Extending the "No Access" barrier over your land

Good enough to be worth repeating .

If someone wants to sit three sims away and look at me and friends slipping into the typing animation *shrugs*. If someone gets some sad rush from watching me change *shrugs some more*. Hopefully those people will sooner or later realize they need some professional help.

If I want to be social with just anyone, I'll be out in public; if I'm at my house then maybe I'm building, idling, chatting with people who are there or simply busy with IMs and I don't need someone else to show up, or worse deal with the kind of person it takes to come bother someone in what is quite clearly a residential area.

Banlines give me peace and quiet which is exactly what I want. Anyone who wants to roam about can fly 40-50m above ground level (and still expect to get tp'ed home or pushed away at random), or buy their own private sim and then they can fly about to their heart's content. There is no shortage of full Linden owned sims for vehicles, and there is nothing in the TOS that guarantees free movement from A to B by any means other than a direct tp.

I hate ban lines. At one point I had them on 3 sides on land around me. Two were completely empty of builds.

I've had my land for over 2 years and have only had to put 2 people on the ban list. Its PG so if my partner and I wish to do anything of a mature nature, we go to many of the places available for that, especially as I don't have a house but a bedouin tent.

Many new residents drop in whilst they are exploring and some of them are now good friends.

As has been mentioned, nothing is private in SL, people can camera into your home if and when they feel like it, with or without ban lines.

But surely when you're not there you can expect people to use that piece of equipment? Or would you prefer it sat there not being used 23 hours a day?

Yeah... metaphor's getting a bit silly I know..... but I think it's still valid.

I agree here but many just don`t. Many the new land owner Privacy features coming will take care of this issue.

I just put up a security orb - 6 second warning, eject, limited to parcel, 90m scan range. Keeps people out, multiple orbs keep people out from under 200m over my land. (Where ban lines used to reach)

Houses in RL sit empty half the time, what a terrible waste. Everyone should just be able to walk in and sit on your couch to make sure it gets used 24/7.

Metaphors usually don't really work, they just invite arguments that fit with the metaphor but don't apply or would be silly to apply to the original situation.

You pay for your virtual land and whatever you do with it is up to you as long as you stick with the TOS/CS/covenant. If you want to leave it open for all to use, that's a valid use; if you want to lock it down and keep everyone out, that's again a valid use.

The problem with these threads is that one category is telling another what they can and can not do with their land because it inconveniences them. Tough luck. I don't particularly like the house my neighbour put up either and I'd rather see them change it, and it's far more of an eyesore to me than any banlines would be, but they pay for their land, I pay for mine and we're each entitled to do our own thing.

OK... I admit it... I only posted that to wind people up

Of course should everyone do with the land one has in SL.

I just don’t understand the reasoning why to lock everyone out of a such a piece of land in a community as SL. I mean, SL is for me about communication and meeting people… that is not something you will on your own land by ban-lines and security orbs. And if I really want to be alone, I most surely don’t log into SL.
And I did meet the most nice and wonderful people on my land. None payment-info among them. Just some weeks ago I talked for more then 3 hours with someone who I met in my garden. A very interesting person. This kind of things I wouldn’t like to miss.
But I guess this is me just thinking that way…

A true objection that I have against ban-lines is that they are ugly. One of my neighbours has them up. Every time I come close to the border of my land these ugly lines come up.
I even did once put a wall with the text “I have to watch your ugly ban-lines, you can watch my ugly wall!!!”. I removed that wall again, because it was too provoking…

Morwen.

ummm not to sound umm smartypantsy but because they can and they have just as much right to. and sometimes, when building, creating, having a private moment with friends, is kinda distracting to answer every single question of everyone and anyone(if they bother to answer you), who wishes to try on your space for a while.


ok like can we stop with the variations on the same song? i think we hit the Justine timberlake version now, with a viper remix

I always preferred this one.. good one to those people thinking they have free pass to my land without helping pay teir too-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1j9HQ_uUtc

I agree with you. I hate them, too. And I don't understand why people leave them locked up. I don't use banlines, myself, and I think they're ugly as sin.

Having said that, it really doesn't matter whether we agree or understand or like.
Our opinions of what people do on their land are just that. OUR opinions. They have no bearing on this.

The instant this becomes about what we want someone else to do on their land, the instant someone says "They SHOULD..." or "They SHOULD NOT...", the instant someone starts imposing their opinion on someone else, the argument is lost.

What someone does on their land, as long as they are obeying the rules is their business and, as long as Linden Labs allows them to put up banlines, they are doing nothing wrong, nothing unethical, nothing immoral and nothing that goes against "The Spirit of SL".

I hate to dredge it up again, but....

Fly, drive or motor around it, or stick to public places. Don't tell people what they can and can't do on their property. It may not be a right to privacy, but it's certainly more of a right than your right to access.

Privacy is a relative thing. It is not a digital, one-or-zero thing, where you either have absolute privacy or you have none at all. There are gradations. The gradations are very different in SL than in RL, but there are plenty of them. And they are important.

It may be possible for someone to "camera view" your living room from hundreds of meters away, but I notice that the farther away your camera view is the harder it is to control it, so it must take a pretty fine touch to make it useful for voyeurism from that far away. Realistically, how many people actually take the time and trouble to develop that skill that much, and how likely are they to pick you out of all the thousands of residents on at a given moment for their sick jollies? So, in practice, solid walls do give some measure of privacy, even in SL. Probably pretty good, most of the time. Just not perfect.

