I have had enough

Alright this another say on this age play thing.

I own 2 private islands on second life, called cub conclave and kit estates, and yes they are babyfur themed sims. We do not do anything sexual out in the open. We are now the target of an anti-ageplay rule that threatens the very existance of these islands. We are targeted because we look young, yet if we were like EVERY OTHER FURRY SIM we could look normal age and f%$# anything and anywhere at anytime as long as the sim says mature and thats fine!

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A SICK AND SADISTIC JOKE? How are we the target of this when the lindens let that go and say thats fine instead? I am a furry and I am not even tolerated in most of their sims because I look young! Lindens, Second Life residents, all of you need to get your heads out of your $#@ and realize what is going on here is completely wrong and needs to be stopped!

Raven,

Were you served with one of these age-play notecards in-world?

Max

Your joking right?!

Raven i feel deeply for your troubles. I agree this is a sick joke for LL to pull on us. I have been to your sims many times even with a alt. It's a very clean community, and i really enjoyed spending time there. Of course having baby furs run up to me saying MOMMY!! and wanting me to change their diapers, was a little bit of a turn off... However I look past that because it's role play, and i believe we should be able to role play as what ever we wish. I will stand by my beliefs till Linden Lab changed there motto "Your World, Your Imagination!", to something less free thinking. I was in the meeting today and i heard all about how "Furries will be next". It deeply saddens me that humanity is so intolerant and selfish that they can't even let other people do their own thing and they have to do what ever it takes to ruin them. This is only 1 of the many things i dislike about Linden Lab. I could rant for a hour or two but i wont. Best of luck to you raven. Hopefully something can be worked out hun.

Agreed, just because someone appears underage does not make them underage. Simulated porn that involves actresses that attempt to look like children but actually are not has been legal in the united states and the Supreme Court found it legal.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition

You can find a good summary of this case there and if you look here:

http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-795.ZS.html

you can find a reliable unchanged unabridged source with all the information on the case.

Frankly not only is Linden Labs banning of ageplay in Second Life Illegal. It is also a deeply troubling infringment upon human rights and our basic freedom of speech. Does the ACLU really have to get involved? Because I think theyd be willing too.

Funny. Really, really funny. LL is a private company. You have no freedoms other then what LL says you can do. If they wanted tomorrow to only let straight white males into SL they could do it. LL can do whatever they want in the eyes of the law. In SL you have no freedom.

I think its all pretty clear, LL cant have simulated child sex happening, it doesnt matter if its two adults behind it, its against the law in SEVERAL countries to even SIMULATE child sex, Linden Labs is not going to shut the door on Netherlands, and Italy and others to appease a few SIMULATED PEDIOFILES...

My suggestion would be this, keep it to yourself in private. Im not passing judgement on anyone. Just telling you why EXACTLY this is happening. I dont think the fact your Furry has much to do with it

What is puzzling is why did they wait over a year to take these measures? If they finally came to their sences and banned ageplay I say YES!!!!!! great!

If you read the notecard in the other thread they have NOT banned it.

They have banned the OPEN PUBLIC display of it.

That is in violation of the laws of some countries, and LL want to leave SL open to all. Yes they cold ban it, but they've not banned it yet.

If you are openly advertising that you allow sex involving underage avatars, then you are in violation of some laws. While LL is in San Fransisco, they are subject to the following laws: their city, their county, their state, their nation first of all.

But... other countries could file suit against them if one of their citezens comes in and does something.

Their colocation is in texas, so they also fall under texas laws, since there is no way to tell what server farm your on in game.

The US recognizes many laws of other countries too...

So if you're feeling the need to do ageplay in public... you're offending many places, and there is no telling where the law actually is. But take it behind closed doors.

IF your island(s) are public, then you are subject to that. If you locked down access to all but say greeting areas, then you may be able to get away with it.

Other then that... the notecard is probably going to be all they do.

Then saddly Second Life is destined to fail. The Idea behind second life was an actual second life. What is a life without the freedom to do at the very least what is legal in the united states?

If linden labs does not reverse there policy then im afraid competition will rise up and gain ground. I am sure plenty of people are afraid the same things are going to happen to the virtual escort industry or the fury community.

Simply put either give us liberty or give yourself debt.

