Casinos - dead and gone w/ new policy?
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Object Pascale
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07-26-2007 05:30
From: XPlorR Moore @Object [snip] You feel it is a big racket. [snip] you feel camping is illegitimate in every way, then there is no need to work with campers, they just need to be eliminated. [snip] I guess you feel we are freeloaders. [snip] I guess you feel L$ should only be for those that contribute. (either work or cash.) [snip] Some like you will be happy, too. [snip] It sounds like you will probably get your way and eventually there will be no camping in SL. [snip] I know, I know, "Cry me a river you waste of virtual space." That's an awful lot of thinking, feeling and supposing you're doing on my behalf XPlorR.
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Locked Semaphore
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07-26-2007 05:42
There is a simple solution. Abolish the L$ exchange rate. The $L will then have no real world value and the gambling issue is closed.
I for one enjoy having the oppertunity to gamble in SL. I have been a resident for over a year. I have never moved a single dollar between RL and SL. All the money I make in SL is spent in SL. I therefore do not consider playing games of chance in SL gambling. However the FEDS do consider the $Lindens that I have in my account to have real world value. Why? Only because the Lindens provide a way for me to exchance them for real dollars. Stop that, and the problem goes away.
I enjoy playing SL because I can aquire nice and fun things to play with. When that aspect of the game goes away, I have no reason to stay here. I suspect that many other players feel the same way.
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Vegas Vuckovic
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07-26-2007 05:55
This is what SL gets for having their head so far up Payal's AZZ. I've seen this scenerio play out somewhere before....... This is 100% driven by Paypal, guaranteed!
Now Ebay can pick up this soon to be desolate ghost town for pennies on the dollar. Very smart. But then again, I really have to wonder who the hell would even want it if no one is here.
For all you naysayers and people that are happy with this decision, soon you'll be crying the blues when all the money in SL dries up and no one is buying your silly shoes and penises. Oh yeah, and your land value just dropped in half.
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Shirley Marquez
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07-26-2007 05:57
From: Locked Semaphore There is a simple solution. Abolish the L$ exchange rate. The $L will then have no real world value and the gambling issue is closed. And eliminate 90% of the nice products that people buy. Most of the highest-quality merchandise in Second Life is created by people who make significant RL income by creating it. Get rid of that incentive to create, and the flow of goods slows to a trickle.
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Chas Connolly
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07-26-2007 05:57
Best news I've heard in a while! Woot! And I don't sell shoes or penises.
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Lecina Enigma
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07-26-2007 06:00
From: Ciaran Laval Yes they can. Blizzard do it with World of Warcraft, they hold competitions, if the local laws forbid the competion, then people in that country cannot enter, but they can still have a corporate presence in that country. Well i think you never looked deep into the Blizzard thing..bad bad bad. Vivendi International has buyed Blizzard, Vivendi was ever a International Concern. Thats how Blizzard got an foot on US-Land...nothing else. And you cannot say : WoW = SL, that are two completly different things.
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Ciaran Laval
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07-26-2007 06:02
From: Lecina Enigma Well i think you never looked deep into the Blizzard thing..bad bad bad.
Vivendi International has buyed Blizzard, Vivendi was ever a International Concern.
Thats how Blizzard got an foot on US-Land...nothing else. I think you'll find that Blizzard already existed and Vivendi incorporated them into their organisation 
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Chas Connolly
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07-26-2007 06:04
From: Laine Langset Just think that the SL economy will be hit hard, a bit too hard. Fair enough everyone doesnt gamble; and to be honest its what you see as gambleing.
The lottery is a form of gambleing, and they have that in US too, therefore lottery tickets in SL must still be ok?
Scratch cards are sold in US, therefore eligible in SL? There are still work arounds but its all long and proberbly not worth the time or day. I think it would be in the best interests of everyone if LL moved out of the US completely - but we all know they wont be doing that; but if "Brighton Rocks" so much; register that as your head office?? Gambleing here in UK is legal in every county.
Booooooooooo LL for giving up the fight and a big F*** You to the US government. If you can gamble and buy scratch cards everywhere except SL, what's the problem?
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Lecina Enigma
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07-26-2007 06:21
From: Ciaran Laval I think you'll find that Blizzard already existed and Vivendi incorporated them into their organisation  Blizzard was there before, i know..i played many of thems games. But to get around of problems with WoW they selled themselfs to an international concern...vivendi. btw Internet was since arpanet controlled by law, and now please think...what is SL part of ?  Problem was only to find illigal things there, now gov`s are getting more intiligent to find them...nothing else is happening these days. btw i'm against control too..but sometimes we have to accept our own errors (electing the false as example  ).
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Suzi Sohmers
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07-26-2007 06:30
From: Vegas Vuckovic This is what SL gets for having their head so far up Payal's AZZ. I've seen this scenerio play out somewhere before....... This is 100% driven by Paypal, guaranteed!
