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Will you use SL voice for the majority of your communication in world?

Kitty Barnett
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06-21-2007 09:47
From: Colette Meiji
-Most married people that I know of either gender arent very interested in voice.
That's odd because with people I know it would be the exact opposite.

Most of the people I know or have known online who are married are actively looking and socializing online to break out of their marriage and to get (romantically/sexually) close to someone else, in a way they can't/won't in RL. Voice is one aspect, cam is another and most of them are far more eager to do either than the single people I know because they'll never be able to take the relationship to real life.
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06-21-2007 09:48
I put "yes" simply because the question is too narrow. I already use it about 40% of my time in SL and it is most likely because of the fact that a lot of people don't have firstlook.

So far it has made it easier for me to build and/or work on scripts and socialize at the same time since I don't have to look for typing and can simply listen and respond with one button.

I don't have the music problem because I know how to use the volume settings to get everything leveled out...plus I dont listen to music too often in SL as most people have bad taste in streams.

I also don't find it a big deal to talk to strangers IRL so in SL it's no problem. I do realize that most people in SL don't feel the same and that's just fine with me.
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06-21-2007 09:50
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Ok, and there is something I do not agree with (and thus I will have this conflict in the future and must keep it in mind). I do not believe that simply because you are sitting in front of a comptuer you stop being you or are excused from your behavior. Typing is a form of behavior, as is communicating. If you communicate something that is false, simply assuming that everyone else is doing the same, you've lied by your own fault of assumption. If you want to avoid this, you should take it upon yourself to discern how the other person you're communicating with is playing.

Personally, I think there's some people who use the above ambiguity to their advantage.
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06-21-2007 09:55
From: BaldEagle Heron
I think voice will have many practical applications inworld, but it isn't something I'll use on a daily basis. Lectures are probably the best initial application of voice. But I'm sure some enterprising folks will find others.

As I understand it (and maybe I'm wrong), landowners will have to pay additional tier to have voice available. As such, I suspect that a large percentage of SL will remain mute for a while. So, schools and rl companies will likely be the first to offer it. Then as new applications are developed, others will.

My thoughts...



I'd certainly see Voice as being useful as a poor man's streaming audio for lectures and talks. I've often seen the pro's having problems with live streaming parcel audio in SL.
Voice would be an easy entry-level for that sort of application, although distance from speaker might be an issue.
Cheyenne Marquez
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06-21-2007 09:57
From: SqueezeOne Pow
I do realize that most people in SL don't feel the same and that's just fine with me.


oh really?

Was the 152 (and counting) against voice and 12 for voice in this poll the give away?

Or was it any combination of any of the other 99.9% of overwhelmingly-against-voice threads, forums, blogs and/or polls discussing this issue of voice in SL?

And if most, ie. the majority, of people do not want voice, why are we getting it?

I thought that in a democratic society the majority of the people were suppose to account for something.
Colette Meiji
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06-21-2007 10:07
From: Merovigan Koba
Ok, and there is something I do not agree with (and thus I will have this conflict in the future and must keep it in mind). I do not believe that simply because you are sitting in front of a comptuer you stop being you or are excused from your behavior. Typing is a form of behavior, as is communicating. If you communicate something that is false, simply assuming that everyone else is doing the same, you've lied by your own fault of assumption. If you want to avoid this, you should take it upon yourself to discern how the other person you're communicating with is playing.

Personally, I think there's some people who use the above ambiguity to their advantage.


From: Merovigan Koba
I believe you are trivializing gender by comparing it to height and hair length. Moreover, I'm not saying that I believe wearing the opposite gender's shape is entirely twisted. It's a step, but it's also a long road from normal to twisted. There are many nd various reasons to wear a shape of the opposite gender.

But to pretend to actually BE the opposite gender? I don't get that and yeah, I view that as twisted. I'm ok if you don't like me for that, I really am. I'm just being honest - if you say you're a girl and you're a guy, outside of roleplaying, and in what appears to be a "real" or OOC conversation, something may be a little wrong with you (in my opinion).

