How can an roadside billboard network function in Second Life?

No Tyrian, there's no suggestion that you should be the only one to do this - the point is rather that some of us want to see ALL advertisers gone. Like many others, I go out of my way NOT to patronise businesses that support external advertising in SL (I have nothing against in-store advertising, of course).

Some of us (me included) have plenty of 'real' world experience in advertising and marketing, but we don't WANT to spend our SL time doing more of the same, so thanks for the chance to make an impact, but no thanks, it's not the impact I want. You're on your own here kiddo. If you truly want to make a difference, listen to the opinions you asked for and act on them, rather than trying to bring everyone around to your way of thinking.

Michael is right that you're doing a poor job of 'winning hearts and minds'. You do nothing to endear yourself or your business when you accuse people who post their honest responses of flamebaiting and trolling. As for constantly wanting reassurance that you're not as bad as some of the other advertisers out there - does your ego need stroking that badly?

Sorry, I'm through wasting breath on this one, so I won't be posting again, though I suspect you'll go on and on trying to justify your position. Now... if I can just find my rose-coloured spectacles...

/me grins

Yes, based on what you said in the previous post compared to what she said.

It is my opinion, so go right ahead.

Oh that installation isn't ours. We do not have that type of billboards, and never put 3 regulars on top of each other X) That middle one stands quite well out of there.

I'll post pictures soon of our billboards here as well

Someone here complained about RL and Web advertisers, our clientele is all SL users & businesess, we have had some who have RL businesses and use SL as their RL business marketing place by doing attractions. I wonder were that directed to me.

Here's more information about us: http://www.sl-international-business.com/mainostaulu-advertising.php

So facts don't take part in your opinion making? That explains a lot.


No really, what incentive would i even have for doing something like that? I would have preferred to give her the 256sqm piece at her offered price.

blah blah blah blah blah

ibtl

Do us all a favor and stop doing us your kind of favors, k?



Oh, I am sure they are. What else would anyone expect you to say?



Yeah, that's what Ginko Guy said when we called his business a Ponzi scheme, too.



No, WE knew it was coming weeks ago, whether the Lindens were ready to admit it or not. Made quite a few bucks? Seriously doubt that; not at L$3/sqm, anyway.



Never said I hate all forms of advertising; nice try though.

ONLY the odious, noxious, in-your-face SPAM advertising methods to all the neighbors and visitors next to your signs.

Why am I so fanatical about this issue? Take ONE look outside the front door of my place in my home region and you will have your answer. No, not the escort club. Nothing they do bothers me in the least. Go to my friends' places. Look out their windows. No matter where I go, *smack* right in the face.

Look, you're obviously a noob in this business, so let me explain it to you. Excessive advertising pisses people off. It doesn't make them want to buy. THAT is your goal, getting them to buy. You are EPICALLY FAILING to entice people to buy your clients' products and services. Instead, you are incensing their potential client base to the point of us actively pursuing your clients and telling them that we will NEVER EVER do business with them, because they support spam advertising methods. It is COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE to your and their bottom line. Period.

Why you can't or won't see that I don't understand, but it isn't my problem. My problem is finding a way to put an end to the visual spam. If it takes hounding the Lindens until they are sick of hearing about it and actually DO something about it, then that is what I will do. Failing that, if it takes organizing fellow residents into a grass roots effort to boycott your (not just you, specifically; all spam advertisers and land extortionists) business model, then that is what I will do. It may take months. It may take a year, but don't think for a minute it isn't and won't be wildly successful, one way or another. This is a serious SERIOUS problem, and it needs to be dealt with.

Now, you have the ability and knowledge to ADAPT to the situation and stop being part of the problem. Whether you do or not is up to you. I am always willing and open to helping someone who is open and willing to accept help. But I can only lead the horse to water, and all that rot.

Too late; I already built walls around my place so I don't have to look at your (again, not just *you* personally) spam.

But, yeah, you'd get ARed. The difference is that my business is a legitimate business that makes good use of REAL plots, I am actually there, and I am a good neighbor. You, on the other hand, are not. Also, if it came down to land voting, you wouldn't even begin to have a say in what happens in the region.

