Gay Themed Sim!

Aqua, I'm curious how you found this ancient thread and why you resurrected it with a reply as though it happened yesterday?

That's right, if it wasn't for Alan Turing, we wouldn't have SL. Or AI. Or computers, probably.

And don't forget Leo DaVinci.

The same tired bigotry gets rehashed every time this issue has been raised, often times with the exact same players involved. If someone wants to build a sim with a gay theme, let them. It will be a success or it will flop, either way, it has every right to be there, as much as any other theme does. Hell I might just start a Latino sim for the hell of it. Gay people have a rich cultural history all their own, and a need to congregate with like minded people without fear of recrimination. Too bad they get that time and time again, even in a place as "enlightened" as Second Life. Good luck to whoever implements a gay sim.

A Latino sim would be awesome.

See, hetro sims like to 'hug' sims of the opposite sex, while gay sims like to 'hug' sims of the same sex.

Now the reall hard part is trying to tell the sex of a sim, first you have to turn them over ... well talk to me in game

Well, I started to read this whole thread, but gosh is it long winded so I've just skipped to the end
Altho I do not currently own a WHOLE sim (drat!) I do have a little Lesbian Community with a nice sized Island in Ambat. We hold Lesbian and GLBT events, welcome all folks that aint jerks, and generally have a good time.
I agree that those who want to, just WILL. Why bother wasting all this energy debating, when it is so much more fun to build and dream and MAKE in this world what you will, and easy enough to find like minded individuals to help you achieve your goals.
Should there be a gay themed sim????? Yup and as soon as I can afford a whole sim I'll let ya all know.

i'm one of the charter members of lesbian second life and can attest to the fact that it is my favorite place in second life. i have, for the most part, enjoyed most of my time in sl because of the presence of that place and the girls who are members. i have a sense of belonging, of friendship, and most of all, of family there.

the only other place that gives me that kind of good feeling would be seacliff, and in both cases, it is because the places are designed pretty much with one idea in mind: fun.

debate is fine, but that's not what i'm logging on to sl for. i come here to enjoy myself. i enjoy myself in the areas i find i can identify the most with. that's pretty much it.

I think a Gay themed sim is a really nice idea. Poor Baltus wanted a place where his lifestyle wouldn't cause a firestorm of controversy and in saying so, caused a firestorm controversy.

I suspect a gay themed sim would look alot like any other sim. But the builders and occupants would be able to express themselves with less fear of what happened to Baltus on this forum.

If the sim is ever created I would be happy to lend my services in building and texturing.

-aimee

Damn, I missed a great thread, obviously. But since it's been raised from the dead again, I think I should say something someone failed to mention at the very start of it.



Because the TOS says so.

The TOS clearly states that any sexual activity must be held in areas that are not easily visible by passers-by. This means it has to be held in an enclosed area.

Simple, no?

Moleculor,

Not only is this thread ancient, your comment is out of context.

You are assuming a gay themed sim would be one where sexual activites are taking place. While this is a possibility for ANY group of persons, the thought that a gay themed sim would definatley be one where sex was taking place is a stretch... especially considering when this thread was started.

Sex is much more commonplace in game now than it used to be. You used to have to really search to find such places.

Please read the whole thread next time and consider when it was started and how things might have changed.

Regards

Misnomer

And I noted both in my post.

My post was in reference to CrowCatcher's mentioning that anything that would occur that would be specifically related to people being gay that would be different behaviour than anyone else.

Beyond sexuality, I can't think of anything else that 'defines' homosexuality. And since sexuality (homo or hetero) HAS to occur behind closed doors, then what CrowCatcher said was entirely accurate. If you're trying to tell me that all gays like rainbows, or all gays like ponies, and that those things will ALSO make it a 'gay' sim (and as such, those things would not be occuring behind closed doors), then you're the bigot in this thread.

Your post specifically quotes me.

I'm not really sure how you are trying to color me a bigot. Clear this up for me.

Barring the assumed sexual activity a "Gay Themed" sim could contain anything.