Divluging real life information to someone you've met online is probably not smart. But we do not smart things when we trust people. We don't trust people immediately. Thus, if someone intentionally decieves someone else (violating their trust) I see a moral "crime" of sorts. It's a bad thing to do to someone. Perhaps they should have known better; or perhaps you should have known that some people take what you say seriously. If you say you're something you're not (in actual words, not in shapes) then that does make you a liar, again, in my opinion, and I'd rather not hang with you :-)


From: Chris Norse
I do have to disagree with you here Conan (gets ready for his 3rd AR from Conan of the day. :) )

Chris, is an extension of me. When you talk to Chris, you are talking to me. Even my look draws from my RL appearance. I do have alts that are roles or characters, a female and two males who are both very different than me. Chris is in relationships and friendships. The alts come out to play, have no one on their friends lists, and go away with hardly a ripple in the surface of SL.



I think the idea that people are concerned with the gender of who they are dating is valid.

I have in the past dated 2 women long term (over 6 months) who turned out to be men. So I have first hand experience with the issue. Also double standard where many feel its okay for men who are gender pretenders to lie to women about it, but not to men.

However - I still date - and I dont ask for any "proof"

The thing about the voice being used as a Gender identifyer is intrusive and it ignores peoples thoughts on voice and just makes it a mirror of their paranoia.

If you *NEED* proof there are ways of doing it without impacting everyone Elses's Second Lives.

Thus the need for voice to sniff out gender is really not a good reason to add voice, in my opinion.

Theres other reasons to add it, sure.
Colette Meiji
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06-21-2007 10:10
From: Kitty Barnett
That's odd because with people I know it would be the exact opposite.

Most of the people I know or have known online who are married are actively looking and socializing online to break out of their marriage and to get (romantically/sexually) close to someone else, in a way they can't/won't in RL. Voice is one aspect, cam is another and most of them are far more eager to do either than the single people I know because they'll never be able to take the relationship to real life.


I include those who are married but their Spouses dont know what they are up to. Most of those a definitely against voice.

Some are for it in the way you suggest, but not most I know.

Others of course are all for voice chat and cam, etc - but those that I know are also looking for a replacement relationship.
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06-21-2007 10:11
From: Cheyenne Marquez

And if most, ie. the majority, of people do not want voice, why are we getting it?

I thought that in a democratic society the majority of the people were suppose to account for something.


Where are you getting your majority figures from? The question was whether you'd use voice the majority of the time, not whether you'd voice at all or whether you thought voice would be useful.

As for majorities, in a democratic society the majority aren't always pandered to and what constitutes a majority is questionable. A British government hasn't had over 50% of the vote for eons.
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06-21-2007 10:15
From: Ciaran Laval
Where are you getting your majority figures from? The question was whether you'd use voice the majority of the time, not whether you'd voice at all or whether you thought voice would be useful.

As for majorities, in a democratic society the majority aren't always pandered to and what constitutes a majority is questionable. A British government hasn't had over 50% of the vote for eons.

Plus this poll, and all conversations on the subject on this forum are hardly a representation of the total number of SL residents anyway, so any statistics are to be tken accordingly.
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06-21-2007 10:16
From: Ciaran Laval
Where are you getting your majority figures from? The question was whether you'd use voice the majority of the time, not whether you'd voice at all or whether you thought voice would be useful.

As for majorities, in a democratic society the majority aren't always pandered to and what constitutes a majority is questionable. A British government has hadn't had over 50% of the vote for eons.



Although I agree that this poll doesnt reflect any accurate statistics on who wants voice chat.

I also am possitive that what the majority wanted had NOTHING to do with voice being added to Second Life.

It was simply a matter of, "Everyones doing it and it will make the corporates happy, and it will be coooooooooooooooool"

How people felt about it didnt matter

- If it did Phil R's own original opinion on voice would have remained - publicly stated on numerous occasions that voice would have to wait on seemless voice masking technology.
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06-21-2007 10:18
From: Ciaran Laval
Where are you getting your majority figures from? The question was whether you'd use voice the majority of the time, not whether you'd voice at all or whether you thought voice would be useful.


