Advances in Equal Opportunity: Where We Are Now

The problem was that you'd have to go mining for them.

I cannot believe that a group of presumably intelligent people have wasted so much time
and energy in this thread.

Does anyone here think they've accomplished anything in this thread today except more hard feelings, heartburn and headaches?

It boggles the mind.

And yet, here you are.

I know, I know... it's no fun to act superior unless you have an audience.

The end result was a good one. The OP was shot down in flames. Rightly so too. Mission accomplished. Next troll up.........

Hmm, funny i thought the gernal forum was a place to talk about SL, not to shoot op's down in flames. Eh what do I know, I cannot spell anyway.


I think SL has placed itself in an interesting position, as both a company and service provider. On the one hand, I think there is certainly comon sense in the position that LL is a company and can make decisions just as any other company would. Bedazzle does quality work, so naturally they were recommended to to the work for wells fargo. As so many have pointed out, cream does rise to the top. Look at Aimee Weber for a shining example of that.

That being said LLL is a compnay that provides a service to its members, to all its members, and has an extreme ampount of disciplinary power. Yes MGM can hire who ever it wants to make movies, but MGM cannot force people out of califorina for any reason deemed expedient.

In its relationship to the users of the system, LL has a contractual obligation, implied inot every california contract, of good faith and fair dealing. One might argue that LL, by contract owes a fiduciary duty to each subscriber to deal with them fairly and in good faith. LL, in many way has a monoply on our little market. They have a lot of power to dole out economic perks, as they are the contact point for businesses like wells fargo to enter into the world. I think this means LL should (not must) take great care to be as transparent as possible in doling out opportunities presented to it.

Bedazzle, undoubtably is an organization with skills and talent. But they did not go out a bring Wells Fargo to SL. They did not create or even Earn Wells Fargo's business. This opportunity was given to them by an enitity that has a contractual relationship with each of us.

I don't think its too much to as that LL be sensitive to the issue of equal opportunity among subscribers. Cetrtainly LL is in a position where the appearance of imporpriety can be dangerous to the long term success of the venture. I mean LL is out thier selling SL as the virtual land of economic opportunity, it would be devastating to their credibility if it was found out that lindens were doling out opportunites to residents they were having cybersex with, or to residents who are family memebers. I am not of course saying they are, or accusing any linden of such impropriety, I am simply saying the appearance and possibility of such accusations could be devastating.

Thus fron a good business perspective, it makes sense that LL should make every effort to be as even handed and above board as possible. The bedazzle transaction left a bad taste in the mouths of many residents. This does not mean bedazzle did not deserve the contract, it means LL needs to give consideration to how they deal with residents, and resident enterprises.

Jake, it's been said a hundred times again and again. LL did not put Wells Fargo onto Bedazzle. It's not up to LL to protect it's residents from resident's own false perceptions.

Even accepting that as true, it does not at all change the fact that LL should be sensitive to how such opportunites are put out. If my example is invalid, it does not affect the merit of the underlying assertion.

I was simply mistaken about the situation with bedazzled.

Of course I should not have been. Think of it this way. If I knew what to expect from LL, if they were transparent in the way they handed out opportunity and committed to having a policy in place, then it would be obvious to me that they did not hand Wells Fargo to bedazzled, or we would all have known about the opportunity.

Yes. They should become a faceless nameless entity like the "game" developers of our current RL. Shame on them for breaking the mold. Blast them for actually developing something unique and expecting human beings to be able to share and understand that uniquness with them.

I'd rather all who could not understand LL and SL to leave and set this world back on the course it was meant for, and have the publicity come later... I'd rather that than to have an ignorant mass who wishes for mediocrity, sameness, and petty acceptance in this new world of ours to shape.

You know what, Weedy. That's fucked up.

Because _everyone_ looks bad in this thread.

People get so concerned that noobs might get the wrong impression about SL based on what Coco and some others post. But if I were a noob and read this thread, I'd wonder why the fuck I'd want to get involved in something with people who act like this.

Say what you want about "shooting" Coco down. But shit like this thread is as damaging as anything Coco can post.

Boo_freaking_hoo

Well - it made me giggle.

Sorry, but a few posts hardly qualifies as "being here".

This whole thread is an embarrassment.

*rolls eyes*

And what concern is it to you, if people "look bad"?

Why do you, who has said elsewhere in this forum, that people need thick skins, care?

If I make myself "look bad", it's no sweat off your ass.

I think I know why, and you're not as clever as you think.

What I don't get, Siggy is that some people will be _proud_ of their "accomplishment(s)" in this thread.

Ok, so tell me oh wise mind reader.. For fuck's sake, Nolan, can you NEVER be civil?

You're missing my point. The point I'm making is that for as much bitching and moaning that people do about how bad posts like the OP are for SL, a huge flame war is just as bad.

Picture this. I tell a friend that SL is a cool thing and they should check it out. So I point 'em to the software and to the forums. And when they get here what do they see. A huge thread with people at each other's throats.

As far as "why do I care"? Well I don't care if someone wants to make a jackass of themselves. Hell, I've done it plenty of times as have a lot of others. But I DO care about SL and how people who are not yet part of the community percieve it.

Oh thank you Officer DogSpot, for trying to save us from ourselves!

I don't really mean that. See, I left mommy and daddy's house 23 years ago, and I don't need you to try and take their place. Kthxbye.

I do so love irony, especially when it's encapsulated in one sentence.

I guess that answer the "civil" question Nolan.

I really try to like you. You often make good points that I agree with.

I can see now that you're just another SL forum jerkoff.

AR button is way down here. Be sure to use it.

Quoted for yet more irony.

I'm trying to be civil, Nolan. But you such an irritating fuck that it's impossible.

I've carefully explained my concerns, using non argumentative language you you still have to be a prick.

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I'm still wondering why, in the face of my reasonable post, that was free from any sort of argumentative language that you feel it necessary to be uncivil to me?

I know why, but I can't say.

Then why only address those who have responded to Cocoa, and not Cocoa herself, again? Does a bunch of users picking at each other really have the same affect as people insinuating, over and over, without a damn scrap of evidence to back them up, that the company hosting us pick out their buddies to succeed and fart on everyone else?

To me, the latter is the far worse offense. There are personality conflicts on every forum on the internet. I pretty much expect it when I join a new forum, and most experienced forum users I know do as well. That doesn't bother me. What does catch my eye it the accusation that you'll only get anywhere in a game/platform/whatever if you're a favorite of the powers that be.

People who are not yet part of the community cannot access the forums.

But of course you know this.

By the way, you may be making the mistake of thinking that I care if you like me. I don't. People who hide bias behind false do-gooder facades, when it's really about personal bias, make me ill.

Stop trying to mommy me as part of this contrivance which you pretend is care for the community, and you may find me more "civil" for your ultra-subjective taste.

You should take note that I'm am NOT taking sides. I'm making a comments about the tenor of the thread.



Yes, I think it does. The reason is that that the people who make those kinds of bullshit accusations are quiet voices in the wind. While not harmless, the impact is small (see note). But when many of the regular posters here get into a flame fest, it's far more obvious to the casual reader.

Note: I don't want to minimize how people feel about those sorts of accusations. I can certainly empathize with people who hear this shit all the while knowing it was their own hard work that brought them success.



Understood. But I think the average person understands that it isn't favors or special treatment that gets them ahead. Only those that have a predisposition to that attitude will latch on to comments to the contrary.

Thank you for a civil response.