How can an roadside billboard network function in Second Life?

Definitely! I'll check that i remembered to mark ads of adult nature as mature. Infact, i'm going to roll in at one point to the billboards something so that people can more easily report "bad" textures etc.

Is the installation in Firespire otherwise ok?



Shez forgot to mention that there was a reason i refused to sell to her in end: That blocking causes us revenue loss. Selling after such an action, and accepting her business to any of our services, would be a bit like first getting the shit kicked out by a thug and your wallet stolen by him, and then you offer the thug to fuck your wife. Mind my language X)

Yes, we are downsizing 256sqms to smaller 64sqm installation, smaller installations, less ads. Why? It makes no sense to have 256sqms, needs too many billboards to be sensible business.

Thank you for atleast attempting what this thread was intended for
Unfortunately what you propose is not viable business plan, and to think otherwise would be looking through rose colored glasses. Especially ONE small for 512sqm.

Ok, if it's an attraction, it's expected to have more impressions, but then the location becomes pretty much irrelevant, sure few of these could exist, but at large i doubt advertisers would be willing to pay about 800L$/Month/Location which has maybe what 30 different ad viewers? I would suspect it's pretty much same people who would visit the place again and again.

Also, yea, mainland is pretty much wasteland as you describe it. There's currently no chance in hell we get rid of the true extortionists and land griefers



Ty for the latter part, i'll see viability to rent from a few malls a small space primarily to promote my own services but aswell our advertising network.

Actually i would believe that 'trickle effect' is even stronger on SL, because on particular sim it's like 50% regular visitors over there However, i might be wrong, and this would need some studying. Interested working for an SL advertising network? Your skills might be of high use to us in enhancing the network

Would it really be an network if it would be disseparate installations by multiple individuals? Central authority should manage that.




Exactly, we do billboards with taste, non-intrusive manner, unfortunately, we still do draw some of that negativity. Most in this thread hasn't even bothered to check what we actually do, but immediately think we are the same as the worst example of ad farmers/land extortionists a'la umnik hax and robo marx

We have billboards on our estate, roadside, not many of them, few here and there. Also, we just talked with BNT, and in a few days we should be having our billboards in all of their estates, deal is finishing up and pending an press release when finished.



IM me in-world, we have land for sale as low as under 4L$/sqm, and if you got a waterfront, we are comfortable on offering even over 4L$/sqm. Also, we got plenty of estates, and our largest vacant area is quarter sim with couple % prim bonus. If estate is to your taste, we could even do 1:1 swap, and include a month or two of tier to your way, no money moves, you get immediate advantage of the perks we offer </plug>

Now that being said, if you can, buy the land now, loan or something (<plug>we offer mortgages</plug>, and sell your old land in a month or so, prices are about to go up again! They silently stopped flooding the market.



Yeah, what i didn't expect here in the forums, but also you neglected to actually check what we ACTUALLY do.

Do i need to remind that we used to sponsor a bunch of public areas, and support arbor as much as we can?

Ty for your concern, sir, but we are very much profitable, thank you




So, we know that outdoors advertising isn't going to disappear anytime soon from mainland, and we should work to atleast make it a better situation, not as obtrusive as the average ad is on mainland. That's why mainostaulu was formed. Ask yourself would you rather see my ads & installations, or those blocks which go up & down? or some nasty porn pictures? or those 50meters tall obelisks? We do afterall have the nicest and least obtrusive billboards

Is anyone HERE with me on the idea that we could ATLEAST ease the situation? Make the situation more bareable? Aslong before anything major happens we will keep seeing small ad parcels, the question is, do we want to see the obtrusive designed to annoy stuff, or do we want to see something nicer, not-so obtrusive and proper marketing efforts?

Billboards? Ad farms? =s the same thing to my VIEW, sorries.

