SECONDTHOUGHTS: removing telehubs thoroughly sickens community leader
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-25-2005 15:12
From: Ordinal Malaprop Their opinions won't be any more correct if everybody gets them tattooed on their backsides....
It's of some use to know what somebody is thinking if they are representative of other people, even if they're talking nonsense, just so you're aware of the nonsense that people believe, but I don't even know if this chap *is* representative of anyone except himself. And in any case I'm far more concerned whether *I* should believe something, which depends on whether there's a good argument there. Well, I think what you or I believe unfortunately aren't that important when we have community leaders like Prokofy. After all, polling the crowd itself for wisdom is a lot harder than simply talking to one or to goto-guys and getting their thoughts on the issues of the day.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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11-25-2005 15:21
I still don't know what "community" he leads, and how that title's arrived at.
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Cory Edo
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11-25-2005 15:24
From: blaze Spinnaker Well, I think what you or I believe unfortunately aren't that important when we have community leaders like Prokofy.
Its as if the man/woman him/herself was speaking The Truth through you.
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-25-2005 15:31
From: Ordinal Malaprop I still don't know what "community" he leads, and how that title's arrived at. Mostly new users, rental owners, disenfranchised residents. That sort of thing. In some ways, come to think about it, he speaks for you.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper " Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : " User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
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Dianne Mechanique
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11-25-2005 15:35
From: katykiwi Moonflower Trouble is there really is not a good effective system for advertising. thank God for that!  People will have to rely on making good products again, instead of advertising. |
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Ordinal Malaprop
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11-25-2005 15:37
From: blaze Spinnaker Mostly new users, rental owners, disenfranchised residents. That sort of thing.
In some ways, come to think about it, he speaks for you. He most certainly doesn't speak for me. I think he's talking absolute rubbish and I've never heard of him before. |
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Cory Edo
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11-25-2005 15:39
From: Ordinal Malaprop He most certainly doesn't speak for me. I think he's talking absolute rubbish and I've never heard of him before. Welcome to the FIC, your complementary champagne is to the left.
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Eggy Lippmann
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11-25-2005 15:39
From: blaze Spinnaker After all, polling the crowd itself for wisdom is a lot harder than simply talking to one or to goto-guys and getting their thoughts on the issues of the day. So basically you're defending the creation of an inner core, of which Prokofy would be a significant part of  |
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Dianne Mechanique
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11-25-2005 15:40
From: blaze Spinnaker ....1. He has been featured in Fortune regarding SL... I actually agree he is a community leader etc. but this statement is a bit much. How did he go from being "mentioned" in fortune, to being "quoted" in fortune, to being "featured" in fortune??? Please post a scan of the "feature" about Prokofy Neva in Fortune magazine, cause without seeing it I am thinking its probably just a few lines or a mention of his name? |
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-25-2005 15:42
From: Ordinal Malaprop He most certainly doesn't speak for me. I think he's talking absolute rubbish and I've never heard of him before. Fair enough, which community leader speaks for you? If you're going to say none, well, all I can say is pick one soon otherwise you're not going to have much of a voice around here.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper " Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : " User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
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Aimee Weber
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11-25-2005 15:56
From: blaze Spinnaker Fair enough, which community leader speaks for you?
If you're going to say none, well, all I can say is pick one soon otherwise you're not going to have much of a voice around here. Funny you see it that way, Blaze. From what I have been reading, Ordinal is doing a great job speaking for himself. |
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-25-2005 15:57
From: Aimee Weber Funny you see it that way, Blaze. From what I have been reading, Ordinal is doing a great job speaking for himself. Hey, looks like you got some one to speak for you Ordinal! Congrats, welcome to SecondLife.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper " Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : " User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
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Nolan Nash
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11-25-2005 16:07
OMG! I am against fêting other SLers as "community leaders".
OMFG! It leads to rampant favoritism. You know blaze, that which you and your "community leader" are supposed to be against.
OMG! OMG! "Community leader", banned from forums!
