Pimps!

Where did I say that you couldn't? If you don't like what's going on in your house, you have every right to ask people to knock it off or leave.

I understand that. My objection is only to the idea that we should be willing to "turn off" our relationship in a way that nobody would ever ask a married couple to "turn off" a marriage. We will not do it. Period. Ever.

We would simply avoid anyone who suggested it, which of course is the sensible thing after all.

Personally, my relation with D/S couples has always been a client/seller one.

I have sold my rides to both regular D/S couples and Gorean, and even some vampire D/S roleplayers. I must say that I haven't even found the attitudes that Maklin has mentioned. Usually (can't imagine why) it is the slaves who buy my items and they have no problem on talking with me. The most I have heard are things like: "Master X gets upset with me because I always make a mess with linked objects!" but that could be perfectly said too by a non D/S individual.

Maybe it is because I don't care at all about their lifestyle as long as they pay

I probably would feel unconfortable if a client came to me and had to ask constantly his master/mistress for permission to talk. Mainly because I have little playing time and don't want to waste it on needless chatting...

You said it when you objected to Alex's post.

You have the same right to evict people from your property whether it is a "regular" marriage, gay marriage, interracial marriage, D/s pairing, etc.

That's all that Alex said, and you responded negatively, implying that "regular" marriage is somehow special. If you think differently, I retract my post, but then what was the purpose of your original post?

Oh, and even if someone has the "right" to ask you to leave, that doesn't mean that asking is not offensive.

If you're in a public place, like a club or a store IMO you don't have the right to IM someone and say "you're making me uncomfortable calling your girl pet (or whatever) please stop." It's a public place. They have as much right to be there and to be themselves while they are there as you do. If YOU are the one who is uncomfortable or offended, then YOU can be the one to go elsewhere.

If you are in your own home (and I'm imagining that in your scenerio you are not as I doubt you're going around inviting Goreans and D/s lifestylers into your home) then you have every right to expect people to behave in the manner you prefer and they can be the ones to leave if they don't like it.

As for your other points, granted there are plenty of people out there who call themselves Masters/Mistresses who have way too much attitude, but that certainly can't be applied to all of them. My own Master/partner/husband is actually a very polite and calm and diplomatic person, much much more so than myself. Meeting us in a public setting outside our own home or club most people wouldn't even guess we're D/s. I dont wear leashes or kneel or call anyone Sir or Ma'am. However if I did, If that were the way I chose to behave and you had the nerve to tell me to stop while I'm in a public setting, I'd tell you to go to hell. I'd be the one with the attitude because I'd be offended by your imposing your views onto me.

I help to run a D/s club and I can tell you from knowing many many submissives and Dominants that there is a very simple and polite way to handle it if you dont want to be called "Sir/Master/Lord/Whatever". Say so nicely.

Ex:
You walk into our club and are greeted by a few people there, one of them being a submissive who greets you with... "Welcome Sir".
Your response might be, "Thankyou, hello and no need to call me Sir."
Subs response is usually along the lines of.... "Ok." or "*smiles*" or "*nods*"

See, problem solved. And yes that really is how it works 99% of the time.

I am sometimes absolutely staggered by the way that some people are prepared to pontificate about something without having the least understanding of it.

Well, one thing is sure - I would without doubt lose money at it.

It cracks me up reading all the crap from the vanilla lifestylers who have no idea what goes on in any other lifestyle. Yet they have the balls to sit there and denounce that which is not vanilla. Here's a simple little clue for you and you can copy this down and keep it in your pocket. Lifestylers are going to live their lifestyle regardless of where they are, you can complain till your blue in the face and my girl will still be calling me Master.

I happen to think its putrid when you vanilla couples prance around like happy little sprites, calling each other "cuddlemuffin" "snookums" "lovebunny" or some other such garbage.....but ya know what...instead of imposing my lifestyle on them....I leave and puke in the privacy of my own bathroom

So here's a novel idea....extend the same courtesy

Yep, and then call us "vanilla". Talk about the irony

Myself I prefer chocolate.

Agreed.

I'm not.

I wasn't born jaded, but I worked on correcting that oversight as soon as I could. In that, the internet is a godsend.

