt, selfish, greedy starfuckers that they are made out to be simply because they act as they see fit (and even make mistakes) and some armchair pseudo activists need a platform to stand on to promote themselves out of obscurity. Nothing they ever do will please everyone - the sooner they stop trying and just act in the best interest of Linden Lab, the easier it will be. The fact that they not only solicit and accept criticism, but often revise their course of action is not appreciated enough by the very people who whine for them to do so in the first place. It makes it not worth it ultimately.

They should just say "you know what, we are doing what is best for Linden Lab, and what we consider best for our customers, and if you don't like it, adios". Instead, they have to try to be reasonable and listen to people and adapt and change. For that, they get told how constantly inept they are, how corrupt they are, how they play favorites, how they do this or that wrong. Damn them for trying!

No worries Jillian. Coco has an issue understanding that she could possibly ever hurt others. If she is not the victim, no one is. She has a mean cruel streak that is hard for even tough people to deal with.

Well said!!

I hear what you are saying Cris. And for the most part I agree. I just get so frustrated with this stuff. It's crap like this that makes people afraid to visit the forums.

They hear "oh I couldn't say such and such without someone attacking me". Yet some people don't even stop to think that maybe, just maybe the issues they are passionate about, are the same issues others are passionate about just on the opposite side.

Arrrg!@!! this just gets me so frustrated! Thank you Cris, for words that are more eloquent than mine when I'm so angry.

Oh, I agree.

Regardless of any of Coco's alleged shortcomings, there are people in this very thread who's cruelty and mean spiritedness far out strip Coco's.

An opportunity that existed before the changes and still exists.

Just because you cannot imagine promoting yourself to the Lindens before they ask you to doesn't mean everyone lacks that kind of motivation and vision.

I'm sure there are just so many shy bubbies who are really getting 'opportunity' out of the recent changes... let's see, the PR forum is, well, dead. The only people submitting regularly to the developers directory are, wow, the same folks who always did, and pretty much reality remains the same for everyone except certain insecure folk who just can't function unless they feel they're getting entitlement assistance.

Whatever.

Yumi, I'm trying to follow your logic and I don't see how it floats.

I guess I can't argue that if person A in sandbox gets help deciphering a script and person B does not, then person A has an advantage over person B.

But I don't think you can draw conclusions from this and extrapolate them out to "success" (a highly subjective and amorphous term to begin with).

First, it's only a short-term advantage. Second, person B might actually gain more from having to figure something out themselves rather than having had it handed to them. Third, perhaps by not figuring out that script, maybe B makes or does something else that is infinitely superior.

The purpose of this absurd little scenario is simply to state the obvious (I do that a lot, a jauani pointed out ) -- a person's efforts in a world like SL are multi-faceted. There is no make or break moment that leads or guarantees success.

If person B saw person A receive the freebie, and then sits on their ass waiting for their own freebie, then person B is pretty lame in my book. No sense of self, pride of work, or stubborness in the face of adversity.

If I'm misreading what you're trying to get at, lemme know.

However,
I think Logan's right. Let's get back to our regularly scheduled cory buttahed toast action.

I beg to differ.

So we're in agreement, then, that Cocoanut is meanspirited and cruel, even if she doesn't fall in the top of the heap for those traits?

I have no idea how someone who's been around the forums for more than, oh, a nanosecond could come to a contrary conclusion.

Are you really so blind as to not see some of the shitty comments people throw around here? Is it really out of the realm of possibility that some here do this intentionally, as a tactic or because they enjoy being an asshat?

Nice try. But you and I both know that calling someone out like that is, at the very least, flirting with a rules violation here.

Oh. I totally agree with you that people do this!

I just think we disagree on who the "people who do this most and are the worst about it" in this scenario.

Fair enough.

No worse than calling someone a troll, I suppose.

But that doesn't answer my question.

I think that who is actually blind here is the better question.

But then that would require someone to actually open their eyes and review the history of the past 9 or 10 months objectively. Fat chance.

People have been routinely told that they are horrible persons who connive their way into the Linden's pockets, and that they subjugate non-"FIC". It's insulting, demeaning, it's rude and it's ONE NOTE. How would you like to have it insinuated, as myself and several others have, over and over, that everything you have accomplished in SL is due to not hard work, but simple favoritism? How would YOU like that DogSpot? To be told that for months on end?

Oh, I guess I just broke the Howard Cosell of the forums rule, *DON'T BRING UP THE PAST*, unless your name happens to be Coco, or DogSpot. Then it's A-OK.

I think, however, that two different viewpoints are getting confused:

- The viewpoint that "FIC" people have succeeded only because they are favoured by Linden; and
- The viewpoint that "FIC" people succeeded on their own merits, but now that they have done that and earned Linden's favour by doing so, it is difficult or impossible for anyone else to succeed because of the competitive advantages they enjoy.

The first viewpoint is totally unreasonable and antisocial; the second is more reasonable. And yes, it matches what happens in the real world, but that only applies if you want what happens in SL to match what's happened in the real world, ie, the difficulty of doing individual business rising so high, and the dominance of existing business becoming so complete, that entire generations become disenfranchised.

That's true, but not relevant - it doesn't matter that it's a luxury if some people get it for free. And yes, that means that some newbies are developing the attitude that there's no point them buying land, because if they were good enough they'd have gotten it for free; and therefore if they haven't gotten it for free, and have to buy it, that shows they aren't good enough and there's no point buying it.



You would not normally be too welcome to go around panhandling for free land You can ask for assistance, sure, but you'd still be getting a worse deal that the "lucky" ones.

I'd just like to hear why Coconaut hasn't put the trolls on ignore yet.

if you don't get an answer then we'll know she already has!

Rise above it, Nolan.

One person's alleged bad behavior is not an excuse for other people to behave badly. Because no matter how much some jerkoff might need a virtual dope slap, some days it's better to take the high road.

And before ya start on the hypocrisy shit, I know I'm as guilty of it as anybody here.