Gorean Question

Ach, did you get this impression from what I actually said, or ppl's reactions to it? I have used some very precise language that others have interpreted a LOT more than was even intended into. I haven't bothered to correct all assumptions, because frankly I was enjoying watching how their assumptions would run roughshod over fact while they claimed to be the reasonable and open-minded ones...



What I question is whether you're really taking the role, or co-opting it to play some other thing, are you accepting all implications of it, or infusing it with some cultural value that wouldn't exist among the Gorean cultures? Now I've never seen you RP, but that is a question I have checked Myself with while playing in Gor, and a question I've checked both slaves and Warriors with. And I have gotten many of them to see the permutations of character that Gor would cultivate, and what they value and substance they may reap from it, and make it a richer RP experience.

Even though many might not understand why, its probably in the best interests of the Hardliners that most SL goreans do not read the books.

Ill explain.

It obvious that my interpretation of what Norman describes in the books is quite a bit different than what Prodigal does for example.

Ive read quite a few. My ability to share my understanding of written works is one of my trained skills. As I mentioned I have a degree in history, and that is one of the requirements to obtain such.

I do have other experiences with SL gor. Including first hand. While far less than the goreans here it was enough for me to realize that the goreans do not read their own works in the majority of cases. Even those who have read them, I have met nearly none who have made an effort to study the works from an unbiased veiwpoint.

People disagree on interprations all the times. And this is why I think the hardliners are better off with the status quo. Since more people who read the books are going to take their own understanding of what they say out of that experience.

Thus the educated on gor are more likely to be able to make rational disagreements over what was said in those books.

This would be to the detriment of those who claim to know it all.

Much for the same reasons the Catholic church resisted efforts to translate the bible out of latin into languages the parishoners could read.

Hardliners by their nature are inflexible - And the Gorean ones are often bullies since on Gor might often makes right.

It is not lost on me those same hardliners are generally the most attractive to the most submissive slaves. This isnt really surprizing , since thats what those slaves want.

Many hardliners think they want everyone to learn about gor, but I think what they really want is them to read and then agree that the hardliner was always right about them. This is unlikely, and may lead to hardliners dimissing everyone who doesnt share all their opinions.

Some hardliners may welcome a reasoned debate on the gorean books. those are the ones who want more people to educate themselves about gor, but hopefully those would be the same ones willing to accept some will read the books and disagree with them.

That pretty much did it for me. I'm not going to say that your beliefs are wrong, but statements like the one above make Gor hard for me to defend, because all people see are statements like the one you made, and not the ones I made. I'm not even telling you not to launch arguements the way you want to. I'm just saying you make it hard for me to help, hehe.

SL Gor is full of different people, with different beliefs, and different interpretations. For anyone to make sweeping statements that cover all of us is ignorant. Not you Prod. You make a good example of two defenders of SL Gor having very different views.

~Dream

I havent ever been a domme to any boys, so I couldnt admit or not admit that, lol.

I will point out although I have participated online I am not actively involved in the scene there.

Online, very briefly I watched over a girl who was without a Mistress (since I was dating her at the time) , she was the type who was uncomfortable not being overseen. That would sum up my entire "Domme" experience.

The men I have met who were subbies tend to be what my kids would call "Emo" usually young (20ish), and often Bi or into Bi fantasies (such as strap on from the domme). While the gorean male slaves are usually less entertained by being a sex slave and more by the idea of being a personal servant to the Free Woman who owns them.

I find extremely inflexible people unattractive. Anyone who tries to make me admit they are right and I am wrong without room for opinion is going to annoy me.

A dominant that actually is able to handle actual intellectual debate? Have not actually met many of those.

I think honesty would help more than soft-pedalling. To invite anyone into this or any other environment under with a polished impression of what it is neither serves those ppl or the people who were already attracted to what it was. But it's an open and sometimes shameful secret that many Free Women and Panther girls crave that domination even if only as a quick fix, and their preferred slaves are femme girls.

This may very well be because only those drawn to maledom environments are to some degree in agreement with that male domination, but I'm now running an environment that has NO gender double-standard. And so that reason doesn't hold up when the ladies of power, of which there are many more than men, are begging to be taken and used like slaves behind their discretely secured doors, or getting frustrated when they're not.

Em...you admit that you haven't had the same breadth of RL experience, and so My insights aren't legitimate terms for debate? I'm inflexible because...I haven't started agreeing with you yet?

Maybe I'm wrong in perceiving that you're attributing those comments to Me, if that's the case I apologize in advance. After all, I haven't much disagreed with you either, but I do have something to add to certain points.

as much as we miss General, this isn't it and can't be allowed to be used as such.

this thread has done its job and has outlived its usefullness by simply becoming a discussion about the pros/cons of Gor. as such, i must close this thread, but i will submit to Linden Review just in case they feel it should be allowed to continue.

(admittedly, it is one of the tamer and more decent conversations i've ever seen on this topic!)


Torley Linden:
This forum should focus on Residents helping Residents — that's why it exists. General discussion can be done inworld on or other forums. This thread stays closed, thanks!