The Castro here in San Francisco is a good example. There are resteraunts, stores of all kinds, homes, a gas station or two and a couple of bars. It's just a regular neighborhood where gay persons have come together.

There are some who would believe there is sex in the streets during the day with perversion & pets. I doubt there is any more (or less) perversion in hetrosexual lifestyles than in homosexual.

As with any stereotyped minority group, no two homosexuals are going to be the same in preferences or activities. BUT. Homosexuality is much more than sex and cannot be defined simply by what goes on behind closed bedroom doors or during gay pride events. I'm not going to compare it to being Black, because that isn't really right, but you could compare it to being Jewish, perhaps.
I imagine the majority of the activity in a gay sim would simply be constant bitching about other residents, just the same as in any other sim.

Precisely! So when CrowCatcher said:



He was being EXACTLY right. The only thing that would differentiate the sim from others would be the people in it, and the only thing that would differentiate THEM from the rest of us is who they fuck BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. Because fucking has to occur behind closed doors, EVEN IN MATURE SIMS. So your post to him about his post was an overreaction.

Like I said, you are taking it out of context. He said:




Which is assuming all that is gay is sex.

Not true.



To you, I am THEM. I am also much, much more than you think. You assume much too much.

Gay Republican, at your service . Well, really more Libertarian, but a Libertarian vote is a throw-away vote, LOL.

OK, so I have read 3-4 pages of this topic, and believe it's sanity check time. Here's my take. I own a gay club in SL. The xenophobia/gay-ghetto arguments have come up even within that smaller context. Like a telehub or a town square, it's simply a meeting place, not a final destination.

Just because there may eventually be a gay-themed sim doesn't mean that people who identify with it's "culture" are forever confined to that one sim. And likewise, I would venture a guess that non-griefers of any persuasion would be more than welcome there.

My point is this. I rarely visit overtly gay establishments, but when I do, it's a brief respite from the pressures from the rest of the world. A time where I can hang out with people of similar background and worldview. The rest of the time, I intermingle with the aggregate community just like any other anonymous slug in a medium-sized American city. That said, I concur with Cristiano's sentiment. Such an experiment will succeed or fail on its own merits. It's hardly worthy of this level of rhetoric, dont' you agree?

I've got both female and male avs, and I use both from time to time. I bet a lot of SLers do too. This makes us virtual cross-dressers, and we demand our place in the gay sim!

Seriousness aside, though...

I think that a gay-themed sim can work. But instead of rainbows and "girly-man" stuff, which is quite well-represented elsewhere in SL (Guys with wings, I'm looking at you!) we should really go all out on the "camp as a row of tents" angle.

Noel Coward shops with red velvet dressing-gowns for sale, an area devoted to Priscilla: Queen Of The Desert, Oscar Wilde play events, Liberace fashion shows with hired models, Bee Gees disco nights, etc.

See, the best kind of theme is one that focuses on the FUN. Too serious, and it becomes a sterile monument. Only half-serious, though, and the AIDS memorial will be all the more poignant.

Just my two newbie $L.

This entire thread is a moot point now that LL has cut support for themed communities. Individual residents or a group can just buy an island sim and make it whatever they want. I vote we change this to a "Who wants to pitch in on a big gay island" purchase.

Count me in

Yes, but the decor would be MUCH better than any other sim.

Alternatively, a group could get together and agree to bid at auction - and collude on the bidding so that they arent bidding against each other, of course. That would save the headache of one person having to own the whole sim. I would be up for something like that.

Gay isn't a theme! Period, end of thread! There are already gay clubs and huge gay groups on SL, so there really shouldn't be a problem with this anymore, can we just move on?

The original poster wants to corral all the gay people into one sim in self segregation, same thing that black culture does to keep itself seperate from white culture. This is SECOND life, you're supposed to try things, mingle and meet and such.

While this post is flamebait (no pun intended) I'd like to say that I'm bisexual, and that segregation sucks, whether it's formal or informal, enforced or voluntary.

So does homogenization.

Mmm. Milk!

Does a body good, and to us bois, that makes all the difference in the world.