How can an roadside billboard network function in Second Life?
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Gabriele Graves
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06-17-2008 19:17
From: Desmond Shang No, you got my point When I first signed in, my first impression of Second Life was sort of like this: So I fully expected to see a bit of tawdry, and it didn't phase me much in the early days. Now it bugs me, because I know the grid can be so much more.  Great, please forgive my ninja editing but I kinda realised my first bit was superfluous.
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06-17-2008 19:27
From: Lindal Kidd The Lindens think so too. They have places just like this, called "Infohubs". I hear Bear has a really nice one to hang out in.
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Gabriele Graves
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06-17-2008 19:30
From: Chris Norse I hear Bear has a really nice one to hang out in. Arrrrgh, you just had to didn't you? From: Gabriele Graves OMG Someone now only has to mention a certain famous infohub and we have a trifecta in play  Trifecta now in play...*heats popcorn and waits*
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Osgeld Barmy
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06-17-2008 19:30
if you want to spend a ton of money buying land to setup billboards everyone in this day and age is naturally trained to ignore on roads that noone uses go for it
i have some magic beans for sale too
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Gabriele Graves
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06-17-2008 19:32
From: Osgeld Barmy if you want to spend a ton of money buying land to setup billboards everyone in this day and age is naturally trained to ignore on roads that noone uses go for it i have some magic beans for sale too Ummm read up, people do use the roads.
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Talarus Luan
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06-17-2008 19:32
Ooo... are those the kind that make you see pretty colors?
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Talarus Luan
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06-17-2008 19:33
From: Gabriele Graves Ummm read up, people do use the roads. OK. So one person uses the roads.. check. 
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Cristalle Karami
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06-17-2008 19:34
Roads are a good way of exploring. There are people who use the roads but I sincerely doubt that they focus on the ads.
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06-17-2008 19:35
From: Talarus Luan OK. So one person uses the roads.. check.  Lol we are so many more than just me, its just that there are a lot of roads to play on and granted we are probably not hugely numerous compared to the population size generally. However we are there. 
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06-17-2008 19:36
From: Cristalle Karami Roads are a good way of exploring. There are people who use the roads but I sincerely doubt that they focus on the ads. Agreed.
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Talarus Luan
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06-17-2008 19:38
Personally, I would rather torpedo the road out in front of my place until the rubble bounces. It's annoying as hell to build anything significant on land adjacent to a curved road. :-/
Especially a road whose mean height is 10m above the raw terrain on my side.
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Gabriele Graves
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06-17-2008 19:40
From: Talarus Luan Personally, I would rather torpedo the road out in front of my place until the rubble bounces. It's annoying as hell to build anything significant on land adjacent to a curved road. :-/ Especially a road whose mean height is 10m above the raw terrain on my side. Then why do you remain there when there is land abundant that maybe more to your liking? Roadside land is really suited only to people who like having the roads there in my opinion.
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06-17-2008 19:44
From: Gabriele Graves Then why do you remain there when there is land abundant that maybe more to your liking? Roadside land is really suited only to people who like having the roads there in my opinion. I'm in a similar position... land along a [censored] Linden road, that's still riddled with adcutters and (not for sale) ad plots. I'd looooooove to move! Unfortunately, right now, I don't have the cash to buy an equivalent amount of land straight up (about 2/3 of a sim) and I couldn't sell the land I have for enough to cover an equivalent amount of land elsewhere because, y'know, the land NOT next to a Linden road is rather more valued by people who AREN'T adcutters and therefore costs a bit more than my non-ad land next to a Linden road. [sigh]
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From: Jake Black I dont know what the actual answer is.. I just know LLs response was at best...flaccid. From: Solomon Devoix That's a very good way to put it, and now I know why we still haven't seen the promised blog entry...
...the Lindens are still waiting for their shipment of Lie-agra to come in to firm up their flaccid reasoning.
