Ban campers!!

Personally, I like camping chairs. I can listen to the stream they are playing, sit/dance on the chair/pad, and the work on my stuff in Photoshop. That way I can earn a little bit of upload money while working.

But would one of you be willing to leave so another resident of the sim could come in

Seems to me you would be hurting residents not involved in the protest that also have nothing to do with the camping setup

Charisma? I believe the "degrading" comment refers to degrading the performance of the Sim - not the behavior of the campers. I could be wrong, but that's my interpretation.

i dont know LOL i was just making a point that everyone starts somewhere and that it isnt the campers fault so why ban them

HUH

I am not blaming the campers as much as the casino owners. The casino owners with camping spots are the one slowing the sim down and degrading performance, not the people using them. The land owner can set how many chairs, if any, to put there. People always do want free money. However, when that free money for those people equate to lost money for other people, it's not right. I have had people message me (twice as of now) regarding my shop, saying they cannot teleport in because the simulator is full. Many other times, I have had customers teleport in successfully, but then turn right around and leave after they dropped a 'this place is too laggy' comment. My good friend is a 'real estate' agent in SL (I'm still not fully sure what that SL 'job title' is. Land Baron? =]), and she has made more than one comment when visiting my shop about how it is a slow sim. Mind you, not a dead stop sim, or 'the worst sim' but a bad sim, and I trust her judgement regarding simulators over any I would from another source, but that's not the point.
What I'm trying to say is that it is not the campers fault, but rather the casino owners' fault. What if I placed a prim out, with a script that could magically restart a sim on touch (Impossible or next to it, I know. Scripters, save your technical annotations, I know.), and imagine I gave it floating text of "Sim Restarter."
Now, if a random person flew up, clicked on it, and the sim restarted, booting everyone, who's fault would that be? The person who was curious, or the person who designed the system, made it, placed it, and made it public, and even proceeded to leave it there for more people to touch?
I realize camping won't crash a simulator, but it definitely slows it down, and that makes people leave as well, so please bear with my rather improper analogies.

[EDIT]: Albert, we are not talking about FPS camping. We are talking about chaircamping =]

hate to say it Hun but if i were a camper and i was making free money i would care less if anyone else is making money , now you give me the money your making and then i would stop camping

...You quoted it, but did you read it?

who cares LOL honestly i dont care about any of this i was just killing time till the game was back up LOL srry

I'm curious as to why campers cannot simply be creative. I never have camped seriously. My friend told me once "You've gotta try this, it's easy.", and I did. It was a waste of time. Sitting there, getting pennies for every hour. I proceeded to then go back to my favourite place in SL and keep building and expanding my /real/ skills. When I got noticed, it all went uphill from there.
I can see the arguments to this.
"People want money so they can buy stuff."
Well, then maybe they should build 'stuff' for others to buy, and they'll get their money.
"People don't know how to build/script."
That's what learning is for. If you'd like to build, there's the ivory tower. If you'd like to script, there's the scripters group and the LSL wiki (http://www.secondlife.com/badgeo/wakka.php).
"People don't want to build/script, and they want to buy stuff."
Well, then maybe Second Life isn't quite their game, and they should go elsewhere.

My money is the money I am making for my hard work, I will not give it away to campers as a trade-off for them not lagging my sim down.

they degrade the SIM. the sim has a finite level of users that it can accomidate. more users = less resources available for the sim as a whole. the more avatars present in one spot means the more shitty the sim runs. if you're all there for a concert or real event that's one thing, but when the sim can only support 30 people and you have upwards of 20 sitting AFK in camping chairs, that's selfish, that's unfair, and that's heinous. they are degrading to the users and customers actually trying to be present in the sim and you make jack shit in camping chairs. they aren't even worth the cash verse the detriment they do to other users. this isn't conjecture or hypothesis. this is how SL works.

Incidentally Arbitar owns a shop right next door to mine. He and I are going through the same issue as the aforementioned casino owner.

if you don't care, don't waste our time with messages when you're not bothering to read what's posted, s'il tu plais.

Or you know, they could spend an entire dollar and get $L280.

Or even, oh maybe, just possibly...I don't know...maybe not be cheap-ass and get some $L every week and actually help *support* the game they're playing by spending less than ten bucks a month and buying a premium account?

You know, they way they would for *any* other game they decided to play.

I'm just sayin'...

Fixed your post, Joshua. =]

What're you talking about? I spelled it fine. Look.

I calculated it out once and if I remember correctly I think you have to sit in a camping chair 24/7 just to get 1.00USD worth of L$. Get a fucking paypal account, jesus.

Lets see this guy has 8k land in the sim (1/8th of sim). Let say total upper limit for avatars in a sim is 40. Now even going by math, it's apparent that he should not have more than 5 (1/8th of 40) people in the sim for extended periods of time. But.. apparently he feels he can put 40 camping chairs and have them manned at all times.

I say people like this should go and buy their own islands.

I have to say two things:

One, the lag in there is ferocious. I popped in and explored a little. It wasn't ueberhorriblebadsucky, but it was pretty nasty and made flying around a pain.

Two - Abstract Avs ROCKS. I bought two.

Mwah. She did. And my lunch tomorrow appreciates it. ;D

Dont feed the trolls..

Dude. He's doing something original and making good stuff - and I'm picky, because I myself am a builder.

I'm proud to have one of his avs. And my friend dug his copy, too.

Don't sweat it man. I've decided that every time I see camping chairs in your area in use I'm just filing an abuse report complaining that you're launching a denial-of-service attack against the simulator as stated here:



I don't need signs any more. I have a new toy.

I filed an AR. Here it is in case anyone cares to do the same for their casino camping "neighbors."

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Abuser Name: ______
Location of Abuse: near Dosojin 79, 231
Summary: Owner of casino uses multiple camping devices which lags sim

Details: {name removed to protect the guilty} owns a casino next door to my store. He employs several "camping" devices in his casino which get people to stand AFK on the parcel for extended periods of time to receive amounts of 1L$ for every 10 minutes they're present. These devices game the "Popular Places" list because his traffic is not real, but furthermore the effect of many avatars in one spot is devastating to the sim itself. As of right now he has 17 people present, all AFK. Usually there are 20 or more and it's difficult for me to get to my land to build, much less have customers shop. I believe his use of the camping devices constitutes a denial-of-service attack as stated in Section 6 of the Community Standards and it's unfair to those of us who also share the sim.