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Joshua Nightshade
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08-31-2006 18:32
From: Elinah Iredell Actually guys I might want to change my opinion of camping because I have upgraded and want to buy land and open a small store. But I have still been learning how to create here to get things to sell, and that means I have a little while to go yet before offering things for sale I just wanted to get the land first . My only real skill right now is making textures and that isnt enough lots of people seem to be doing it. I came to the forum hoping for advice in picking land suitable for a store . I have been looking at first land and I havent found what I like .... the nicer land at 512 is more expensive and I dont know if I want to pay any higher tier fee for larger land. Anyway I still have a fondness for the camping chairs and might still sit in one once in a while if only to chat with people and make a bit of money, but I wont have any on my land too cheap to pay for it lol ...Oh and being a newbie still I have a right to ask , what are sims? How do they work? Are they like objects or prims on land ?Are you saying it creates lag in the general area even if you own a different piece of land ?
And for those people in SL who do not yet know enough to do things like scripts what jobs are out there? And dont say stripper or prostitute please... if you want camping to stop give people another way to make lindens a way you prefer...
Elinah Camping is not a job. This casino in particular has some of the worst rates I've ever seen. You get L$1 for every 17 minutes you sit in the chair. That's roughly L$3 an hour. Roughly L$72 a day, if you manage somehow to sit in the chair/pad for 24 hours straight without getting kicked out or disconnected. 1USD will buy you 290 L$1 right now for less time and energy than it costs to run your computer 24 hours/7 days straight. Camping is of no benefit to the end user. It is however a way for jackasses with casinos to game the system and make it look like they're more popular than they are because they have 20 avatars present in one spot, AFK, all day.
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08-31-2006 18:40
From: Joshua Nightshade You get L$1 for every 17 minutes you sit in the chair. For fairness sake, it is L$2 for every 17 minutes, but it doesn't change that posts truth.
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08-31-2006 18:41
From: Arbitar Basiat For fairness sake, it is L$2 for every 17 minutes, but it doesn't change that posts truth. Such that it is completely devoid of any..
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Joshua Nightshade
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08-31-2006 18:43
From: Arbitar Basiat For fairness sake, it is L$2 for every 17 minutes, but it doesn't change that posts truth. Ah, when I looked it was 1 linden. Forgive me for the mistake then.
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08-31-2006 18:44
From: Guido Columbia Such that it is completely devoid of any.. You keep saying I'm lying but when I ask you to point these "lies" out you're incapable of it. Either back your insults up and provide examples or grow up.
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08-31-2006 18:49
Your lies:
1) You claimed you were locked out of the sim. 2) You claimed I just bought all my scripts and can't create anything myself. 3) You claimed you could care less that I run a casino or have an ugly building, but complained about it anyway... 4) You claimed I only paid $1 per 17 minutes. 5) You lied about the number of avatars were in the sim about 15 mins ago, you literally doubled the figure, and I cought it within 1 minute.
I could go on, but my fingers would bleed..
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Joshua Nightshade
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08-31-2006 18:52
From: Guido Columbia Your lies:
1) You claimed you were locked out of the sim. 2) You claimed I just bought all my scripts and can't create anything myself. 3) You claimed you could care less that I run a casino or have an ugly building, but complained about it anyway... 4) You claimed I only paid $1 per 17 minutes. 5) You lied about the number of avatars were in the sim about 15 mins ago, you literally doubled the figure, and I cought it within 1 minute.
I could go on, but my fingers would bleed.. 1) I was. Twice. 2) I assumed you bought everything, I was wrong, which is irrelevent either way. 3) While the crux of my issue is your camping pads I'm still free to comment on the other aspects which, taken together, makes your plot a source of no redeemable value. 4) When I looked it looked to me like it was L$1, but I was wrong and I corrected it. Like L$2 is such a huge difference either way. 5) When I posted I said at this moment, and at that moment there were as many as I posted. At this moment there are 13 not counting myself. So my venomous lies are two small mistakes? So petty.
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08-31-2006 18:56
1) Highly unlikely you were ever locked out of the sim. 2) Yea, you were wrong, but its totally irrelevant to you that your wrong. 3) Yes, you have a viceral hatred for camping pads.. I think we established that point.. 4) That figure is literally double what you stated.. Big diffrence.. 5) Yea, Im sure the sim population cut in half in 60 seconds and 10 people you claimed to be AFK disappeared in 60 seconds of you posting..