Now Ebay can pick up this soon to be desolate ghost town for pennies on the dollar. Very smart. But then again, I really have to wonder who the hell would even want it if no one is here.
For all you naysayers and people that are happy with this decision, soon you'll be crying the blues when all the money in SL dries up and no one is buying your silly shoes and penises. Oh yeah, and your land value just dropped in half. Wow! You really have the inside information huh? And here was me thinking it had something to do with the fact that on-line gambling's illegal in the US. Boy, am I naive. All part of Paypal's evil plan.......
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Qie Niangao
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07-26-2007 06:33
O how I wish I had tier to buy defunct casino property now! I had a job for a while as builder for one of the larger gaming operations in-world, but the writing was clearly on the wall the day the online gambling bill was signed into law in the US... so I didn't do much building after that. Being objective about it, online gaming in general and SL gaming in particular is *way* beyond the usual distasteful "tax on the stupid" side of gambling: there's absolutely no regulation, and really no reason whatsoever to believe any in-world devices pay out with anything like "fair odds" unless it's either an open source script or one you wrote yourself. At this point I don't suppose anybody could care if this cat escaped the bag: SL casinos were more a Ponzi scheme than a gaming operation. The equipping of a new casino operator was more profitable than the operation of the resulting casino--most of which sat empty most of the time, with dismal traffic counts. So, it took a lot of new casino openings for anybody to make much money, and most operators eventually figured out that they better actively recruit new operators if they wanted to recoup tier.
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Chris Norse
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07-26-2007 06:40
From: Vegas Vuckovic This is what SL gets for having their head so far up Payal's AZZ. I've seen this scenerio play out somewhere before....... This is 100% driven by Paypal, guaranteed!
Now Ebay can pick up this soon to be desolate ghost town for pennies on the dollar. Very smart. But then again, I really have to wonder who the hell would even want it if no one is here.
For all you naysayers and people that are happy with this decision, soon you'll be crying the blues when all the money in SL dries up and no one is buying your silly shoes and penises. Oh yeah, and your land value just dropped in half. How in the world is killing the casinos going to cause this place to become desolate. I have gone to a few of them, usually empty except for a few camp zombies. And it is 100% driven by revisions to the Wire Act passed last November. You attack the clothing and sex industries, but I see a hell of a lot more people using them then I ever did gambling.
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Raudf Fox
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07-26-2007 06:46
From: Chris Norse How in the world is killing the casinos going to cause this place to become desolate. I have gone to a few of them, usually empty except for a few camp zombies. And it is 100% driven by revisions to the Wire Act passed last November.
You attack the clothing and sex industries, but I see a hell of a lot more people using them then I ever did gambling. Amen. Most casinos I visited were either empty ghost towns or camping nightmares. Heck, a lot of them weren't even built to be visually interesting either. Note: Most of the casinos I visited had bland and boring malls attached to them. Once the developer incentive was gone, they should have died. The fact that they didn't baffled me.
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Ciaran Laval
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07-26-2007 06:50
From: Chris Norse How in the world is killing the casinos going to cause this place to become desolate. I have gone to a few of them, usually empty except for a few camp zombies. And it is 100% driven by revisions to the Wire Act passed last November.
Depends upon the knock on effect Chris. For example I know some of my tenants go camping to earn money, which then comes to me. Or maybe someone works in a casino and buys items from my store. If those who earn a living through gambling pull out completely, then there will undoubtedly be a trickle down effect. When they hit sex, that's when we'll see a real impact on the economy, this will probably just be a bit of a wobble. I wish I hadn't purchased land yesterday though.
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Chris Norse
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07-26-2007 06:53
I did buy one plot yesterday. But I plan to pick up some more land within the next week, hopefully I can profit from the land glut that will hit for a few weeks.
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Colette Meiji
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07-26-2007 06:56
From: Laine Langset The lottery is a form of gambleing, and they have that in US too, therefore lottery tickets in SL must still be ok?
The lottery is heavily regulated in places that have it (at least in the US) SO it most likely will not be okay to have a SLottery.
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Colette Meiji
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07-26-2007 06:59
From: Ron Spitteler Personaly I think that the people playing the gambling machines will do something else instead, but banning the games here a larger impact ............
Many clubs get their income from Sploder, which are also gambling machines. Or they have some Zyngo machines ......... If they are no longer able to get money from these, how can they keep their club running? I see not much other ways for clubs to earn money.
And, a SL without clubs will be a dead SL.............. Most clubs lose money - Always have. Even with gambling and sploders, escorts, etc. without the gambling stuff well still have too may clubs - well just have less of them. Everyone still sees owning a club as a way to become popular. Until you take that myth away, they wont be going anywhere.