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Argent Stonecutter
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11-25-2005 16:17
From: katykiwi Moonflower Trouble is there really is not a good effective system for advertising. Find Places works, if you do a good job of effectively describing your place. For example, if you sell professional costumes... list the professions you sell costumes for. And an important hint, if you're looking for anything related to a wedding, disable searches in mature areas. I don't know what kind of ceremonies these people are thinking of, but ... And Telehubs don't serve even that well as a way to find stuff. Here's a suggestion... for the telehub landowners to get together and implement, if the Lindens don't... when the telehub goes away, put in some kind of directory to replace it. Have each vendor drop one or more notecards and a landmark on it, named with the name of their shop, with a list of items they advertise, and let people walk up to it and... You say: Directory costume Directory whispers: Joes Costume Shop, 6 items, Directory whispers: Mike's Dungeon, 2 items ... You say: Notecard Joes Directory has given you a notecard named Joes Costume Shop ... You say: Landmark Joes Directory has given you... |
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Soleil Mirabeau
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11-25-2005 16:41
From: Ordinal Malaprop I read both of the pieces there about telehubs several times, and I'm still none the wiser about why I should care about the rights of landowners and mall staff over my ability to get somewhere without running into ten million ugly, badly designed billboards and shops selling kinky boots, gradually solidifying in the air around me.
I don't think I'll miss that feeling of panic on rezzing at a telehub, the sudden urge to fly as fast as possible before I get trapped, combined with the knowledge that I never can - or playing the fascinating game of "oh, I've run into an invisible wall, I wonder if I can find my way out of this building while I can't even bloody see it". Yes, I think I'll manage to get by without those.
This guy is a "community leader"? What community is that, then? Not one that has anything to do with me. What he said. |
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-25-2005 16:43
From: someone
What he said.
Exactly! We need more of that around here. All this independent thinking is just reducing SL to pure chaos.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper " Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : " User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
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Tikki Kerensky
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11-25-2005 16:44
From: blaze Spinnaker Let's try to stay positive here.
I think he's definitely a community leader:
1. He has been featured in Fortune regarding SL
2. He owns and manages significant amounts of LL land and deals with SL residents on a continual basis for his rentals
3. He's made a huge impact on the culture, even so far as his vocabularly has found itself to be a big part of the SL parlance
4. He contributes to popular SL magazines, such as the SecondLife Herald
5. He's participated in SL conferences, such as the SecondLife Community Convention
6. The list goes on! So he's FIC?
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Gabe Lippmann
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11-25-2005 17:27
Way to go, blaze. Really helpful once again. I don't know what I would do without you folks. 
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-25-2005 17:28
From: someone Way to go, blaze. Really helpful once again. I don't know what I would do without you folks.
Thanks, I appreciate the support.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper " Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : " User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
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Ice Brodie
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11-25-2005 17:28
From: Tikki Kerensky So he's FIC? I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking this about Prokofy. |
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Belaya Statosky
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11-25-2005 17:34
From: blaze Spinnaker Thanks, I appreciate the support. You earned it, big guy! Go get 'em! |
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Pendari Lorentz
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11-25-2005 17:34
From: blaze Spinnaker Well, I think what you or I believe unfortunately aren't that important when we have community leaders like Prokofy. Drink the Kool-Aid Blaze. Life will be much sweeter for you then.
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Pendari Lorentz
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11-25-2005 17:36
From: blaze Spinnaker If you're going to say none, well, all I can say is pick one soon otherwise you're not going to have much of a voice around here. I call bullshit!!  You haven't had a person you call "community leader" for yourself Blaze, and that has never kept nor stopped you from speaking your mind.
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-25-2005 17:45
Why didn't SL fete Pendari, Kendra, and Ulrika? We would be so much better off..
Sigh.
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Invect Hasp
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11-25-2005 17:46
From: Tikki Kerensky So he's FIC? Doesn't FIC mean "the one on the right"? |
