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Phedre Aquitaine
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05-31-2006 14:09
Bizzy, suffice to say, your experience in Gor are not representative of BDSM in general or MDom/fsub in particular. I do hope that you can be a bit less, ah, condemnatory of others, especially those of us who aren't in your face about it.

But calling Alex "Hitler" on a false assumption about his personal life? That's bloody ridiculous.
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
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05-31-2006 14:18
From: Bizzy Weeks
Im sorry I missed where the lindens commissioned public D/s?

Nice attempt to right hand, left hand it.. But its not the case. Most are offended by the stupidity of the D/s community. I doubt anyone is offended by the stupidity of SL marriage, unless they start wearing leashes and making women look like nothing more then dogs.

Don't sit here and tell me its a lifestyle we should all have to tolerate. If you enter any of my land with that BS, I wouldn't even give you the politness of a warning before sending you skyhigh and trampoling high up on top of my land.

Like he said, a good SBDMRTSHER (or however many fetishes their into that add acronyms) would realize their lifestyle is not for the public eye.

Im sure youd vote for public spurring and spitting on of women in real life, Hitler, but here the toggling is the land owner's choice and can be enforced.


Not by using push weapons. And refrain from calling others hitler if you will. There are those of us of hebrew descent on the forum and in game. I have deleted gestures before that accused people of being nazis and hitler- and I'm one of the tolerant ones.

That being said, it is not 'kink' to me and my sl wife, and we do not scene in public (usually, we have some fantasy scenes to do but I typically recreate the areas or make sure it is in a low travel area) and chat stays in IM. To tohers it just looks like we are cuddling, me holding her on my lap as we sit.

The most others, all they see is the occasional leash grabbing (at event smostly) and her calling me master and me calling her my pet.

To make a long story short - you orbit us without your land being damage enabled, you get an abuse report filed on you. You do it with damage -on- I return the favor.
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Lash Xevious
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Join date: 8 May 2004
Posts: 1,348
05-31-2006 14:21
One day in SL, I will just snap and recruit me some bitches for a harem. Smack dab in the methlab. IS IT REALLY HARD OUT THERE TO BE A PIMP? :p
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Allana Dion
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Join date: 12 Jul 2005
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05-31-2006 14:23
From: Bizzy Weeks
As for D/s. These are people usually with troubled childhoods or coopin issues, as are most fetishes. Weak people need even weaker people to make them feel safe. Molested children grow up with a very weird feel of sexuality. Sadly enough turning them on turns into a reinactment of very tramitizing situations they once were in. Or even abused children, they need that YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH UNTIL IM DONE BEATING YOU, to feel real. Its very pathetic, but hey if therapy isn't working, do what works.
As for D/s in SL. Its the epitome of pathetic. Roleplaying is one thing, I tried Gor and ended up getting banned for my refusal to be every 17 year old boy who thought it was his right's slave. If I couldnt roleplay my free without being collared every 5 minutes, its an obvious fetish based RP. Not even true to the books they base it off of. Those girls who do become pets/slaves, do it for good. Doing it outside of the sim, engaging only in slave sex. Its ridiculas and makes me laugh, knowing that majority of these women are just guys getting off thinking they are doing their character. Not the evenmore pathetic guy standing behind them with their fingers wrapped around their neck.


Your view here is only proof you have absolutely no understanding of the subject. Your angry way of defending your view is proof it would be a waste of time attempting to explain it to you. You are entitled to your opinion, however for the record ... I am involved in a very content, very happy D/s relationship. I was never abused as a child, i have no need to relive any traumatizing moments and "YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH UNTIL IM DONE BEATING YOU" is not my personal preference and not something I tolerate. My relationship is based on so much more than sexuality, it would take too long to try to explain it. To say that my relationship is all about kink would be the same as saying your marriage (if in fact you're married) is all about sex.