Considering that Second Life is a Open Source program anyone can create a server and base it of Second Life with no rules or restrictions.


And when that happens what happened to Internet Explorer when Firefox came around will happen here.

Lindens days are numbered. Its not like the game is actually good enought to getp eople to stay for any other reason but the sex.

Wow, you couldnt be more off base, firstly, SL isnt a US thing, as a matter of fact there are more Europeans on SL than Americans. SO the "if its Legal IN the US it should be legal in SL" dont hold up at all.

And no one is stopping virtual sex in SL, not that thats what most people are interested in, just the wankmasters and undersexed of the world. There's a whole lot more to do in SL than shooting seeds at your keyboard.

Its like this, put it plain and simple since no one else is saying it, if you ENJOY having virtual sex with a virtual child, you have a serious problem. Thats not a SL freedom, thats a real life sociological problem. And you need to seek help

I highly doubt any competition will rise up that gives even the amount of freedom on a sexual permisiveness level than Second Life does.

Any larger company will have more controls.

Any smaller one is fighting momentum.

So while there will liekly be a 3D virtual space where people can do anythign they wish - I doubt it will be anywhere near a market leasder - Virtual world wise.

There are already systems based on second life that are sex only alternatives.


Frankly not only is freedom of expresion guaranteed by the us constitution its supported by the UN. Censorship is illegal and evil.

One could easily argue that even wanting to simulate child pornography is evil as well. You are still being allowed to carry out these (already highly questionable) practices in private, which is far more than LL as a private company with a reputation and financial responsibility has any obligation to give you.

If you were in my living room, you would not have the freedom to express or do whatever you wanted to. I would be able to kick you out in a heartbeat. Second Life is the Linden's living room plain and simple. Your freedoms don't exist in Second Life unless the Lindens dictate so. What part of this do you not understand?

Second Life is providing a service simple as that its a public service. They still have the right to uphold all civil and human rights.

Sorry, Wesley, but you're just not right. They're not obligated to let us do much of anything. They provide a terms of service, we agree or disagree to it. Beyond that, it's their call what they allow or disallow. They are not the government, and as such, are not bound by the first amendment.

Thousands of people manage to come to Second Life and spend lots of time - and money - here enjoying themselves and, shock horror, never even participate in pixel sex.

If all you're doing here is having sex, then frankly just leave. There's far more to do than just click on poseball animations, and if after all the time you've been here you can't find anything better to do then you probably are just wasting bandwidth.

Broccoli

Granted, except in Second Life you aren't a human, you're an avatar. Avatars have no rights except those granted to us in the Terms of Service and Community Standards.

I seem to remember someone being equally vocal about "occlusion culling" being overturned when it's challenged in court, with some equal crud about 'freedom of expression'. That got a long way, didn't it?

Broccoli

To your words, not allowing to have/to spread pictures of real child porno (as example) is also censoring and against the freedom of speech? If so, long live censorship and booo to Freedom of Speech.

Freedom of speech is good, but there are borders that should not be crossed.

Morwen.

Unfortunately some people forget that things like the US constitution does not apply to around 50% of the playerbase in real life, and has even less relevance in Second Life.

Broccoli

Instead of complaining about not being able to have virtual sex with virtual underage children, why not just have real sex with real underage children.... Oh yes.. because its illegal and disgusting and perverted. Same should apply in SL. Virtual or Real, if you want sex with children then you are sick in the head.

I will add that I have no problem with people role-playing that they are children so long as they aren't wanting to have sex in SL.

I have, nor did I ever create my 2 babyfur themed sims for sex. Its about having fun. The fact all of you keep thinking I want them for underage sex prooves that none of you have ever read my article I have posted nor have ever been to my sims before. We keep mature stuff in the sky. That means even vendors of mature products.

As for protection of laws, LL stated laws from Italy and Denmark, so this decision is placing foreign laws on all of us. I am tired of the fact that it is jerks than run the world and not people with more sound judgement.

Really? So when the US places its 'foreign laws' on people like me from Europe... why is that acceptable?

To be honest, if there was more 'sound judgement' at Linden Lab, they'd have cracked down on this sort of thing a long time ago. The prevalence of sex in SL is probably the most damaging thing to its future; I know a number of people and corporations that have been put off of getting into Second Life because of all the articles about the sexual side of what goes on.

Broccoli