Frankly, even simple lockable doors help for those who don't care to have people barge in on them when they don't want to be barged in on. Most people actually live in RL and therefore get the SL metaphor of "a locked door" very quickly. And many do respect it. Screens out many random newbs and most others right away. No, far from perfect, but then any RL burglar will tell you the same thing about RL doorlocks, and I daresay you don't leave your RL doors unlocked just because someone CAN get in anyway.

Ban lines are as objectionable as everyone says, but increase dramatically the probability that you will be let alone when you want to be let alone. Ditto security orbs.

And frankly, I don't get why some people object to others seeking some measure of privacy for themselves in SL. People bring a lot of their psychological wants and needs over with them from RL to SL, and those wants and needs are valid. Privacy is one of them. I daresay the people complaining about other people wanting privacy in SL understand all this perfectly well, and just have some want or need of their own that is hindered by it Some have said as much; some have merely got on their high horse. In each case, the real motive seems to be "It's all about ME!" Fair enough; we're all here for our own gratifications. But the same thing applies to the people seeking to improve their sense of privacy here as well.

Geez 6 seconds...that's hardly enough time for someone to travel across your land let alone understand that you don't want them there. It's good they're not being TPd home though

I never had banlines up when I was on mainland. I had a roadside parcel and would have the occasional visitor (random, mostly newbies). If I was busy, I let them know I was, and went about my business. If I wasn't, I'd chat a few and explain that most residential structures were meant to be private, and not walked into. Whether or not they took my comments at face value, I'll never know. If they were nice, I invited them back, made friends, gave them stuff. If they weren't, I froze/eject/banned their asses before another obnoxious word could come out of their little pixelated typing fingers.

Funny aside: I recently moved to an island parcel and was building a 2nd floor on my house when some guy I don't know walked in:

"Honey! I'm home! Wow! What a day" and proceeded to go out on the deck to fix a drink.

Made me laugh so hard!

ROFL - so funny.

Normal, unaided avatar flight is 10 m/s .

You don't have to cover more than 60m, so plenty of time.

Whats funny is some people don't get that if they just keep moving and don't loiter.. they'll be fine.

6 Seconds is the quickest. But 8 Seconds is the min LLABS says is enough..........
Anyways since they lowerd it, there is a increase of fly by griefters Nothing good came out of this for most of us..

I only have 1024 sq m and I now have ban lines on all 4 sides so I can't fly away from my land unless i fly up and over. 2 sides have no builds - completey empty but still have ban lines. Do I have any redress? Can anything be done about it?

Setting to 8 seconds Last I checked they only required warning.

Latonia - if the same person or group who owns all four, its agaisnt TOS.. either way contact support. Worst they say is 'sorry.'

Yes thats is what I said But really if people set it to 6 Seconds can they be breaking TOS? If so that should be changed due to the lower lines now....I think since many stupid flyers that don`t care ( griefters I mean ) earns tat 6 second kick.....And LLABS should understand this. Unless LLABS gives us better protection that TOS or kicking off people should be lifted.....

BTW I had a total total loser 2 years ago hit my Protection orb of mine 150 times. What happened? ABuse sent me a notice. Well As the story goes this griefter sent in the reports based on me targeting on them. But facts are she was not allowed on my rented land...........Talk about your stupid abused Abuse reports being sent in......... Its nowonder LLABs stopped that abuse hit report awhile back. Griefter knew to the point they can turn their not being allowed on the land on those trying to keep them off......

Usagi

I even did once put a wall with the text “I have to watch your ugly ban-lines, you can watch my ugly wall!!!”. I removed that wall again, because it was too provoking…
Says one avitar in chat - well that doesn't sound so welcoming either.
Ban lines keep out griefers and wanderers. Come onto my property in the Real World and you get to have a friendly chat with two guard dogs. So I hope you can climb fences fast. A ban line is much safer for YOU. And cheaper for me than two dogs - who are guards NOT pets.

And by the way just in case you think I am just a mean bitch - I have been mugged, broken into twice, had a man steal my purse and belongings IN my bedroom while I was sleeping, seen many nasty things in real world. Now I have learnt to protect myself - I wasnt born "suspicious" - I even came to sl with hope of openess and community but even here avs can be shunned/ignored/offended/attacked etc etc. Ban lines are a pretty tame way of controlling unlawful behaviour. Oh, and you can come and watch me and my partners any time. I just dont want to be called a "*&&^% Jewess ****^&" ever again in SL.

Jig - while it's sad that people resort to name calling based on ethnicity for instance, those are only words...I hope you don't let that ruin your SL experience

It doesnt Jill
I am lucky to know many wonderful PEOPLE here - I dont see them as AVs. This is a wonderful experience. But the night the griefing happened my partners and I were actually just declaring how wonderful this experiment actually was. I know that griefers are just a minority and often simply online for minutes. BUT we must - as a community - pull together, admit there are problems and come up with solutions that prevent griefing. Freedom is not a right for many people in the real world - it is a privilege. I think we take our freedoms here every much for granted. But thanks for your kind thoughts. Jig.

Hey weren't you on Orientation island when I was there - when we were "born"?