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Extending the "No Access" barrier over your land

Fainne Flanagan
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05-03-2007 09:38
I currently use the "access" list in About Land to limit access to my parcel. But it seems that people can still fly over the parcel if they're above 50m.

Is there any way to extend the "No Access" barrier from 50m up to 80m, or beyond?

While exploring other sims, I've seen "No Access" barries that extend up past 80m, and in some cases past 100m! But I can't figure out how to do that for my own land.

Thanks for any pointers!
Suzy Hazlehurst
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05-03-2007 09:49
the ban lines were lowered all over SL recently. To keep people off at a higher altitude, buy a security device that pushes people away if they stay after a warning and place it at the appropriate altitude.
Darkness Anubis
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05-03-2007 09:49
From: Fainne Flanagan
I currently use the "access" list in About Land to limit access to my parcel. But it seems that people can still fly over the parcel if they're above 50m.

Is there any way to extend the "No Access" barrier from 50m up to 80m, or beyond?

While exploring other sims, I've seen "No Access" barries that extend up past 80m, and in some cases past 100m! But I can't figure out how to do that for my own land.

Thanks for any pointers!


Not without using a scripted security device. If you choose to go this route be VERY careful in which one you select. It is possible to be abuse reported for an overzealous security script.
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Susanne Pascale
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05-03-2007 10:01
Personally, I have no objections to people flying over my land as long as they are high enough to insure alittle privacy down below. I would like to see the access lines lowered to a point that homeowners still have some privacy but aviation enthusiasts can still enjoy flying.
Darkness Anubis
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05-03-2007 10:07
From: Susanne Pascale
Personally, I have no objections to people flying over my land as long as they are high enough to insure alittle privacy down below. I would like to see the access lines lowered to a point that homeowners still have some privacy but aviation enthusiasts can still enjoy flying.


When last we lived on the mainland I used a security device pointed down at the ground and positioned 1m above our house. I felt that was a fair compromise since the built in LL tools at the time didn't go up high enough to cover the house. At the time I believe they were set to 25m tops and that was 25m absolute from z=0. At the time ground level at our place was 21m LOL.

Even so I got alot of complaints from people about my using the security even though it fit within the rules.
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Morwen Bunin
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05-03-2007 10:16
I dislike "ban-lines", but I dislike security devices that throw you back to your home-point even more.

As already said so often, unless you buy a isle and put banlines up..... any other idea of privacy is an illusiion.

Further more, this "game" (to give it a name)) is for me about communication and meeting people. As for my land, people are welcome there. And if they come on a unlucky moment, I will ask them friendly to leave. If they don't listen, I warn them.. after that banlist. But until now that hardly has been needed.

As to the OP, I am very happy LL lowered the heighth you can fly over ban-lines. At times it was more then annoying to bounce every time again into banlines.

Morwen.
Denise Bonetto
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05-03-2007 10:18
Why do you object to people flying over above 50m? If everyone did, we wouldn't be able to fly around, only use teleports.
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Gillian Waldman
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05-03-2007 10:20
Ban lines are ugly and disruptive to people minding their own business - and they should be able to fly over your house since they're simply passing through. If you're worried about someone overstaying their welcome, do like others here have said and use a very focused security orb to eject people after a reasonable amount of time, within a focused area of coverage. Sorry but I just don't get ban lines...someone once said to me here, "it's not like they can muss your sheets up." And you know, they were right.
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Darkness Anubis
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05-03-2007 10:28
From: Gillian Waldman
Ban lines are ugly and disruptive to people minding their own business - and they should be able to fly over your house since they're simply passing through. If you're worried about someone overstaying their welcome, do like others here have said and use a very focused security orb to eject people after a reasonable amount of time, within a focused area of coverage. Sorry but I just don't get ban lines...someone once said to me here, "it's not like they can muss your sheets up." And you know, they were right.