I encase / block ads quite often. I've been ARed. Nothing has happened. Why? Because I am allowed to build what I want on my land, just like you are (for now) allowed to build what you want on yours, even if it is a 16sqm donut hole in the middle of THOUSANDS of sqm of my land. If I have to build a stylish tower around the Blight so I and my customers don't have to look at your spam, then that's what will happen. I won't encroach, I won't prevent you access to your land (I presently still do not use Landmine or Clocktower), and your view from your land is relatively unobscured. But when you are in the middle of my land, what do you expect me to do? Just bend over and take it up the tailpipe some more?

Absolutely. Internally-viewable advertising only. None of that pisses me off, because it is entirely optional for me to have to see it. I expect that some amount of advertising will be offered INSIDE of venues. That is great and fine for me.

Even if it is unrelated and irrelevant ads, I don't care. I am only in any one venue for a short time, so I can handle the exposure to advertising for that long. It isn't excessive, and if I feel it is, I can leave.

However, when it is outside my doorstep 24/7, smacking me in the face every time I look around, yeah, it's gonna get hated on. Who wouldn't?

I bet Tyrian and the rest of the spam advertisers would hate for me to buy up some of the road easement outside their homes and businesses in RL (or SL) and put up neon flashing billboards. What part of "Do unto others what you would have them do unto you" do these people miss?

I sense that you are repressing your feelings on this, you have deep seated Resentment and seem to be a SPAMaphobe... as a Dragon you should be breathing Fire a little more often

Nor are the hundreds and thousands who cheer when your spam is blocked from their view.



Nope. Nor would I like to advertise with a company who uses spam marketing tactics and incites people to block my ads, either. I don't want to anger my customerbase. I want them to be happy and come buy my stuff. Is this really so hard to understand?



Might want to get going on that; your competitors are already there, and more are on the way.

I think by now you have gotten your answer, Tyrian. People who see the ads feel they are offensive. Therefore not effective.

No, the general opinion here is that you should become a respectable, savvy, SMART businessman and listen to your customers' customers, then change and ADAPT to their needs and demands. You know, like REAL businesses do?



Yes, but there's a difference. While it may be in the nature of advertising that not everyone likes it, it is in YOUR best interests to MINIMIZE that impact, not MAXIMIZE it.

I don't know anyone who hates classified ads, in SL or RL. Well, except the whiners who complain that they have to spend too much money to get to the top of the list. Wah. Here's a clue for them, too: I don't necessarily buy from the guy at the top of the list. More often than not, I buy from some dude near the bottom of the list because he actually has what I want/need, and for a fair price, since he doesn't have to spend umpteen millions of L$ on his classified ads to get the #1 slot every week. I also tend to try and buy from the "little guy", because I like the more personal service and attention to my needs that I get.



That's the exact same argument used by the owners of Ponzi schemes..err.. *cough* "banks". "We're here, we have customers, and we're gonna stay until Linden Lab boots us (or we get our arse caught in a serious crack)." Well, guess what happened?



Zoning is being tossed around... for NEW mainland. Old mainland will not be affected. That's 4000 regions of mainland which will not be affected by any such policy. Zoning won't address this issue, and the Lindens know it. What they don't know is that regions where spam advertising is allowed are going to be shunned and have lower value than regions which are not.

However, ya know.. if LL offered free tier for those regions, except to spam advertisers, I wouldn't have a problem. You wanna serve ads to me and my customers? YOU pay my tier. Fair is fair. That's the way the rest of the real advertising systems work in the real world.



Just because something noxious is present doesn't ordain that it shall always be present, or even have a right to be so. Gambling, banks, etc have fallen before the Linden banhammer. There's no reason to believe that spam advertising won't be subject to the same fate.



Your "Much work" needs more work.



Yeah, calling people names, baiting them, dismissing them and their ideas completely out of hand really demonstrates your Spirit of Cooperation.

Listen to me, Tyrian: I DON'T WANT YOU TO STOP RUNNING YOUR NETWORK. I simply want you to find ways to run it responsibly. The outdoor advertising model in virtual worlds is NEVER going to be accepted as valid by the vast majority of the participants, unless you do things which are and have been shown to be, through practice, not profitable. Hell, even RL advertising companies shy away from it. Why do you cling to it soooo tightly? I mean, are you nothing more than a one-trick pony? If so, then your business will live or die by that monocularism and tunnel vision.



Nice speech *claps*.

If >90% of the people in this thread telling you pretty much the same EXACT thing isn't making an impact on your thought processes, what will? The problem is that you have cognitive dissonance over the entire subject. You ask for input, but aren't even remotely willing to listen to the input you are getting. What is the point in saying anything else to you? YOU __ JUST __ DON'T __ GET IT.