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Joshua Nightshade
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08-31-2006 19:00
From: Guido Columbia 1) Highly unlikely you were ever locked out of the sim. 2) Yea, you were wrong, but its totally irrelevant to you that your wrong. 3) Yes, you have a viceral hatred for camping pads.. I think we established that point.. 4) That figure is literally double what you stated.. Big diffrence.. 5) Yea, Im sure the sim population cut in half in 60 seconds and 10 people you claimed to be AFK disappeared in 60 seconds of you posting.. Are you 5? Yes, it's literally double. But it's still an INFINITELY SMALL AMOUNT. So freaking what if it's L$1 or L$2? It's still JACK SHIT. I don't have to ask you if you think I was locked out of my parcel. I just TOLD you I was. That's the end of the discussion. Myself and others in the parcel have all experienced it, and have all experienced customers telling us they couldn't get in. Again, we don't have to flippin' ask you, I just TOLD you. I've conferred with the neighbors. Have you? Obviously not since you seem to think they love your Yadni's free texture box building in the middle of everything. I monitor when you're online in the sim or not and you've never been present in any of the cases where it's happened to me personally, so how dare you claim you'd know if I was locked out.
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08-31-2006 19:04
You shouldn't mind me when I say this is very entertaining. Have we really been reduced to bickering like children over a matter the other will not stand down on? Valid and invalid points of argument are present on EITHER side of this debate. Neither of you are entirely correct, nor entirely incorrect. You are both stubborn, as am I, so don't get the feeling I am accusing either of you out of ill intent. Furthermore, as of the writing of this (last post was 6:56PM by Guido Columbia - Number 15  both of you have been talking directly to each other, which is what IM is for. Muted or not, without the community being involved in the discussion, why isn't is help elsewhere? I don't belive the validity of either of your previous statements is something the entire grid needs to know. =]
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Guido Columbia
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08-31-2006 19:05
Because there have never been more than 22 people at my place, with an AV limit of 40 you should have never been locked out.. The route you decided to take couldn't be worse, and the last thing Im going to do is reward such behavior. I don't care what you do anymore, just quit posting my name in public forums like you did here. Have fun wasting your time with your little crusade, go bug someone bigger than me, theres a list full of em..
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08-31-2006 19:07
From: Elinah Iredell And for those people in SL who do not yet know enough to do things like scripts what jobs are out there? And dont say stripper or prostitute please... if you want camping to stop give people another way to make lindens a way you prefer... Learn to build. Learn to texture. The two are not difficult.
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Joshua Nightshade
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08-31-2006 19:07
From: Guido Columbia Because there have never been more than 22 people at my place, with an AV limit of 40 you should have never been locked out.. The route you decided to take couldn't be worse, and the last thing Im going to do is reward such behavior. I don't care what you do anymore, just quit posting my name in public forums like you did here. Have fun wasting your time with your little crusade, go bug someone bigger than me, theres a list full of em.. I sent you three IMs, on three different days, asking you among other things if you'd like help fixing the building or not. I did try and take a route prior to the signs. You didn't respond to them, for whatever reason you claim. However, as soon as I put up the signs, I received a response WITHIN THE HOUR. So please don't insult me. You don't want to get rid of all the camping pads; fine. I asked you to take them down to a reasonable amount. 20 isn't reasonable. 10 isn't really reasonable either. You have an 8th of the sim, we already determined you should really be only entitled to have 5 camping people as a result. Why do you need more than 5 pads? I don't think asking you to delete all but five is an unreasonable request.
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08-31-2006 19:09
Guido, serious question:
What do you get out of campers?
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08-31-2006 19:12
The fact that it is the most effective form of advertising in the game.. Bar none..
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08-31-2006 19:13
From: Guido Columbia The fact that it is the most effective form of advertising in the game.. Bar none.. In that case, may I ask what you're advertising? I notice little products, and I can imagine the people go there /only/ for the camping. If they have low enough money to /need/ to camp to start with, I can't imagine you're attracting the right audience. Simply a question.
