Will you use SL voice for the majority of your communication in world?

It was noise becuase I did not feel anything you had to say had anything to do with what I posted. I still dont. It doesnt mean you dont have a right to your opinion. I didnt tell you "dont post anymore"

As for agreeing you come across condescending? Its only been a couple weeks since you declared that when you coment on something it is the truth and everyone elses coments are just opinions.

I have specifically only agreed with someone on how you present yourself - I have not made blanket statements telling others to not post on a subject. Such as you have done on this issue in the other thread.



the "no one has responded with anything that adequately refutes" is the problem.

The thing is, you think that nothing said refutes your opinion. Others disagree.

Wehter or not they change your opnion or not - is not necessarily the purpose of these forums.



There is no forums status quo.

okay thanks I hadn't found that button and deleted the thing when i sorted through to see the options and interface

So instead of simply stating "I don't think anything you had to say had anything to do with what I posted" you felt compelled to add a jab in there.



What you were quoting was not simply a statement of how I come across but a personal attack with no relevance to the conversation other than to convey the author's inability to counter anything I had to say with information of any value.



That's amazing considering I've never said that. Again with the assumptions and words put in my mouth...



See there's your problem. You assume certain things I say are blanket statements when I specifically state that what I am saying is not the case 100% of the time.




Considering I am usually able to explain away these refutations to the point where the respondant is only able to resort to insults I still don't see any information that counters what I have stated. See the "my stance" post for further info.



Then why are they (and you) continuing to argue with me and quote me in disagreement if you aren't trying to debate said issue with me? Am I not allowed to respond to responses to my posts? Is that a luxury only afforded those who the majority feel are correct here?



According to the poll and the majority of posts and responses on this thread alone there seems to be over this particular subject.

Except that, unless they drasticly change what is in Beta now, we who prefer text for our RP experiences will be shackled with the "Chatterbox" as our only text user interface for both text chat and IM's - a clumsy, screen-eating interface loaded with voice-related features that still take up room on the screen, even if you disable Voice chat.

Oh, no one will force us to use voice. They will just make using Text a nightmare.

With a user interface that eats over half of an 800 by 600 window, text chat in the Voice-enabled future becomes virtually impossible unless you run SL full-screen on a large monitor. Running multiple avatars at one time, each in their own window, each chatting and replying on different text chat and IM messages, will be so difficult and will make the SL experience so onerous that many text-preferring users will just dump the wasted overhead of a 3D word that remains hidden behind the text chat interface, and bail out of SL entirely, returning to text-based venues. Why bother with spiffy 3D graphics that you can only see if you remain mute or use a voice headset?

I agree about the chatterbox being user unfriendly. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a nightmare to text, though. It'll just take some getting used to. I just wonder why we have to get used to something like that when they had a better format in the beginning stages of beta voice.

I heard from one of the guys working with the company that made the voice part of things that they are looking at re-tooling that so it works better for people. We'll see how that turns out!

I put down no, but that is purely a guess. I'm sure I will use it at least sometimes. I am sure a lot of the reasons cited already will cause me to turn it off or not turn it on other times. But it will change the dynamics of SL in sometimes unforeseeable ways, IMO, and we all may find we are surprising ourselves.

Please don't take all "No" votes as votes against voice. That was not the question posed. The question related to whether we would use voice the majority of the time. I won't use it the majority of the time. I may use it occasionally, and that might change over time. I'm not against voice.

Never say Never. It's a good rule.

Becuase it was noise



You called the other poster condecending first.



we had a disagreement on exactly this a couple weeks ago - im not making it up. Ill try to dig the post up for you to remind you.



You made blanket statements in the other thread specifically telling people they shoudl quit complaining. You telling them to quit complaining and then claiming their positions dont even stand up to the most "basic logic" are blanket statements.



Yes I remember the conversation better now - it was full of this same stuff.




Becuase they (and I) may think you are wrong, thats why.

Of course you are allowed to respond I didnt say you werent. You said that people keep talking and dont change your opinion and thay cant refute your statements. Whether their counter arguements refute your statements as a whole isnt for you to decide. Only whether or not they refute them in your opinion is.

Thus you can consider counter arguments agaisnt you useless, that doesnt make them useless - becuase others reading may not agree.

Same with people who disagree with me. I may feel their arguments are lame, but others might not.



Dont mistake response and concerns for an issue for Status Quo.

Status Quo on the forums doesnt exist. As far as Status Quo on the voice issue - its coming whether people like it or not.



Edit -

Heres the post where you claim that just becuase you adressed something , then thats how things are. /327/e6/189045/3.html#post1540486. You are expressing the same attitude on this subject.

In case you were wondering - just becuase someone convinces themselves they are right doesnt necessarily mean they are.

So far, according to this poll, SqueezeOne, Carlos, and the 13 only other people who want to have anything to do with them will be the only people regularly using voice in SL.

I see no reason why they should even add a voice chat system, there are so many bugs and lag problems that need to be dealt with first. Infact it just silly they going add more problems...

Plus SL really doesn't need a voice chat...

There is a JIRA entry where people can voice their opinion on the Chatterbox UI, and every comment this far is that it is too big, combines too many unrelated things, and that it needs to be broken apart into smaller, actually-related-to-each-other sections.

I'm rather thoroughly convinced that the developers who thought chatterbox was so cool must all have huge monitors and high-end video cards, and must always run SL in full-screen mode. They couldn't have seriously tried using it to interact in text mode for any length of time while running in an 800 by 600 window. Certainly there is no indication that the Voice Chat developers even considered the impact on anyone who might try to run multiple sessions of SL concurrently, each in their own window. (I do it a lot. It is extremely handy, as a builder, to be able to see the build from multiple perspectives. And I often roleplay as multiple characters at once.)