Reaching for straws about the use of the word vanilla, wont help your cause.

I would think you would take more offense about being referred to as "happy little sprites"

My cause? What is my cause? I was merely pointing out that calling for tolerance while being intolerant is... well... puzzling.

The term vanilla is intolerant on which planet? Its a very common word for normal everyday man /woman relationships

Admit you were being a bit intolerant in reaction to some previous posts. It is normal, we can all do it some times.

Not quite. "Vanilla" does carry connotations of boring, mundane, flavorless, don't you think? I've always thought it rather pejorative.

no the intolerance came in when I referred to them as "Happy Little Sprites", not vanilla.

While yes I suppose that vanilla could be used as an insult in the same way as calling someone a vamp, a Gorean, homosexual, or any other term that actually describes their lifestyle. Vanilla is the same thing, a description of a lifestyle choice, while it can be used as an insult so can 90% of words in the english language.

Its like with all ahh... "Jobs", there are the good and the bad.

99% of what i have seen in SL is the "classical hearthly Madam of the house" ("that" house)

People in SL go into War sims and shoot at each other, doesent mean they would like to have or attend a war in RL.

SL is a field to play out fantasies, not to make it a second rate reality simulation because for this it is simply to crude, if yah want to go in a club do it RL, much more fun than seeing your avi go though dance animation loops.

The fun in SL comes from beeing creative, creating content to sell or just so, or playing whatever you want and cant do for whatever reason in RL (as long you dont trample too much on others feelings.

I know a girl wich is RL a girl and like to play in Gor.

Not my thing, i dont like the philosophy behind it very much but for her it is fun.

It only starts to get a problem if people take it serious, theese avoid.

If you see SL as a reality simulation your in the worng place, in RL people dont lift of and float away gently or pop out of thin air where arriving somewhere, maybe you have noticed?

Now i feel insultet, cuz i love vanilla ice <NOT THE BAND>

Aww, come on now! Everyone knows that all 'lifestylers' are mentally ill.










Troll? Where!?!

Fortunately, in the real world (SL world that is), most of you uptight people are nowhere to be found lol. Most people I have met in SL have been kind, considerate and very tollerant. Sure there have been acceptions, fortunately, most of them seem to be here in the forums rather than in places I hang out.

I personaly meet so many different kinds of people, furies, ageplayers, goreans, homosexual dragons, normal people, the works. My first port of call is to try and say something nice about their outfit (if I can think of something) and then at some point ask about their Second Lifestyle. It's really not that hard, and if they start doing things I dont particuraly enjoy then I normaly talk to someone else. What's with all the silly childish, "I dont like that they are stupid they are sick, get them away from me"? Sheesh, you would think they were carrying the dreaded internet lurgey.

As for the large majority who don't have a clue about D/s, please don't comment on what you dont know about. I don't go around spouting off my theories on nuclear fusion, do you know why? Because I don't have a clue about it.

It may have once done. I've seen it used, on more than one occasion, to simply denote "not us" -- with no insult implied. I get the impression that that was probably the intent here.

You know, that's been my experience, too, and honestly, now I find myself wondering: am I encountering, without realizing it, a lot of two-faced intolerant people in SL who are all smiles and seem to be perfectly fine with me until I turn my back, or is this forum just unusually overrepresenting an extreme minority?

Well, that's often a source of trouble, when people create words for "not us." That's how we got lovely terms like nigger, chink, fag, etc. If you want to say "non-D/s," why not say "non-D/S." Both are just 7 characters long, so it doesn't take much more effort.

It doesn't trip off the tongue.

Seriously, though. When I say "vanilla" I don't mean it at all derogatorily. It simply means that said vanilla person does not partake of the same lifestyle I do. (I happen to like vanilla ice cream quite a lot, so I don't view it as "bland".)

The thing about labels is that they're both useful and dangerous. It's intent, not the mere fact of their existance. I can call one of my best friends a big nellie queen and he'll laugh his head off, because he knows that I am razzing him. Coming from someone with malicious intent, it would piss him off.

Besides which - "non-D/s" is pretty much the same as "vanilla", in that it specifies a "not-us" - so I'm unsure how "non-D/s" is an improvement?