I would like to thank Ol Fitzcarrido...

Exactly! That is exactly the "condescending way" I was talking about.

I don't even understand what you're saying there anyway. I wasn't out to "defeat" some argument of yours with sound logic. I didn't present an argument that we "should not be making fun of" anybody. I said you're a bad poster.

I'm going to disappear back into the world of community non-involvement and fringe-membership now. Farewell !

Aww, don't! I like you a lot already

If he had been banned at the time he was going round sl causing problems, this attack would never have happened. He was an obvious griefer, and should have been dealt with as one at a time when he was causing offence to individuals. Perhaps the Lindens could take this as a cue that they should be a little more proactive.

I normally agree with you, but 100% disagree here

Some people are offended by homosexuals, should the homosexuals be banned for griefing?

W-Hat was offended by furries, should furries be banned?

I am not fond of bling, should the blingers be banned?

it may be a twitch response to be "proactive," but it is a dangerous slippery slope that is best not travelled

you have the right to look the other way or log out if his avatar offended you. he flicked the switch on himself, but "proactively" banning bpeople who might cause problems is not the answer

These folks attacked my shop as well, though not quite sure what I did to be awarded such a dubious honor. I was in the middle of an event that was being held to showcase the shop, and specifically the new designers' area on that land, my little contribution to encouraging budding artists in-world, when these folks showed up. I won't even go into what it takes to organize something like this; most of you already know the time and effort and planning involved. (And for you who say that art in SL doesn't matter, I might ask you to consider that once people actually see themselves as having a bit of talent, even in this virtual venue, they possibly might consider following art as a career in the real world, because of their experience 'here'.)

I don't care what their agenda is, I don't care what they want, I don't care if they claim it was a mistake or not. I don't care if their tortured psyches keep them awake at night, causing them to log into SL to dream up these little schemes. Bottom line, I don't much care what LL has to do to make sure these folks are no longer afforded the opportunity to log in again under any alt, as long as that's exactly what happens.

Oh yes, let's ban everybody. Look on the bright side: no more lag

No, let's simply ban the smacktards who so enthusuastically go out of their way to show they didn't learn how to play well with others in kindergarten. And let's not be so slow to do so next time.

why do you get to choose the rules others play by? you have land tools, use them. I am sorry that multiple people "griefed" you, and I certainly hope you reported them.

this was meant to be somewhat anarchy (SL) with very few things you can do to get bounced.

An idiot crossed the line and got bounced

the freedom you prolly bragged about when you started SL isn't so fun unless it is YOUR freedom right?

First off, land tools were used. Second, it was not just one idiot. It was several idiots. Third, they were reported, as much as we could move to look for them in the middle of being griefed. And lastly, this is not a government, this is not a nation, SL is the property of the Lindens, and the only rights you have here are the ones you agree to abide by when you sign in as a customer of LL. You have no inalienable rights, you have privileges extended to you, that you agree to adhere to, and that are subject to change without notice. You don't get a vote, other than with your credit card. So, in this respect, the hundreds of people ticked off about the grid coming down because LL was not on the ball about a handful of griefers who have repeatedly shown they don't give a crud about anyone else's being able to log in have a bigger 'voice'. LL is a business, and anything effecting the predominence of their customer base gets their attention immediately... or in this instance, will from now on. Hopefully.

And YOU don't get to be trigger happy with LL customers! Right back at you!



since you were elected as the spokesperson of this imagined group who "give a crud" about SL, please feel free to speak to Phillip. But take this from experience, make sure you tell him exactly who you are speaking for.



Ok, you got "griefed," LL may not have felt that way if they didn't get banned. If they did than the system is working. I can't condone shooting people because of the stars they wear. No one elected you to decide who was likely to cause problems here.

Didn't you ever read 1984? was that what you want the metaverse to be?

This is as far as I got before stopping. It was one person. Stop going on hearsay.

I don't recall saying a thing about banning people who are 'likely' to cause problems. That's your assumption, and you know what's said about people who 'assume'....

I'm saying that LL, like any other business, won't sacrifice the majority of their customer base for the desires as were demonstrated today by a small group of people. It's not me who will decide such things and I was not arrogant enough to state that, so let's not put words in my mouth for me. I'm capable of speaking for myself. LL does not strike me as a group of people new to the business world and I am quite sure they'll do what they need to in order to ensure this will not happen again, because they already know what it costs them in dollars when a large percentage of their customer base becomes unhappy with the service they provide.

And Gawd, I am so tired of people blathering about the Metaverse. Please, people, it's a venue of communication every bit as revolutionary as a telephone was in its first days. This is not a separate state of being. It's an addition to BEING, period.

And Trinity needed to DIE FASTER in the last movie. Thanks.

Not heresay. I was in Garrison. I was there. It was more than one person.

All that keeps running through my head as I read this thread and some of the responses of not blaming a whole group is *guilt by association*. It happens and sometimes it becomes rightfully applicable. The nice thing is that it's rectifyable, but only if a person takes personal responsibility and makes some changes in who they choose to associate with. There will always be *followers* with the wgaf attitude but for them, they will someday learn that karma really is a boomarang.

I shun violent activity and would never condone whats been done but still i'm impressed by the scale of the attack, that had to take alot of doing, if you've got talent like that why don't you turn it to more creative projects?

Very well said!

EXACTLY! They are pissing me off as well.

Because its easier to grief than it is to create. You need talent to create.

Yikes!

Yes, the FBI can be contacted to arrest this person who brought down the World. There are many laws that allow the FBI to arrest this person and from what I can see he has broke more than 1 law.

If he is not in the US it would be a bit different, depending upon what the local law says about bringing down a Computer System.

Eep!

The FBI won't give a shit, because SL is an entertainment medium. It isn't vital infrastructure by a long shot.

The legal system goes "meh" when it comes to virtual space.

LF

not really - 2 prims and a script could make it happen really really fast - someone even had a link on how to do it in their sig line...

Its not hard - it's dead easy - if it were even remotely difficult I could have a tiny bit of respect based on the knowledge needed to do it...

As it is I think the perpetrator probably shat their pants when they realized what was going on, and how it got outta control.

School Yard Bullies eh, That rates as the worst excuse I have ever heard.

Actually they will. And they Do care.