Maybe they can't make a mess on your sheets but coming home to 2 complete strangers doing the nasty in your bed is a tad disconcerting. Especialy when those 2 get pissed at you for walking into your own house while they were using it. That did happen to one family member.
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Gillian Waldman
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05-03-2007 10:31
I guess I would just laugh, freeze, toss and ban. Why ruin the scenery for everyone else?
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Brenda Connolly
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05-03-2007 10:35
I don't like ban lines either, but it's a personal choice. I'm for free use of airspace. I think 50M is a good height. I like to fly as well, sometimes I prefer it to teleporting, I like to fly about, and land on spots that look interesting. I don't restrict people form my small plot of land unless they give cause, and use access controls on my house. I do wish we could have total privacy in our homes, but that is a different topic for a different thread.
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Calveen Kline
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05-03-2007 10:37
I've always wondered what is it that some people are trying to hide? Is it our virtual phalluses or other appendix? Or it could be that some of us engage in some perverted sadomasochist behavior that we MUST keep hidden. I just can't figure out why would anyone want to import his/her own pseudo-puritanic psychosis into SL. Why seek solitude in a world so full of posibilites as SL? Any ideas?
Colette Meiji
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05-03-2007 10:37
From: Brenda Connolly
I don't like ban lines either, but it's a personal choice. I'm for free use of airspace. I think 50M is a good height. I like to fly as well, sometimes I prefer it to teleporting, I like to fly about, and land on spots that look interesting. I don't restrict people form my small plot of land unless they give cause, and use access controls on my house. I do wish we could have total privacy in our homws, but that is a different topic for a different thread.


If you say it on that thread you get flamed :mad:
Darkness Anubis
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05-03-2007 10:38
From: Gillian Waldman
I guess I would just laugh, freeze, toss and ban. Why ruin the scenery for everyone else?


Actually you couldn't. Back then if they were sitting on something (and poseballs use sit) there wasn't jack you could do about.
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Morwen Bunin
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05-03-2007 10:56
From: Gillian Waldman
I guess I would just laugh, freeze, toss and ban. Why ruin the scenery for everyone else?


Agreed. I would act the same.

Morwen.
Ceera Murakami
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05-03-2007 11:05
The current rules say that if you explicitly ban someone by name, which you can only do for a limited number of individuals, that ban is effective to 768 Meters. Any other access control that is based on SL's parcel tools is only valid to 50 M above the terrain ground level. That includes bans on all people with no payment info on file. So a griefer with a 5 minute old NPI account can now freely hover at 51 Meters above my home, creating havoc until I can get a fix on him to explicitly ban him by name? Thrilling.

50 M above ground level is all well and good if you're a flightless, ground-bound creature. But it makes ban lines a complete joke for protecting anything in a sky build, in a reality where everyone can fly.

Makes me glad I own a good security orb. Guess I need to configure it for tighter access control now. Personally, I don't want to log in at my skybox and find complete strangers using my bed. Not the sort of thing I want my 11 year old daughter to see when I log in to check my messages. Nor did I pay money for that bed and for my land just so some landless freeloader can make use of my things.
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Ashlynn Dawn
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05-03-2007 11:07
Actually, quite a few people would be very upset to come home and see people using the home and its items as their own. Yes SL is built to meet people and such, but when you buy land (or rent) to create a fully private environment for yourself and those you wish to include, the invasion of privacy can be seen as a slap in the face.

There are plenty of hotels and brothels etc for people to go rent a room to get down and nasty in, dont use someone elses stuff to do it. If you are looking to meet people, dont just go walking into their homes to do it. There are tons of places to meet others that wont infringe on their privacy. As far as I am concerned its a matter of respect for others and their homes in SL, just as it would be in RL. One of the few times I actually think the two are comparable.

As for banlines, I would love it if we could shut off the 'site' of them, but they would still hinder flying. It would be nice of there were actually more protected roadways for people to fly around instead of directly through (over, around, under, whatever) other peoples houses. Meh, lag is too bad now-a-days for me to fly anywhere anyway :rolleyes:
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Morwen Bunin
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05-03-2007 11:07
From: Darkness Anubis
Actually you couldn't. Back then if they were sitting on something (and poseballs use sit) there wasn't jack you could do about.


But it works now... just tested it with my SL/RL partner. Ban and she thrown out.

Ohh... I made her beg to release the ban again... mhauhahahaaaa.

Morwen.
Morwen Bunin
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05-03-2007 11:11
From: Ceera Murakami
The current rules say that if you explicitly ban someone by name, which you can only do for a limited number of individuals


Yes. 300 entries in limited... but still an awesome lot. And what does it take to clean up list once or twice every month. Or do you think people will try every week again if they can enter the parcel again where they once were banned?
Don't think so.

And yes, you can make of your skybox an untakeable castle.