From: Bizzy Weeks
Don't sit here and tell me its a lifestyle we should all have to tolerate. If you enter any of my land with that BS, I wouldn't even give you the politness of a warning before sending you skyhigh and trampoling high up on top of my land.


And here is a huge difference between you and I. If you were to visit my land I would gladly give you the benefit of the doubt, allow you to spend some time and get to know me if you chose to. You would not be sent "skyhigh" until the moment you intentionally cause conflict.

On a different note.....
From: Doubledown Tandino
But then... what makes other stupid SL worthy? and the pimpin industry not? Pimpin ain't easy. Being a generic clothing maker, hair maker, shoes maker.... to me it's just as pathetic as a sex worker.


"Pimpin ain't easy" but creating content is? and apparently it's pathetic? Wow. So I'll assume you've never stooped to purchasing clothing or shoes or hair or any of the other content you find so pathetic and so much easier to do than swinging a sparkly cane and taking money from other players who earn it on their backs.

Well your obviously intelligent and well thought out opinion aside (note: sarcasm) I would still prefer to spend my time designing nice things for people to enjoy than make my SL living by honoring one of society's lowest life forms.
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Jack Harker
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05-31-2006 16:51
From: Jonas Pierterson
A real Master or Dominant need not make it obvious, those who can tell will tell.


Ads another item to his "to do" list for if he ever wins the lottery and buys SL...

-- find every av with a first name of "master" and change their last name to "Bates".
Monique Mistral
Pink Plastic Flamingo
Join date: 14 Oct 2005
Posts: 167
05-31-2006 17:12
From: Isabel Hocken
What is with all the pimps in SL? LOL! And all the men being called "master"


Most real pimps in SL are actually women. Or at least female avatars. Like their employees.
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Vares Solvang
It's all Relative
Join date: 26 Jan 2005
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05-31-2006 17:28
From: Bizzy Weeks
I love the SL community here... Its so... True to life.

First we have noone hating on D/s, just pimping.

Traditionally pimps employed drug addicts, women getting banged for their next fix. The pimp cleans them up, takes majoirty of their money, gives them a place to stay, feeds their kids.. And in return these women start banging guys for a better reason then shooting liquid death into their forearms. Hussle and Flow also portrayed something that often happened, Pimp and Trick falling in love in such a loveless enviroment. The socialally played out 'Gimme ma money bitch, orz iza smack cha.' is absolute mud slinging.
Pimps in SL are the same thing as anything else in SL, roleplay. No girl is sitting in her chair crying after her pimp smacked her tits off and took her money. Its more of a 'IMs Jim. Hun this jerk is harrassing me again.' or a good way for girls hookin to not be constantly bothered by guys who think they just feel in love and want a SL commitment cause their hand just got em off with the girls words/actions. Personally when i do the excort thing my RL friend of 11 years is my 'pimp'. We roleplay it for comedy purposes mostly.

As for D/s. These are people usually with troubled childhoods or coopin issues, as are most fetishes. Weak people need even weaker people to make them feel safe. Molested children grow up with a very weird feel of sexuality. Sadly enough turning them on turns into a reinactment of very tramitizing situations they once were in. Or even abused children, they need that YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH UNTIL IM DONE BEATING YOU, to feel real. Its very pathetic, but hey if therapy isn't working, do what works.
As for D/s in SL. Its the epitome of pathetic. Roleplaying is one thing, I tried Gor and ended up getting banned for my refusal to be every 17 year old boy who thought it was his right's slave. If I couldnt roleplay my free without being collared every 5 minutes, its an obvious fetish based RP. Not even true to the books they base it off of. Those girls who do become pets/slaves, do it for good. Doing it outside of the sim, engaging only in slave sex. Its ridiculas and makes me laugh, knowing that majority of these women are just guys getting off thinking they are doing their character. Not the evenmore pathetic guy standing behind them with their fingers wrapped around their neck.

So before you all start lynching certain SL RPers, look at who is actually more off the deep end.