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Broccoli Curry
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07-26-2007 07:03
From: Colette Meiji without the gambling stuff well still have too may clubs - well just have less of them. Given that most of the clubs are crap laggy builds, and either full of zombies or totally deserted in the first place, is that necessarily a bad thing? After all, if the Playboy Club can't attract people... what hope is there for anyone else? Broccoli
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Colette Meiji
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07-26-2007 07:06
From: Giannia Rossini I'm just in shock contemplating what it would be like to have a SL business that was worth maybe $50,000 yesterday, suddenly worth zippo today. On a poker table with a 600L big blind, turning an average 20000 pot every 2 mins. Even with only 6 hours of play per day, a 2% rake would take in about .02(20000L x 30 x 6) per day. 72000L x 30 days/270 comes out to 8000 a month. So $50000 for Myth Gaming is probably a low estimate for yesterday. And today it's worth what he can sell the sims for.
It's a tough lesson in the value of cyber-assets, and it must be giving pause to every investor in the game, not just the ones who got royally screwed this time. Again - as soon as they banned the use of the word "Casino" in advertizing, these gambling owners should have seen that the writing was on the wall and moved to downsize/liquidate.
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Colette Meiji
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07-26-2007 07:08
From: Broccoli Curry Given that most of the clubs are crap laggy builds, and either full of zombies or totally deserted in the first place, is that necessarily a bad thing?
After all, if the Playboy Club can't attract people... what hope is there for anyone else?
Broccoli I didnt know there was a Playboy club ..lol Tells you how well promoted everything in Secondlife is. Bad promotion and advertizing of clubs is common, meenwhile they complain no one comes to their venue...
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Ciaran Laval
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07-26-2007 07:09
From: Colette Meiji Again - as soon as they banned the use of the word "Casino" in advertizing, these gambling owners should have seen that the writing was on the wall and moved to downsize/liquidate. They should still have been notified properly and given a month at least to sell up and tier down.
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Tybalt Brando
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07-26-2007 07:10
From: Colette Meiji
Everyone still sees owning a club as a way to become popular. Until you take that myth away, they wont be going anywhere.
I should start making flyers: "Want Drama? Want to deal with idiots on a steady basis? Want to lose tons and tons of money? Want to have to pay people to come to your laggy build? Want to buy a prefab club and end up looking like at least two dozen other clubs? Are you a masochist? Then being an SL Club Owner is just for you!!! The welcome back includes such useful notecards as: My employees are completely unprofessional and don't show up. What next? Want Sex Me Now? A Guide to Finding Non-Flaky DJ's And Much Much Much more!!! Come on and open up an SL Club as a means for free poon and popularity! That way you can be just like everybody else!"
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Elex Dusk
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07-26-2007 07:14
From: Ciaran Laval They should still have been notified properly and given a month at least to sell up and tier down. As the policy change regards an illegal activity it's not possible to delay enforcement.
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Angelina Bonito
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07-26-2007 07:17
All they have to do is move there servers to Los Vegas or Atlantic City then Gambling is allowed in the USA pretty simple they dont have to move to Europe
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Colette Meiji
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07-26-2007 07:17
From: Tiberious Neruda And so is SL in general.
Think about it for a second... really THINK about it.
There are, or were, two real industries here, sex and gambling.
Now that gambling is going away, more people will be into the other industry more often, and soon it will make its presence known to LL.
Logically, since LL doesn't want anything negative coming out about the seedier side of our Second Lives to the corporate bodies (for whose masculine reproductive organs LL seems to enjoy having their oral cavity around), they'll make sure they make policies regarding that.
With both real industries now gone, this will shine new light on the problems affecting the platform, and people will be making their runs on the bank. Those that don't run because of the lag, crashing and other glitchiness will soon get bored as the game becomes merely Life and a Half, where you do the same mind-numbing thing to get a bit of spending money, only to have, you guessed it, SL's innate instability to wipe their latest trinket out of their inventories.
For those that continue to stick around, seeing that they can impose their will simply by having a few residents here, more and more countries will be forcing LL to adapt to their laws, and shortly after that happens, your experience will be standing around in void sims called SIM_2547 as non-descript blobs, using heavily auto-censored chat.
Now, I'd presume that SOMETIME before it gets to that final point, the Lindens would have sense enough to just quit hemmoraghing (sp?) money and finally put this now gravely-injured dog to sleep, but considering their previous track record of stellar business decisions.... the Industires in Secondlife are: Skins, shapes, animations, bling, hair, clothes, houses, and ZOMGZ shoes. (etc) Playing house is the number one Second Life pastime - it eclipses the "Sex Industy" (escorts and strippers) by far. The Sex accessories industry (sex beds etc) is bigger, since its tied to playing house. Related to playing house is Role-Play since those people are also pretending to live out lives virtually. The two "vice" industires were Sex and Gambling. And now there is just sex as a vice industry. It would be hard to remove the sex industry without damaging the Playing House people - since sex is part of playing house. If Linden Labs removes playing house .. then were all doomed.
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