We've given you ways to make your business both profitable and respectable. Hell, even as a potential competitor, I am telling you how I am probably going to run my network. Why should I want to help you? Yet, here I am.

There simply is no way to give you the answer that you so desperately crave. In fact, you've already limited the answer set to the impossible and the absurd. So, what else do you expect anyone to tell you?

Why don't you stop wasting all the valuable advice that you are getting here and TAKE ADVANTAGE of it to make yourself and your business more respectable AND profitable? Gads, can you just imagine what your competitors are getting out of all of this?

Wow. You really do have blinders on. Why should anyone waste any more time with you?



EPIC FAIL



EPIC FAIL



Are you profiting from EPIC FAIL? If so, that's amazing. Might want to add your entry to Encyclopedia Dramatica.



No, I think we recognize the truth of the matter just fine.

I've been trying REALLY hard to stay out of this thread - since I'm quite ill, I wouldn't be very nice to deal with here. But I have to pitch in just to say that Talarus has really hit the nail on the head with these comments. Tyrian, I hope that you read what Talarus says carefully. He has obviously listened to how other residents feel about advertising in SL and he's willing to act accordingly. Things do change in SL, you know.

To be fair, that isn't his network. That's MGK's. Still, I am sure that MGK defends their network just as vigorously and for the exact same reasons that Tyrian is here.

I could say the same for you, bud.



What incentive would you have for NOT doing it even then? It was clear why she wanted the land. You just turned it petty and changed the deal to spite her because you didn't want to recognize her "protest" against you for what it was.

In fact, I daresay you had even MORE incentive to move out of there, since now you have to come back and police it constantly since you KNOW she is going to continue to try and block it at every opportunity.

See? That's why you're failing here, for the EXACT SAME reasons. You don't want to understand why people are thinking the way they do; in fact, you are good with upping the ante and make all of us even more angry with you AND your industry in general by turning it petty and being obstinant.

Yes, I can see where this is making such a huge positive impact all around.

As a business owner I did use one advertise board system, which was only displayed in malls (at least that was told...). Since I did not find the system trustworthy enough back then, I decided to give it a rest.

Of course I want my business name out there as much as possible, but only at places that are ment for it. Not at roadsides, not next to residential parcels. But in malls, shops, any commercial venue will do.

So what is the result of this thread?
I might consider an add at NCI. That would be about the only organisation I trust to put the addboards in places they belong.

Oh gods, if only..... O.o

Your business depends on the traffic generated by atttractions land owners in the mainland sims develop and promote. Your just leeching off of the community and de-valuing people's investments.

And we are explaining to you that your adplots are visually greifing the mainland residents. One greif deserves another. Listen to that.

The only way you can 'benefit' the community is by removing the blight you purposely put across the mainland landscape. Start a business that does not visually greif other residents.

Utter nonsense.

The group that has your number, buddy.

While that isn't Tyrian's, it's not all that far off from the spinning cylindrical column that has just as many ads, or more. Only real difference? Tyrian's has Mainostolu showing up more often, on the black part that separates the spinning ads. ::eyeroll::

So it seems that our <cough>righteous<cough> adfarmers have taken it upon themselves to lecture and hector us unwashed plebs into the greatness of their schemes yet again....

And what a surprise... no matter how many 'facts, figures and statistics' or browbeating bullying is dished out the fact remains that most residents don't want ad farm billboards. As a matter of fact I'd wager a substantial amount of L$ that the only people who are in favour of ad farms and billboards are the people running them (and their sock-puppet alts).

A round of applause please for Talarus who has so gamely countered every bogus argument and statistic fielded by the Ad Farmers and their sock-puppets in this thread.

They all Defend their network just as Vigorously. They defend their right to put up ugly signs saying that everyone has the right to build anything on their land that they want to. However they all get completely outraged if you set up ugly signs in front of their ugly signs and scream bloody murder and that the Lindens shouldn't let you put up things on your land that just happens to completely surround their tiny little Ad-lot. Heaven forbid that you respond to them, then your a Troll and completely unreasonable.

They WILL Assimilate us... the Borg never quit.

Until the Mainland is entirely 16m Ad lots they will be setting up ads... muttering under their breath that you cant stop the future

Have you ever seen a borg-ed Dragon?

No?

There's a reason why.

The Concept Borg-gles the imagination.