You obviously haven't got a clue what goes on in eastern Europe. Women are forced into being prostitutes by being beaten and raped until they are broken both mentally and spiritually. So don't try and paint a pretty picture about what a pimp does. They are the scum of the Earth.

If the law I proposed was passed today, I would buy a rifle and start hunting.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/slaves/
Jack Harker
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Join date: 4 May 2005
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05-31-2006 17:35
From: Alex Fitzsimmons
It's not kink. It's a lifestyle, period. That's exactly like asking a married couple to "switch off the marriage" for you.


Nope, sorry. There is nothing at all wrong with someone asking people to lay off the D/s play if they're at your place, or asking them to leave if they won't/can't.

Married couples manage to refrain from having sex on people's living room carpets or playing kissy-face when they visit,m and the more considerate will even leave their kids at home when asked.

In the same way, I have no trouble with leaving off the leash, adressing by name, and having my sub stand by me or sit in a chair rather than kneeling next to me when we're visiting someone who might be uncomfortable with more overt D/s play.

It's not like there aren't plenty of places where you can play the part to the full. IMHO if someone truly feels incapable of moderating their behaviour to that limited degree when requested to by their host, then perhaps they should reconsider dropping in on their neighbors period, and restrict their socializing to people who are also into D/s play and whom they know in advance won't have a problem with it.

We all have our own lifestyles, and plenty of places to live them to the fullest. That doesn't mean that we have to force them on others in their own homes if they object.
Aliasi Stonebender
Return of Catbread
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,858
05-31-2006 17:55
From: Alex Fitzsimmons
It's not kink. It's a lifestyle, period. That's exactly like asking a married couple to "switch off the marriage" for you.


You know, I have a strange feeling we've been through all this before on the "ZOMG GOREANS DISCRIMINATE AGAINST FURRIES!" thread.

(Although, in my time with Neualtenburg, I've given thought to jokingly telling any of the D/s varieties that describe the submissive as a "slave" that we don't allow slavery in the sim, thanks to the UN Universial Declaration of Human Rights. ;) )
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
05-31-2006 18:01
From: Jack Harker
Ads another item to his "to do" list for if he ever wins the lottery and buys SL...

-- find every av with a first name of "master" and change their last name to "Bates".


Tell you what Jack. If I ever win the lottery, I will let you borrow the money through a low interest loan, just so you can.
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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Join date: 28 Dec 2004
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05-31-2006 18:20
From: Jack Harker
Nope, sorry. There is nothing at all wrong with someone asking people to lay off the D/s play if they're at your place, or asking them to leave if they won't/can't.

Married couples manage to refrain from having sex on people's living room carpets or playing kissy-face when they visit,m and the more considerate will even leave their kids at home when asked.


It's one thing to say, "Don't have sex in my living room." That's perfectly understandable. It's another thing to say, "It makes me uncomfortable when you refer to her as your wife or 'honey.' Also, seeing you sit near each other and/or hold hands offends my sensibilities. I'd appreciate it if you hid all indications that you're married, or even might be, as marriage is deeply offensive to me."

Of course, a person could say this in his or her own home. The likeliest response from most married couples would be to leave and never come back.

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In the same way, I have no trouble with leaving off the leash, adressing by name, and having my sub stand by me or sit in a chair rather than kneeling next to me when we're visiting someone who might be uncomfortable with more overt D/s play.


We don't really treat it as "play" -- it's more just expressing whom we feel we are rather than a roleplaying game. In the same way that the above married couple would leave (or never show up in the first place) when faced with such a silly request, so would we (Mistress and myself) likely do, and for much the same reason.

On the other hand, I can assure you that we've never felt the least compelled to have sex or play kissy-face in anyone else's home. :p
Groucho Mandelbrot
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Join date: 26 Apr 2006
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05-31-2006 18:25
From: Jack Harker
Nope, sorry. There is nothing at all wrong with someone asking people to lay off the D/s play if they're at your place, or asking them to leave if they won't/can't.

