I would like to thank Ol Fitzcarrido...

If the offense is over $200 or $300 in damages, yes indeed, they do care. How much is overpaid time hourly rate for experienced systems engineers ?

I checked the Find Menu Groups last night, unless W-hat has hidden their group it looks like the Lindens have dis-banded it and probably banned everyone, the W-hat fan club is leaderless also which may be an indication that all the leadership of that group was banned.

I noticed your group no longer appears in the find menu... Why is that??? Or did Linden Labs ban the whole lot of you??? Eh???

Ditto,

awww, lol. You have a sim?? At least you can't blame hellspawn on this one,

<3

have you ever had a hidden group before, magnum? It's not rocket science.

W-hat won't be banned for this.

Even if they were, they have about a dozen other nebulously named groups to hide under. You can't step on a family of cockroaches and expect the species to go extinct.

LF

This is what gets me about this. It has happened several times before. Why hasn't LL restricted the number of generations that can come from one item? When the original prim rezzes a new second prim and that new second prim rezzes a third one, can't they tell that the third prim is related to the original prim? I am sure there is some legitimate use for multiple generation rezzing, but how many do we need?

Writing a script to auto rez towers to an arbitary number of floors was how I personally discovered how fast this can get outta control (seeing how the towers became phys and collapsed on themselves).

As to why? Dunno... Maybe its a restraint they don't wish to enforce, because we're supposed to be responisble people (theres a joke - ME talking about responsibility!) Maybe a more technical issue that we aren't privy too..

Personally I'm against anything that limits or throttles scripting functions - but on the other hand I also accept that there are dickheads that can't see that lil grey area I call 'the line'.

Yes, like Goon Symphony Orchestra, Foreplay Extraordinaire and Virtua Tech Group?

She was referring to an entirely different incident idiot. Learn to read.

Yeah, I agree. There has to be some technical issue going on here. Either there's a technical reason that it must be permitted or there's a bad ass bug that let's it happen.

There are reseasons to not have limits on rezzing too. I have created objects that will keep reproducing. I keep very tight control and make sure to have a simple kill in all of them. I would be very upset if LL made it so my objects no longer functioned. If I remember correctly there is a delay between being able to rez objects from the same prim. Something like a 3 second delay.

Oh come on! Are you seriously comparing racist griefers with homosexuals?

Let me just edit this, in case you really are of the mind-set where you can't see the difference. Homosexuals and furries are decent people who mind their own business, and are part of the community. The moron who caused this was someone who deliberately made his avatar into a racist stereotype, and spent all his time trying to upset and annoy other users.

I see a clear difference.

alright ..no I've not read the entire thread but these are my thoughts...they should be prosecuted...there is precedence to this....this "game" aboads rl economy. Take that away...how is that less than than a felony? Considering all of the profts lost.

Reductio ad absurdam.

What precedence? Where has a user of a game been sued by either the game makers or other players for a loss of revenue?

Also consider that the linden dollar has no real world value, officially. Ergo, it can't have a value in the courts. Ergo, you can't sue them.

At most he'll get a slight criminal charge for a DDoS attack, but it could be argued that the system allowed it quite easily, and because he claims it was an accident, the charge should be dropped.

blah blah blha. All this ballyhooing about legal threats is really tiring. Especially because nobody actually puts their lawyer where their mouth is.

LF

Well I'm certainly no lawyer, and never want to be, but what exactly do you mean when you claim the L$ has no RL value "officially".

If you mean it isn't recognized by any RL governments as an official currency then I'd agree but still fail to see your point.

It's a commodity and it certainly DOES have a RL value. A trading history to RL currencies can be shown from records. RL businesses have been formed to trade in it as a commodity.

Sorry, it most certainly does have a demonstratable RL value, and one that fluctuates with market considerations.

I am not totally sure on this, trying to ck it out. I believe in the States because of previous things being done as this. There is such a thing as "denial of services" law which allows a person to be charged with a crime, for doing just what was done to Second Life last night and as a result we all were denied services.

Here is the denial of service site. Hope it clears up a few things

http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/denial_of_service.html

But the ToS clearly states that the L$ has no real value. I assume that is what LF is talking about.

actually thats not the case, its a fairly complex trick to do self replicating code... you could argue that its 'll's fault for not closing that hole sooner' but then you could also argue the melissa virus was 'allowed' quite easily to happen by microsoft,

basically its probably jsut going to be seen as some form of intent to cause property/asset damage to a business, with an amount of damage essentially arbitrarily quotable by LL to the courts.

Remember when a poor net tech was fined like 2 million dollars for 'used computing time' just for installing seti@home on a bunch of idle terminals at work? the courts upheld that one.

i could honestly see a lawyer getting involved, probably not for direct *legal* action, but more as a way to begin the 'threat' of it as a way to potentially get the specific person responsably for *releasing* the object to 'rat out' anyone else who may have been involved with the actual planning/creation of the device (and honestly, the chances this was a one off one person deal, with no help/knowledge of any others, is essentially zero)

Funny that. Apparently the very real market that trades in it every day doesn't care what the TOS says. *shrugs*

Like I said, I'm no lawyer, but I'd say we are at the edge of needing to figure out how to handle virtual space in terms of RL-value and RL legalities.

This was not a denial of sevice attack, I can cite this from the second paragraph of your own link:
"Not all service outages, even those that result from malicious activity, are necessarily denial-of-service attacks."

While the service was taken down, it was in no way a denial of service. There was no "Attack", there was no intent to prevent you from accessing a service. There is an unregulated buffer overflow vunerability in the coding which allows any object to replicate to infinity with no checks and preventions. It's not a user's responsibility to know every possible vunerability in the code and avoid contact with them at all costs.

Should Ol be responsible that making something with LSL that simply replicates can cause the whole grid to go down? Well that's argueable, maybe he should've known better but you can't expect everyone to know everything about a game, especially when they're new.

Edit: I don't care what you think of the whole ordeal, but there was nothing criminal or malicious intent associated with it. There is no liability for it either, it was a bug, it caused the grid to go down, end of story. Ol got permabanned and hopefully there will be preventions put in place to keep this from happening again. (Heck, less people got mad when LordFly did the same thing with zombies) Please respond to that part of my post.