It'll be less not-ok when you do remove the ads for so-called "gentlemen's clubs" and bdsm clubs from the display in my PG home sim. In general, I loathe advertising plots. In cases like this, with a tiny plot that contains a very visually noisy glowing ad that is in an region that the plot-owner is not otherwise involved in, it feels *very* intrusive to me. It feels to me as if you're trying to piggyback on the traffic that my business (and others) bring into the sim and get a free ride thereby. You're not adding anything positive to my home sim, you're using it for the traffic that my efforts bring to it, and cheapening and uglifying it thereby.

I grant you that as ad boards go, yours are less offensive than some. The one in my sim doesn't rotate, for one thing. But it is still a full-bright, texture-changing eyesore that I deliberately manipulate my view distance in order to avoid having to see. I wish that wasn't necessary, because it's otherwise a very attractive water sim.

That must be quite an interesting deal.

Ad billboards on my estate would pretty much obliterate the appeal of the place. Not sure about the BNT estates, but for Caledon it would be a suicidal move to add billboards. I don't exactly need a market study to figure that one out.

None of my business of course, but I quietly wonder how much it is costing you - and if it will be worth it. I wonder if the people in that estate know it is coming?

They operate on the theory that "it best if they never knew what hit them"

Except she didn't say that. She said that she offered L$10/sqm for your billboard land, that you instead jacked the price to L$13/sqm, AFTER having agreed to sell it for L$10/sqm, cut the parcel, moving your adcrap slightly. I don't think she misrepresented her intentions at all. So, one of the two of you is lying. I know whom I am inclined to believe.



..not to mention that it irritates the locals even more.

Of course, now I have General Nuisance putting up his adtowers in my region, one of them now even blocks your ads, which is supreme irony. Well, at least he is living up to his group identity of "Nuisance Marketing".

I'm sure it's targeted marketing. All dragons need status-symbol diaper bags, don't they?

Agreed. I flew through Mapaquapit and saw a 512M roadside I bought it and some land behind it and put up a small venue (Date Bar). The 16M plots across the street had nothing on them and it looked as if the sim was healing. As soon as my venue started to generate traffic the vultures came back. I had to put up tree texture privacy screen around the venue to block them. Now they resort to towers and spinners.

Oh, never say never. It is already happening. With the policy in February, Umnik is gone (though he did come back for a brief spell). There are regular warnings and suspensions on the blotter, and there are mounting grass-roots efforts to rid the mainland of The Blight.

Don't think it will happen? Well I, for one, hope that our enemies sit back on their laurels thinking they are beyond/above reproach. Makes it all so much easier for us.



Sure it is. When you cycle the same ads in view range of someone's HOME 1500 times a day, they remember. However, what they remember is how much they LOATHE those advertisers, and remember when they actually see their businesses in SL (and RL), to simply walk away, if not pay them a visit and give them a piece of their mind over their "choice of advertising methods". Something I am known to do when I am fed up with the BS.

I love it when one Ad tower blocks off another.

Just for the record, about the Ad tower I have completely encased in San, I have never offered the owner of the land an Insultingly low price for their land. I respect their right to build anything they want on their land and I believe they should respect my right to build something on all four sides of it on my land.

Funny how some of them think they're entitled to a view. It goes both ways: if ad farmers don't like the view, buy it.

No I was very nice they still have the view, the inside of the prim is Transparent and it is Phantom so they can still have access to their plot. I wouldn't want to block their view of the rest of the San.

I'm not as generous. I put a sky texture on mine, though, on both sides.

I'm sometimes even "nicer"--I often make them phantom and transparent on *both* sides.

View: indisputably unblocked.
Access: indisputably unblocked.
Clicks: uh, ...

Dude, I KNOW what you do. Here's a lovely sample:

http://etakeh-oh.net/adless/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/adfarm_003.jpg

Are you the EXACT SAME as they are? No, and no one ever said you were. However, you ARE in the same category, as far as we are concerned, which gains you little. Truly, there are shades of grey from black to white, but don't go and polish that halo just yet.