We all have our own lifestyles, and plenty of places to live them to the fullest. That doesn't mean that we have to force them on others in their own homes if they object.

I really can't understand where you're coming up with all this, Jack.

Is there a rash of D/s pairs invading homes and despite the frantic requests of the owners, commiting all manner of disgusting disciplinary actions on their living room rugs? That is what your analogy and arguments seem to imply.

And that is certainly nothing like the situation that started us down this path. Comparing the polite D/s neighbors in this thread to a married couple who can't stop playing with each other is unfair.

Some people take their RPing serious in game and I see no reason why a D/s pair shouldn't be treated exactly the same as a married couple. What's next? Asking people to remove their nipple rings before they knock on your door?

You can certainly ask them ask to knock off the role-play and boot them if they don't. But grant me the same right to boot married people, Christians, guys with tattoos and earrings, etc. If we're going to be uncomfortable around people who are different, let's at least make it fair.
Ananda Jezebel
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Join date: 23 Feb 2006
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05-31-2006 18:27
From: Alex Fitzsimmons
It's one thing to say, "Don't have sex in my living room." That's perfectly understandable. It's another thing to say, "It makes me uncomfortable when you refer to her as your wife or 'honey.' Also, seeing you sit near each other and/or hold hands offends my sensibilities. I'd appreciate it if you hid all indications that you're married, or even might be, as marriage is deeply offensive to me."


Well, their house, their rules. You don't have to like them, but while there, you should abide by them. If that's too much to take, you are within your rights to leave and never come back. What's the problem?
Alex Fitzsimmons
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05-31-2006 18:33
From: Ananda Jezebel
Well, their house, their rules. You don't have to like them, but while there, you should abide by them. If that's too much to take, you are within your rights to leave and never come back. What's the problem?


I don't know. What's the problem with barring married people, Christians, guys with tattoos and earrings and etc. from your home, to steal directly from Groucho? I suppose it would be exactly the same amount of problem -- no more and no less.

I'm at a loss as to what's complicated or confusing about that, honestly. :p
Tod69 Talamasca
The Human Tripod ;)
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,107
05-31-2006 20:40
To each, his/her own idea of kinky!

Doesnt matter to me if yer into gay-gorean-necro-bestial-pedophilia, if thats yer thing & its consensual, Enjoy!
Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
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05-31-2006 20:53
I suspect that most pimps in SL are minors who have snuck into the grid. The rest of course will be adults with the maturity level of a 12 year old. :mad:
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Luciftias Neurocam
Ecosystem Design
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05-31-2006 21:06
How come the pimps here never wear feathered hats?
huh? HUH?
Jack Belvedere
GOHA Commissioner
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Posts: 270
05-31-2006 21:53
From: Bizzy Weeks
Most are offended by the stupidity of the D/s community. I doubt anyone is offended by the stupidity of SL marriage, unless they start wearing leashes and making women look like nothing more then dogs.
Don't sit here and tell me its a lifestyle we should all have to tolerate. If you enter any of my land with that BS, I wouldn't even give you the politness of a warning before sending you skyhigh and trampoling high up on top of my land.


...hands out Xanax, Prozac, and a hefty shot of JD just in case.

Darlin..you need to get more fun out of life. ;)
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Maklin Deckard
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05-31-2006 22:13
From: Kamilah Hauptmann
They came to your house with their sexual fantasies? Cute. (No, not really.)

Their lifestyle play on SL is being pointed out as I type this is a BDSM play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM). Both of them are likely getting aroused with her public humiliation and therefore are putting you in the position of being involved in their sex life.

I suggest you ask them to tone it down or leave. IMO a good BDSM player will respect the host's wishes, even if those wishes are for them to switch off the kink.