I understand which is why I referred to many of forums, threads, blogs or polls that are anti-voice in one form or another.

Although this does not explicitly state that any one is against voice, it is nevertheless "another" thread/poll indicating an anti-voice disposition.

But I will tell you this.

I can offer you dozens of links that are anti-voice. Can you link me one that is pro-voice?

I thought not.

And for every pro-voice forum/thread/blog/that you do link that is pro-voice, I will link you dozens that are overwhelmingly anti-voice.

Go for it. I'm dying for a reason lol
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06-21-2007 10:18
I have a borderline-phobic reaction to phones...I use them when I absolutely have to, but avoid them the rest of the time. Voice is a little too phone-like for me, so it's likely that I'll never use it.
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06-21-2007 10:20
One possible extrapolation can be made that if the percentages hold true to the total SL user base, those fearing marginalization and exclusion will in fact have plenty of like minded people to interract with.
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06-21-2007 10:21
From: Cheyenne Marquez

I thought that in a democratic society the majority of the people were suppose to account for something.


Actually this isnt a democrasy. Its a virtual world run on a company's servers meaning it's up to the Company to decide what we get or dont get. They own the servers, they make the rules. Simple. If they want to ban Ageplaying Gorean Furries, they are in their right to do so.
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06-21-2007 10:22
From: Colette Meiji

It was simply a matter of, "Everyones doing it and it will make the corporates happy, and it will be coooooooooooooooool"


So...you see the addition of voice chatting software (in a game where users often have ventrillo or TeamSpeak servers) as a nod to corporate money. mmmhmmm, ok, if you say so.

I think they did it because most people like chatting. Most people also avoid web boards about games too. Most. Not all, but most. We web posters are in a startling minority among all game players, not just SL players.
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06-21-2007 10:24
From: Brenda Connolly
One possible extrapolation can be made that if the percentages hold true to the total SL user base, those fearing marginalization and exclusion will in fact have plenty of like minded people to interract with.


Personal experince would argue otherwise. There will be a lot of people using voice. Including large numbers of my friends.

There will be plenty to interact with im sure but Im not sure how many - it definitely wont be the overwhelming majority that seem represented on the polls.

I think the reason is simple. A lot of people who are going to be most comfortable with voice - dont do things like read forums.
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06-21-2007 10:24
Not a chance. If I want to chat to friends in SL, theres Skype. (besides, it'll never work as LL planned.. Just look at the state of it now, far too hectic)
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06-21-2007 10:26
From: Merovigan Koba
So...you see the addition of voice chatting software (in a game where users often have ventrillo or TeamSpeak servers) as a nod to corporate money. mmmhmmm, ok, if you say so.

I think they did it because most people like chatting. Most people also avoid web boards about games too. Most. Not all, but most. We web posters are in a startling minority among all game players, not just SL players.


Where did you get that out of what I said? That was ONE of 3 reasons I listed.

Maybe voice will be great for people with low reading comprehension.
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06-21-2007 10:27
From: Cheyenne Marquez

And for every pro-voice forum/thread/blog/that you do link that is pro-voice, I will link you dozens that are overwhelmingly anti-voice.



There are pro voice people in this thread and in the blog. You don't have to go very far to find them. I'm not sure what angle you're trying to play here, how may features do you think the majority of people wanted?

The majority of people would appear to be "Anti Voice now", they see the priorities of LL as being misplaced, but that goes for many features, not just voice.
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06-21-2007 10:28
From: Tod69 Talamasca
Actually this isnt a democrasy. Its a virtual world run on a company's servers meaning it's up to the Company to decide what we get or dont get. They own the servers, they make the rules. Simple. If they want to ban Ageplaying Gorean Furries, they are in their right to do so.


Yes but since I do not wish to bash the company for their business decisions because I do like and give credit to Linden Lab for the many things they have done right, I will not even go there.