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Osgeld Barmy
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06-17-2008 19:48
From: Talarus Luan Ooo... are those the kind that make you see pretty colors? yes 
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06-17-2008 19:51
From: Solomon Devoix I'm in a similar position... land along a [censored] Linden road, that's still riddled with adcutters and (not for sale) ad plots. I'd looooooove to move! Unfortunately, right now, I don't have the cash to buy an equivalent amount of land straight up (about 2/3 of a sim) and I couldn't sell the land I have for enough to cover an equivalent amount of land elsewhere because, y'know, the land NOT next to a Linden road is rather more valued by people who AREN'T adcutters and therefore costs a bit more than my non-ad land next to a Linden road. [sigh] Well that I do understand but I get the sense that you dislike the road only because of the mess that is there and not because you don't like road? It seems Talrus just does not like roads which kinda begs the question, why buy there in the first place?
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Solomon Devoix
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06-17-2008 19:55
From: Gabriele Graves Well that I do understand but I get the sense that you dislike the road only because of the mess that is there and not because you don't like road? It seems Talrus just does not like roads which kinda begs the question, why buy there in the first place? Well, I don't like the mess, and I don't like the fact that it cuts my land into two large chunks, so some neat, large-scale builds I wanted to do, I can't because I'd be overlapping the Linden road. As to why buy there? Hindsight is 20/20. When I bought land in that sim, I had no idea what having "Linden Protected Area" in a sim would mean...
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From: Jake Black I dont know what the actual answer is.. I just know LLs response was at best...flaccid. From: Solomon Devoix That's a very good way to put it, and now I know why we still haven't seen the promised blog entry...
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Talarus Luan
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06-17-2008 20:24
From: Gabriele Graves Then why do you remain there when there is land abundant that maybe more to your liking? Roadside land is really suited only to people who like having the roads there in my opinion. Because I have invested quite a bit of money when land prices were high, and land was in demand. Now, even IF I could sell, I probably couldn't get enough to buy 1/4 of the land I presently have. From: Gabriele Graves It seems Talrus just does not like roads which kinda begs the question, why buy there in the first place? 1) When I bought the original parcel of land, there wasn't a road there. 2) I never said I don't like roads. 3) The road that was eventually built is a HIGH way, and I do mean HIGH. I figured that they would have put the road, well, down in the roadbed that was reserved for it, rather than build what amounts to a very long, thin parking garage. 4) The road makes a constantly changing diagonal through the entire sim, and the frontage on my side is exceptionally choppy along where my mall is, so there is some leftover land that I just can't do anything with. Well, I guess I can use the prims from it, but that's about all it is good for. 5) Oh, and building an entrance to the mall for foot traffic from the road (yeah I know, it's just an aesthetic, but still) is a severe pain in the tail.
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06-17-2008 21:17
From: Talarus Luan But, they are, so no allowances need be made.  Yep, which stops at the borders of "my world, my imagination".  See, I don't think you're really a dragon.....
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Talarus Luan
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06-17-2008 21:30
From: Snowflake Fairymeadow See, I don't think you're really a dragon..... That's OK. I don't really think you are a snowflake, either. 
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Gabriele Graves
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06-17-2008 22:02
From: Talarus Luan Because I have invested quite a bit of money when land prices were high, and land was in demand. Now, even IF I could sell, I probably couldn't get enough to buy 1/4 of the land I presently have. Except prices are much lower now, what you sell at will probably be what you buy at too. The only people who should be losing out are the ones who want to cash out completely. From: Talarus Luan 1) When I bought the original parcel of land, there wasn't a road there. There would have been space for a road though. From: Talarus Luan 2) I never said I don't like roads. I did not say you did. I just said it *seems* like you don't. From: Talarus Luan 3) The road that was eventually built is a HIGH way, and I do mean HIGH. I figured that they would have put the road, well, down in the roadbed that was reserved for it, rather than build what amounts to a very long, thin parking garage. Agreed that sucks if you don't like it. From: Talarus Luan 4) The road makes a constantly changing diagonal through the entire sim, and the frontage on my side is exceptionally choppy along where my mall is, so there is some leftover land that I just can't do anything with. Well, I guess I can use the prims from it, but that's about all it is good for. Are you actually saying the route of the road changes? Not sure what you mean. From: Talarus Luan 5) Oh, and building an entrance to the mall for foot traffic from the road (yeah I know, it's just an aesthetic, but still) is a severe pain in the tail. Agreed it is a pain. There are always little things we don't like about the land we bought though near roads or not.