Unfortunately, I don't see that happening from experience (especially if they are gorean). You IM them that they are making you uncomfortable and ask them to tone it down, 9 out of 10 will start whining out loud how you're 'persecuting their lifestyle'. To which I generally respond, 'No, I am merely uninterested in your private affairs'. At this point, it usually devolves to the master making a fairly profane scene, the slave sitting there like a useless bump, then they both TP out.

I don't care what two people do in private...but if you people are interacting with me in public I have a couple suggestions -- (masters) drop the attitudes, I am neither impressed or cowed by it and (slaves) speak directly to me and don't call me sir/master/lord whatever and do not ask my permission for ANYTHING...I am not and do not wish to be part of your game. If you can't do this, please don't interact with me.
Alex Fitzsimmons
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05-31-2006 23:02
No, Groucho in fact hit on the truth. The truth is we D/s lifestylers go around invading homes and maliciously practicing our lifestyles at people. No one is safe.

Fear us, for we are legion.
Richie Waves
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05-31-2006 23:21
personally I think most of em are taking the piss.. with muscles set over sized and tiny little heads.. and stupid barbie avatars following them around that are probably men.. that look shite even by RL standards.. so eh.. either retarded or taking the piss.. or in some cases I know just pervs that use the "im a RL master thats why I do it in SL" thing to get girls to do stuff for them.


From: pervy master type guy in a pervy deep breathy voice
"close your eyes and breath hard into the mic"

"your master loves you, you master will look after you"



not making that up btw!
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Vares Solvang
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05-31-2006 23:27
From: Richie Waves
personally I think most of em are taking the piss.. with muscles set over sized and tiny little heads.. and stupid barbie avatars following them around that are probably men.. that look shite even by RL standards.. so eh.. either retarded or taking the piss.. or in some cases I know just pervs that use the "im a RL master thats why I do it in SL" thing to get girls to do stuff for them.





not making that up btw!




Ok, is it just me or did this make no sense what so ever???
Alex Fitzsimmons
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05-31-2006 23:28
From: Vares Solvang
Ok, is it just me or did this make no sense what so ever???


Okay, so it's not just me. Thank goodness. I read it a few times, but all it did was make my brain hurt. :(
Groucho Mandelbrot
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Join date: 26 Apr 2006
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05-31-2006 23:39
How come nobody comes to my house and tries to have sex on my rug? My neighbors are so frickin' lame.

Maybe I need a better rug.
Jack Harker
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05-31-2006 23:42
From: Alex Fitzsimmons
It's one thing to say, "Don't have sex in my living room." That's perfectly understandable. It's another thing to say, "It makes me uncomfortable when you refer to her as your wife or 'honey.' Also, seeing you sit near each other and/or hold hands offends my sensibilities. I'd appreciate it if you hid all indications that you're married, or even might be, as marriage is deeply offensive to me."

Of course, a person could say this in his or her own home. The likeliest response from most married couples would be to leave and never come back.

We don't really treat it as "play" -- it's more just expressing whom we feel we are rather than a roleplaying game. In the same way that the above married couple would leave (or never show up in the first place) when faced with such a silly request, so would we (Mistress and myself) likely do, and for much the same reason.


Re-read my post. I'm saying exactly what you just said above. If you're not willing to or capable of taking it down to a level that the person you're visiting is comfortable with, then you probably shouldn't drop in on them. But I also feel that you shouldn't get offended if that's the case. It's *their* home after all.

As I also pointed out, there are some things that I am perfectly happy to refrain from doing when I'm around people who might be uncomfortable with it. There are other things that I'm not. If someone were to (For example.) have issues with my sub wearing a collar in their home, we'd politely leave and not return.

But for other things...it's their home. There are things that I won't tolerate in my own home, they have the same right in theirs. I won't tolerate pushing Jesus, animal cruelty, sexism or racism in my house. If someone else has certain other things that they won't tolerate in their house, lifestyle or not, I don't see a problem with it.
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