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08-31-2006 19:13
From: Guido Columbia The fact that it is the most effective form of advertising in the game.. Bar none.. Why can't you take it down to 5 camping pads to be fair to the rest of us in the sim?
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08-31-2006 19:24
Taking the place down to 5 camping pads would remove my location from the most popular list, that would cost me alot of money. To answer Arbitar's question, it does attract the correct audience.. You may not see that or understand how, but clearly I wouldn't be offering them if they didn't.
I do feel I am being fair to others in the sim, I do not max out the sim as many other places do, yes it is busy, but my god, there are going to be busy places in the game. If I stopped someone else would take my place..
Hate the game not the player.. I didn't create the system, I dont make the rules, I just try to be as successful as possible within them.. I do everything possible to minimize lag such as turning off outside scripts and making my own scripts so they don't use any listens, sensors, or other laggy crap. I also monitor all my locations every single day to make sure nobody gets locked out of their sim, that would just be a crappy thing to do and against my intrest as well..
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08-31-2006 19:27
From: Guido Columbia Taking the place down to 5 camping pads would remove my location from the most popular list, that would cost me alot of money. To answer Arbitar's question, it does attract the correct audience.. You may not see that or understand how, but clearly I wouldn't be offering them if they didn't.
I do feel I am being fair to others in the sim, I do not max out the sim as many other places do, yes it is busy, but my god, there are going to be busy places in the game. If I stopped someone else would take my place..
Hate the game not the player.. I didn't create the system, I dont make the rules, I just try to be as successful as possible within them.. I do everything possible to minimize lag such as turning off outside scripts and making my own scripts so they don't use any listens, sensors, or other laggy crap. I also monitor all my locations every single day to make sure nobody gets locked out of their sim, that would just be a crappy thing to do and against my intrest as well.. And there we go, there's the truth coming out. You didn't create the system, but I promise I'm going to have it changed.  You have nothing in your building that, in my opinion, deserves to be in that list. Nothing different from every other casino in the game. Nothing of value to anyone but you and n00bs.
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08-31-2006 19:35
From: Joshua Nightshade And there we go, there's the truth coming out. You didn't create the system, but I promise I'm going to have it changed.  And there we go, there's the truth coming out. You are on a crusade.. Proving why you rented land in a busy sim..
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Joshua Nightshade
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08-31-2006 19:43
From: Guido Columbia And there we go, there's the truth coming out. You are on a crusade.. Proving why you rented land in a busy sim.. Nope. My desire to rent the land was before I realized you were running it into the ground. Do a search dear, I've been bitching about traffic, dwell and camping since before your account existed.
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08-31-2006 19:45
And bitching to me is going to magically put an end to it? I doubt it. Like you didn't notice the 12 dots 2 meters from your lot when you rented it.. There are too many people who appreciate what I do, I'm not about to stop just to please you, particularly considering the route you chose..
2) Don't call me dear.. 3) You've been bitching about it for years? How's that coming along?
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08-31-2006 19:49
From: Guido Columbia And bitching to me is going to magically put an end to it? I doubt it. Like you didn't notice the 12 dots 2 meters from your lot when you rented it.. There are too many people who appreciate what I do, I'm not about to stop just to please you, particularly considering the route you chose.. Too bad none of them live in the same sim as you, huh? No matter. We're done talking. Ta-ta. 
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08-31-2006 19:53
From: Guido Columbia 2) Don't call me dear..
Did Mrs. ShowDog Tiger go to sleep?  she'd have been perfect to respond to this little gray alien dude.
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08-31-2006 19:57
From: Guido Columbia Yes but your so biased your opinion hardly counts..
And by your own admission you bought that land (what a 1,500m plot?) after I have been there for months. And you never said a single word to me until you decided to join the OPs little harassment campaign. You knew what sim you were buying land in, dont act suprised.. Please tell me how I'm biased in this situation! I co-own a casino with a money ball, so we have campers also (about 10 max). I see this from your side and eveyone else's. The reason I never said anything was because who would listen to one single voice if they have total intentions of making money, which you said. I bought the land because I had to, I bought a friend's business which he had LMed in his picks when he left. Trust me, I didn't want that land, but I needed it. Also, just because I get there after you means I have no right to complain about what you are causing and stealing from me? I won't even go into how little land size means in this situation.
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