With the current UI for chat and for IM's, I can dedicate a mere inch at the top of the screen to the history windows for both, switching between them as needed, and I can still see the rest of my screen. If all I want to do is type replies as people chat with me, and I don't want to see the chat history, I only need a 1/4 inch high strip taken away from the bottom of my screen.

With Chatterbox open, so much of my screen is covered, mostly with unrelated junk that I can't minimize, that I may as well be in a text-only forum. Because I can see less than half of what is on the screen. I can't even type a single line of text chat without opening that freakishly huge UI.

If they would just leave the text chat and IM functions as they are, and create new UI stuff that only relates to Voice Chat, then I would happliy uncheck the option for myself, ban use of voice chat from my own land, and forget it exists.

Conan, has it occurred to you that others may not be getting it through their "thick heads" (nice, BTW) because not everybody uses SL the same way you do? Many of us come to SL to relate directly to other people - not avatars. So someone that develops close personal relationships with other people - not avatars - in SL would be considered dishonest if they lied about their RL gender identification. On the other hand, I would not consider someone who is simply roleplaying in SL (and is honest about that fact) to be lying regardless of whether or not they reveal anything about their RL identity.

I'm not a roleplayer. I have zero interest in roleplaying. My avatar is not just an avatar - she is an extension of myself, and while she doesn't look like me, she does reflect the way I see myself. The vast majority of the people - not avatars - I hang out with in SL feel the same way.

It's frustrating that some people can't seem to understand that SL means different things to different people. Some of us are roleplayers, and some are looking for "real" friends. The only time this is a problem is when people in one group refuse to acknowledge and respect the fact that the other group exists.

The sad fact is that a few bad apples come to SL and deliberately start deceiving the people who are not roleplaying. They use "it's just a game" as an excuse, when they know darned well that it's not a game to the people they hurt.

I'm right there with ya, Annie. It's just too easy for people to feel the need to compartmentalize everything as right or wrong, yes or no, 1 or 0. I see it in this light so you should, too, otherwise you're wrong and worthy of ridicule. What's unfortunate is how easily that combines with "safety in numbers" leading to people ganging up on others that don't follow their dogma.

As such is (second) life!

So... if I'm to follow all this "Your avatar is an extention of you" argument, which I cant buy *ALL* the time, if I wear my Barney The Purple Dinosaur avatar, that makes me Barney??

No, but it does mean that only the REAL Barney the Purple Dinosaur is allowed to wear that avatar.

I've no objection to LL adding any number of new features to SL. It is for many people, all about exploring new technlogies, now that other people are implementing similar environments, LL need to innovate to stay ahead. As long as the client remains relatively stable and responsive, I'll be happy.
Voice chat will have uses, say talking to close friends or for holding classes or tutorials.
Usually I'm in a room with RL people around and so I'll be voice-chatting to them or listening to music, so my audio channels are already used up whilst I text-chat to SL people.
I rarely listen to the existing one-way audio unless I'm attending an event that specifically uses it.
Voice tools have been around for a long time already in the Vivox voice chat areas and similar and I haven't found that I need them all the time.
(Realistic skies though... I'm really looking forward to.)

There are many cases of people who play opposite genders precisely BECAUSE that is, indeed, how they see themselves.

why the hell would I use my voice, that's gonna be incredibly annoying in my opinion.... why the hell would I wanna hear 6000 newbies trying to talk to each other. Screw Voice.

I voted no only because SL is for me a fantasy world (like others here have said) and to hear other voices would sort of mess that up for me. Besides, the babble would drive me nuts!

No, because the situations I use SL in make voice inappropriate. I'm either at work (I run a gaming centre) where it is noisy, or at home where my partner may be asleep, wanting quiet or listening to something else.

As others have already stated, I want no part of RL entering into SL. My AV is a totally seperate entity and does not reflect me in any way. Projecting my voice would take away her individuality.

I probably won't be using it.
I have no idea how it's implemented here, but I've used voice chat in other places. I find it fine for 1 - 1 conversations with people, no different to a phone call really. It's when you add multiple people it gets problematic. Everyone talking over everyone, the way the net is your chat breaks up and sounds like a radio edit of a rap song, so you spend half your time asking people to repeat what they said.

But that's just me. Although I won't be using it, I'm glad it's here. Because, then, if I wanted to use it, I can. Like anything else, it'll suit some, not others. At least the option to choose will be there.

I agree it would be nice if Linden would spend more time stabilising the platform than adding new features to wobble it a bit more. But, they're far from alone in this sort of thing. I'd like a nice stable, efficient computer to run it on too. An isp that gave me all 10mbps all the time would be nice as well. As would a reliable, effecient car to get me to work to pay for it all. Pretties, features and good marketing will always sell better than quality of product.

I voted no. I will not use voice.

For the person who talked about role play, in fact my av is pretty much me in SL, as far as behaviour is concerned.

For the times when avs make ascertions that I must be male because I don't use voice, I don't give a damn what they think. I know I'm female and so does my husband.

One of my good frineds quitted SL last month because she did not like the voice thing. Voice put a death penalty to her AV. I have another SL friend told me, regardless of the RL gender, she loved her best SL partner forever. I went to the voice grid several times; male AVs tended selectively talking to female AVs; the other male AVs standing beside, you knew what happend to them... Some residents insisted me to use voice as a "MUST" to friendship in SL. Do I have the right to choose not? Yes, I do. Matching RL voice and gender to SL character completely defeat the purpose of SL.