I rather have nice people around my house and I will not let bet ruined by some jerks (who I don't serious at all most of the times).
Darkness Anubis
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05-03-2007 11:12
From: Morwen Bunin
But it works now... just tested it with my SL/RL partner. Ban and she thrown out.

Ohh... I made her beg to release the ban again... mhauhahahaaaa.

Morwen.


Ah but now we live on an island so its no longer an issue. ;)
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Bree Giffen
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05-03-2007 11:15
That seems to be the big thing whenever someone mentions ban lines. I don't want to come home finding people screwing in my bed. Why haven't sex bed makers built some kind of lock to stop this from happening? Less beds being hijacked would possibly result in less ban lines being made.
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Morwen Bunin
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05-03-2007 11:17
From: Ashlynn Dawn
Actually, quite a few people would be very upset to come home and see people using the home and its items as their own. Yes SL is built to meet people and such, but when you buy land (or rent) to create a fully private environment for yourself and those you wish to include, the invasion of privacy can be seen as a slap in the face.


That privacy doesn't exist in SL.... as long someone from the other side of a sim can look straight through walls into every place of your house, there is no privacy as you want it.

Even ban has limitted effect. They still can look straight into your bedroom. But well, that makes the message somehow clear: "You have broken the rules on my land and that is why I throw you off it".
Securty orbs just throw all off... there is no message behind it. Yes, maybe one: "This person doesn't like people here.... so <bliep> it."

Morwen.
Morwen Bunin
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05-03-2007 11:22
From: Bree Giffen
That seems to be the big thing whenever someone mentions ban lines. I don't want to come home finding people screwing in my bed. Why haven't sex bed makers built some kind of lock to stop this from happening? Less beds being hijacked would possibly result in less ban lines being made.


Bingo... that is question I ask myself often too.

Is it not possible to make scripts in sexbeds and poseballs useable by the owners on the land the objects are placed? Or maybe owner-rights are needed to execute the scripts, so a second/third/forth (*giggles*) can join in????

Morwen.
Darkness Anubis
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05-03-2007 11:24
From: Morwen Bunin
That privacy doesn't exist in SL.... as long someone from the other side of a sim can look straight through walls into every place of your house, there is no privacy as you want it.

Even ban has limitted effect. They still can look straight into your bedroom. But well, that makes the message somehow clear: "You have broken the rules on my land and that is why I throw you off it".
Securty orbs just throw all off... there is no message behind it. Yes, maybe one: "This person doesn't like people here.... so <bliep> it."

Morwen.


I will be completely honest on our island we have upward pointing security orbs for our private home/build level at 200M. The entire underside of the platform (which covers the whole sim) is plastered with warning signs. Because of a quirk with eject (ie on an unattached PI eject can throw the person into an endless loop of bouncing off the security) we have it set to TP home. I feel no guilt. If someone is foolish enough to try to enter that level with 625 warning signs posted they deserve to get blasted home.

It isn't really about privacy as much as not having strangers walk up and disturb our work. The in game sex thing realy stopped being interesting to us years ago.

Ground level is public access however with no ban lines or security.
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Ashlynn Dawn
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05-03-2007 11:27
From: Morwen Bunin
That privacy doesn't exist in SL.... as long someone from the other side of a sim can look straight through walls into every place of your house, there is no privacy as you want it.

Even ban has limitted effect. They still can look straight into your bedroom. But well, that makes the message somehow clear: "You have broken the rules on my land and that is why I throw you off it".
Securty orbs just throw all off... there is no message behind it. Yes, maybe one: "This person doesn't like people here.... so <bliep> it."

Morwen.



There is a difference between knowing someone can look inside your house and logging in to find someone screwing in it. EDIT to add Not just screwing in it, sitting in your living room, splashin around in your pool etc. What does a locked sex bed do to prevent that?

If people have nothing better to do than to stand somewhere and scan their view into someones house then they have more issues than the others do with them looking. Sounds like some lonesome soul who has nothing better to do than watch other avs move around, since they more than likely cant see the text. How fun is that? Joy!

What amazes me is peoples objection to others not wanting them on their property. It is their property and if they dont want anyone but a select few to be welcome, then that is their choice. There are plenty of places that welcome everyone, go there instead of complaining about not being able to go into someone elses home or land.

The only valid objection I see is that it can make flying difficult, which it does. There really is no solution other than only flying on protected land roads or waterways. That isnt going to change as people will always want to be able to block out unwanteds.
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