For the record, I agree with the vast majority of what LL has done with SL.

I just disagree with voice because in my opinion it goes against their "Your world, Your imagination" slogan. The gender thing is a non-issue for me as I am a female and i just dont get that part of it other than getting constantly hit on but im really good when it comes to ignoring people so I dont have a problem with that lol. But the real factor for me is the additional noise voice will create and how it will completely ruin the fantasy immersion factor that I really enjoy.
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06-21-2007 10:31
From: Colette Meiji
Personal experince would argue otherwise. There will be a lot of people using voice. Including large numbers of my friends.

There will be plenty to interact with im sure but Im not sure how many - it definitely wont be the overwhelming majority that seem represented on the polls.

I think the reason is simple. A lot of people who are going to be most comfortable with voice - dont do things like read forums.

Perhaps,but unless your crystal ball is better than mine, no one can say for sure what will happen. You can speculate on past experiences, of which you have way more than I have to go on, but it still is only speculation. history can repeat itself, but only because people allow it to happen. And even if a large majority are voicers. How many will acommodate non voicers and how many won't? Again, we won't know until it happens.
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06-21-2007 10:35
From: Colette Meiji
Where did you get that out of what I said? That was ONE of 3 reasons I listed.

Maybe voice will be great for people with low reading comprehension.


I realize that was a barb, but it's also true. Humans tend to understand voice better than text because more information (intonation, pause, voice stres, etc.) is transmitted in voice.

Voice > text.
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06-21-2007 10:36
From: Cheyenne Marquez
oh really?


Yes, I don't have a problem with other people's desire for anonymity. That's their choice. I don't see the issue with me not having an issue with that.

From: Cheyenne Marquez

Was the 152 (and counting) against voice and 12 for voice in this poll the give away?


No, it was my understanding people's desire for anonymity which is one reason a lot of people have given for not using voice.

Also, 164 people is quite a small cross-section of SL residents considering there are up to 40k online at any given time.

From: Cheyenne Marquez

Or was it any combination of any of the other 99.9% of overwhelmingly-against-voice threads, forums, blogs and/or polls discussing this issue of voice in SL?

And if most, ie. the majority, of people do not want voice, why are we getting it?


Considering I see the same 10 people in each of those I dont' think it's much of a "majority rules" type thing.

Also, why does it have to be anyway? Can't some people like it and some people not? As mentioned millions of times "IT IS OPTIONAL".

From: Cheyenne Marquez

I thought that in a democratic society the majority of the people were suppose to account for something.


It's not. It's SL...a product of a for-profit company. Also, our society (RL) counts the individual as much as the majority when it comes to freedom of expression. If anything the addition of voice as an OPTION is more democratic than your "EVERYONE MUST TYPE" mentality.

Well you just shatterred the "typers are better readers" arguement!
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06-21-2007 10:36
From: Ciaran Laval
There are pro voice people in this thread and in the blog. You don't have to go very far to find them.


Yes, I see that.

All 13 of them!

12 not counting yourself.

From: Ciaran Laval
I'm not sure what angle you're trying to play here, how may features do you think the majority of people wanted?

The majority of people would appear to be "Anti Voice now", they see the priorities of LL as being misplaced...


We agree. This is all I am saying.

My point is simply that the majority, as indicated by the numerous forums, threads, blogs and polls on this subject, are overwhelmingly against voice.

That is all.
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06-21-2007 10:36
From: Brenda Connolly
Perhaps,but unless your crystal ball is better than mine, no one can say for sure what will happen. You can speculate on past experiences, of which you have way more than I have to go on, but it still is only speculation. history can repeat itself, but only because people allow it to happen. And even if a large majority are voicers. How many will acommodate non voicers and how many won't? Again, we won't know until it happens.


Well yeah im just guessing - I just mean that its not going to reflect the numbers in these polls.

My guess is a lot of older SL accounts will continue on much as they did before, while there will be more voicers amoung the newer people.

I can see the "early adopters are stuck up" mentality increasing.
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