Boy, I sure would hate to be one of the residents there when that crap goes up. I'd be out of there in a hot minute, to be sure.



Oh, yay! To be under the thumb of an "advertiser" on his own estate to be force-fed advertisements all day long! Where do I sign up?

..and anyone selling right now is most likely selling at a loss, so that's not a huge enticement, either.

I think it is kinda telling when an advertiser has to offer estate land or to buy/trade land to get away from The Blight he/she is directly participating in.



Whee! Virtual loansharking, too. Such a reputable business to go along with the advertising.

..and they didn't "silently" stop flooding the market. It's been discussed in the forums for weeks, not to mention has been posted on the blog:

http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/06/17/mainland-supply-on-hold-until-july/



I don't think I need to remind anyone of the parable that doing good does not excuse doing evil. With that mentality, why not rob a bank, then go do a soup kitchen for the hungry for a week to "balance the books". I am sure the bank will understand.



I don't know that at all. I think that, with the mounting pressure from the residents who are EFFING FED UP with all of the BS surrounding outdoor advertising, I think it is likely to be severely curtailed if not outright banned in the near future. Especially since certain people are going out of their way to make the situation as bad as possible.



I would rather NOT see your ads and installations AT ALL, same with the rest of your ilk. It isn't some either/or proposition. There are clearly other options, not only that YOU yourself can take, but that the Lindens WILL take at some point. SMART advertisers will curtail problem aspects of their business for more lucrative and less problematic aspects. It is called "adapting".



Yes, I am with the idea that the situation can be eased and made bearable.. by simply changing your business model AWAY from outdoor spam advertising to something that is sensible, doesn't piss people off, and actually entices people to buy your clients' products and services, rather than hate them for supporting you.

Dude, there's NOTHING unobtrusive about your ads, and they are DEFINITELY not in the class of "proper marketing efforts". Noob wannabee marketing efforts, maybe.

I'm beginning to think my idea of a billboard and everyone else's is different. I've seen what I consider to be billboards in Caledon, they're in the welcome area and advertising a midsomer night's dream.

I don't consider a tower of rotating ads in the sky to be billboards!

Right. The predominant model seems to be a kind of 3D banner ad (remember those?), with all kinds of annoying bells and whistles (animated textures, full-bright, llTargetOmega, etc) analogous to the old pop-up and pop-under ads (remember those?). Maybe sleazier web advertising still tries to use those old tactics, but I don't think there's a browser left on the planet that doesn't defeat them. So in the same vein, LL has a choice here: get rid of the crap, or write-off the Mainland. And with other grids soon to connect, writing off the Mainland would not be a smart move--and they know it.

That's BRILLIANT!!! I never thought of that!!

Wow...

Could also make it give a landmark to almost anywhere I bet

Isn't that sort of activity illegal under those banking policy changes?




And for that matter, aren't unsecured mortgages part of the reason the world economy is in this rut in the first place?

That's what the vast majority of them are selling--the land.

People said the same thing about casinos and "banks". Outdoor advertising in SL could disapear tomorrow if LL decides that getting rid of it will increase their income from the mainland.

For that matter, this is why we have real laws for criminal acts regarding real world land.


Nearly every one of these plots falls under the litmus of being "open and notorious" and "noxious" use of the land -- the sort of act that allows courts to remove property under eminent domain.

For another, extortion-- which is fairly easily proven, in these cases -- is a criminal act covered by sanctions (usually) and upper limits on the fee of sale (rarely).



Now, I'm not a lawyer, but it's pretty obvious that these misuses will continue until there fails to be an economic incentive for extortion and ad-farming at the expense of others. The reason this has not been fixed in the past is there isn't a technical solution or "easy" button to these sorts of cases.



It's only icing that Linden Lab has a short term economic incentive (more private island sales) to prevent any form of policing of this issue.