Ban campers!!

And what if it wasnt camping chairs there? What if he had special effects, poofers and animated scripted objects that caused lag. Would you still be complaining like you are?
LL is well aware of camping, they have been for a very long time. Yet, it has never been decalred against the TOS to off camp chairs.

Yeah I would. Because anything that takes up a disproportionate amount of sim resources when you own 1/8th of the sim is unfair. If it was a real building with something to be proud and showcased I wouldn't care if there were a lot of avatars present. But I don't think I have to express my disdain for casinos any; it's pretty clear.

I own a business in the sim. When I'm locked out of the sim because it's full when there are 20+ AFK people standing on a dancing pad, and my customers can't get in to shop, that's unfair.

I would AR them if they were taking as sizeable a chunk of processor time as the currently-discussed casino was.

Camping generally stuns me as to what lengths people will go for the promise of conceptualized money.

I've taken it upon myself to find the very worst place to camp in second life and see how popular it is. So far that place is the Living Sounds game room which pays an astonishing 1L4 per 10 minutes (6L$ per hour). And when I was there, was loyally frequented by about 10 people.

I thought about it, and if you sat in that camping chair for literally 24 hours straight, without the sim crashing or being kicked off the chair (which happens sometimes), then you would make an astonishing 144L$ or in USD terms: roughly 50 cents. For 24 hours worth of "work" or atleast dedication to one area and being unable to move from it. I've had bigger profit margins from sitting on my couch and finding some loose change (oh god, real life camping! XD)

Either way, if they just wanted to ruin their Second Life by sitting somewhere afk for hours upon end (clubs), that'd be fine, but they ARE ruining the game for others (or more accurately, the people who put up camping chairs are ruining the game for others) by clogging the grid.

I walk the main grid quite a bit, and it seems like everytime I come across a pile of dots, it's due entirely to camping chairs. One time I walked through 6 sims all populated by people, and EVERY single one of those people was on a different camping chair owned by 6 different places. It's very sad.

Sad, and selfish, and I really feel that everyone should start AR'ing these people left and right until Linden Labs fucking does something.

Much as I don't like camping chairs, I hate to see LL get their time wasted by abuse reports like this. This may be a worthy campaign but it takes time away from sorting out the real griefers that happen to be rampant in SL at the moment. If everybody done it the system would be in chaos.

Do you think they're actually taking the time to deal with real griefers right now?

Well if that's the case then what's the point of you telling people to use the AR system? But as you said earlier about "AR'ing these people left and right until Linden Labs fucking does something" you must think they read and act on them sometimes!

Actually. Whenever I have issues. I just personally message a Linden. Things get done faster that way. ^.^

I think they'll do something if there's a massive influx that even they can't ignore.

Actually, have respect for that response and when put that way agree with you. There should be a limit to the # of scripts or lag causing items on shared sims.. that way it's fair for all.
But to flat out ban something seems not right either. What if there was a limit of say... 5 camp chair allowed on his land? Would that make it better? That way he could still continue on with something he sees as a benefit, those who camp out and like to camp can still do so and the lag on the sim would be reduced. Could there be middle ground?

I attempted to make that suggestion with the guy and his response was to liken me to some homophobic Republican who moved to San Francisco to complain about the gays.... which makes no sense as I'm gay anyway.

I'd prefer no camping devices but I think 5 would be a fair adjustment to the 30 he has on his parcel at the moment. Unfortunately, as he learned yesterday when he deleted all the camping chairs in the presence of the Linden, without the chairs the people TP'd in, looked around, then TP'd out. He's not interested in a compromise, he wants to be a bully because he feels that because he has double the land I have I shouldn't be entitled to anything. I unfortunately disagree.

Please drop by at the "Burning Life Camping Chairs".

We pay at least 5 for 10 minutes!!! Yes higher aint possible and no casino tricks!

Search: "Burning life Camping"

Happy camping!

i have a double sided opinion on this subject...

i think camping is ok, if done correctly... i own more than 1/4 of my mainlan sim... (19k + sq meters) and i have 6 camping bean bags in my market... Why? well because its a way for me to help out some people and mainly give my freinds a bit of money... mind you i have 6 and own 1/4 of a sim!....

now with that said... I used to be freinds with my nieghbor, who has about 6k sqm of land (same sim) ... well he has a small open air casino, and it was all good, and freindly..

until recently...

now, he has grown, within a few weeks... and now hold 24 campers almost 24/7

yes he is as new casino that listed in popular places... but to what cost?

he knows what he ahs done, and he seems to not care about anything but his precious popular places listing.


anywho... camping... there is a right way and a wrong way.

i think there should be some sort of limite... last x campers per sqm of land...

I don't personally believe there is a "right" way, but limiting the number of pads you have is a huge amount of progress. The casino next to me has as many pads as the simulator can support and they're almost always in use. It's infuriating.

I kinda like the money trees..

That way ppl come get some Lindens and move on.. No braindead campers and I feel good for spending arround the 500 a week to the "new people"30 days or less).

Guido, let's give you a chance to see what you're all about here.

Please explain to us the existence of all those camping chairs / pads on your parcel. What do they do for you? What do they do for *us*?

What kind of business are you running? Is it a casino or a camp? Do the chairs / dance pads increase your revenue? (I tend to doubt it, because when I popped over there a few times I saw maybe 8 or 10 people zoned out on dance pads but not a single one using any of your gambling devices.) Why such a HUGE space and build for only eight gambling devices?

What was the design aesthetic behind your build? What RL or fantasy architecture inspires you? What do your camping chairs / pads contribute to the sim community where you are, and to Second Life as a whole? Did you aspire to have people come onto your parcel, drop their jaws and say breathlessly, "Wow, that's one of the most amazing things I've ever seen!" or "Look at these incredibly nifty products for sale!"

How does your build make Second Life a better place?

I'll admit it, I have camping at my shop.
Here's my thoughts behind it:

1. Those camping at my store are also in my product update group. A group I use to advertise new items offered.

2. Have a nice chunk of land, and only have 4 chairs on it, so only a small bit of my traffic is from those chairs... and they are limited in the amount that they pay out each day.

3. It's a way for me to promote my shop, and kick a couple of bucks back to those who support me.


I agree that some take it to far. Cant stand places that are just set up for campers. Camp chairs can be a good business tool to an actual business.

I agree with you. They also help attract those newbs who are looking to make a buck, and heck, it will probably go back to the store owner. Then think of future sales when these people have gotten a job or something and have their own money to spend.

Very few people use it rationally in my experience. Every casino I've seen has incredible amounts of chairs. Four or five is one thing, but I've yet to see a conservative amount of chairs. They're always overboard. If people didn't use so many it might not be such an issue.

I didnt read this thread but when I see Ban Campers I think of Van Camps Pork-n-Beans. Just thought I'd share.

It ain't just casinos, either. I've been rather surprised to find many chairs at places that I would figure would get by on conent alone, they are well known and have good stuff to sell. I guess it can turn into a game of "never enough" for some people. *shrug*

Yeah you're totally right. It's an effective way to game the system. The greater problem lies in the fact that Linden Labs still hasn't figured out their dwell/traffic-based lists are stupid and ill thought-out.

I wasn't here when they had the old traffic system, was that any better? I know I've heard people complain that it's removal has killed Events. I would rather the system be flawed, yet beneficial to some good, than these endless chairs.

And it's also true that for a new user, it really gives SL a bad first impression, when the popular places list takes you to some godawful place full of zombies, this is just stupid from a business pov for LL.

Peaceful protesting is not griefing so long as you don't toss..er go against the TOS