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Talarus Luan
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06-17-2008 22:21
From: Gabriele Graves Except prices are much lower now, what you sell at will probably be what you buy at too. The only people who should be losing out are the ones who want to cash out completely. Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be the case. Most places around 1/2 sim are still pretty pricey, and they aren't selling. So, while I may be able to dump mine for average price, I would have to be VERY lucky to find a better half sim for the money I get. Plus, I like my sim. It's nice and quiet, compared to most places, and the neighbors are great. From: someone There would have been space for a road though. Well, there was "protected land". We didn't know what it was going to be at the time. Road, river, who knew? Like I said, we figured it would be a road, but not the raised highway sort of road. From: someone I did not say you did. I just said it *seems* like you don't. Well, now you know.  I don't like *this* road.  From: someone Are you actually saying the route of the road changes? Not sure what you mean. It is a curving road, not only in X/Y, but also in Z. Has a very high grade over short distances. So it makes things very hard for adjacent land on my side of it. From: someone There are always little things we don't like about the land we bought though near roads or not. True. In my case, it is just *this* road.
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06-17-2008 22:40
From: Tyrian Camilo Just what i were worrying over, that vocal minority is again the loudest here aswell. Instead of providing something USEFULL, they just prefer to bash and troll. The irony is that most times when someone like that does something, they are breaching TOS or community standards. Infact, they most often seem to be thugs and griefers alike. So, how abuot SOMETHING USEFULL? The ads and billboards aren't going anywhere, it's about time these ad haters would realize that their actions are futile, and realize that they have a choice to do something to benefit, in other words, get on the development, and therefore get their opinions of annoy points displayed. the irony is that people seem to prefer huge porn ads over nice billboards  Dear Ad Hater, Next time you decide to complain, think about would you see this advertising rather than the obnoxious sodomistic ads, or maybe even those which are designed to annoy you. it seems this so called vocal minority you talk about is actually the majority. So the forum regulars are all thugs and griefers, hahahahahahaha  . Funny how your trying to sell your ad network now it is no longer profitable because you can't make a profit form selling the plots like you did before the ad farming ban. You sir are nothing but an ad-farmer in sheeps clothing!!
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06-17-2008 23:24
so im wondering how many of these billboards are located on private estates.
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Nimbus Rau
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06-18-2008 02:33
From: Valentino Tendaze Make that 16-21
I *absolutely* agree with *all* the anti-outdoor ad network / anti-ad farm posts in this thread.
I have only been part of the "quiet majority" until now as I have not been online... Me too. One of Tyrian's ad displays is in my home sim Firespire, next to the waterway that runs down the middle of my land. Note that Firespire is a PG sim, and yet this adboard (which cycles through textures for extra bonus lag) often displays ads for BDSM clubs and sex clubs. Tyrian, if you're genuine about wanting to fit your adboards to the environments that they're in, how about KEEPING THE ADS SHOWN IN PG SIMS PG? You say in your original post that you put in a lot of effort to work with neighbours with your ad network. Well, I'm a neighbour. Care to work with me on this?
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06-18-2008 04:00
From: Desmond Shang I've heard theories like this before - I think it was Seth Godin (famous marketing guy, sethgodin.com) that said an ad had to be seen something like 17 times before it really had much effect. I really hope I'm not misquoting him - but there's an idea like that floating around out there. Yes thats for the most part correct. I took a psychology in advertising course last year. it's really quite interesting to me. But companies generally use billboards as the 'last stop' in the advertising world. They always get some 1-2 seconds of attention, really can't have a lot of info, because people see them usually in passing in a car. So they are really used just as a reinforcement, never really as a primary source for info. Because even in RL they really don't work. From what I know anyway. I mean one can argue that they are better than nothing, and I suppose they are. But for the most part they are also easily forgotten. I mean seriously ask any one of these people who they are boycotting via these ads. These people who say they will avoid shopping at placed that use ad farms. They couldn't tell you who these companies are. That's how fast people forget adverts.
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