Casinos - dead and gone w/ new policy?

Removing so many games, from SL can only be seen as a step backward IMO.
This policy can only have a bad effect on SL and its growth.

*no i am not a SL gambler*

Be under no illusions this will damage the virtual economy across the board. Personally my pockets will be a little heavier though because I never did have any luck with gambling though it doesn't mean I didn't like to have a flutter every now and then.

The thing is that many gambling and dance clubs had integrated facilities and there were MANY residents who used the clubs as social venues to show of their latest appearances and get idea, so the Hair and clothes traders are going to be hit, as will all the employment opportunities for greeters, security etc, which in turn will lead to a lot less Linden dollars going round. More businesses will go to the wall as the tier fees will make it difficult to keep going and that in turn with stifle imagination and creativity.

The long established BIG traders will no doubt baton down the hatches and weather the storm. Speciality traders will of course survive due to loyal customer base and word of mouth, but there is going to be a lot less advertising spend and a lot more newbies (3 million in the last 3 months) pushing each other of the camping chairs that are left.

Scripters, Clothe, Hair and Shoe Makers, Builders, Dancers, Escorts and uncle Tom Cobbly and all are going to feel the cold chill of SLs first Virtual economic depression as a result of this edict from on high.

And to all the smug Moral Nazis who are currently walking around looking like the cat who stole the cream...

You reap what you sow!


Lasher

Gambling attracted a lot of users. And that made the economy tick. Reduce the number of users and you reduce the number of opportunities for creative people to sell their goods. I am not into gambling, but I see a real problem in LL reducing the freedom on the grid step by step until, indeed, it can be painlessly merged with the teen grid.

This is where it gets a bit messy. If the money is real for gambling purposes, then it's real all round which opens the door for the tax man to come knocking.

Unfortunately, your support for an idea doesn't change the situation.
But they don't.
Yes, you and at least thirty-nine others who probably excuse their behaviour with a similar mindset.
But land owners don't have more rights, and campers and camping chair owners (in unison) take advantage of that situation.
Hey, you brought camping into it and suggested anybody who disagreed with your outlook wanted SL all to themselves. I was just responding to that idea.

Well this does confirm what we all probably already knew, L$ do have real value. (or at least enough real value to run afoul of US gambling laws.) I just hope I can pay our new L$ taxes with L$. (I never send any money in or out of the game, it would really suck if I have to start paying real tax dollars for transactions that all took place inworld.) If I have to start paying real $, then I'll probably stop playing SL. The only reason I play SL is because I can do it for free.

What does it matter WHY anyone wants to gamble? AND how does that make them an infestation any more than the people into this underage sex crap that goes on here? I can think of lots of reasons people are into SL that are WAY lamer than just wanting to relax and play some games. So how about you get YOUR butt of SL and go save the planet.

Check out my last post, it explains all the things that i enjoy doing in SL. Not telling you to do those things, but stating that there is so many things to do in Sl that i never once bothered to play Texas Hold Em or what ever else they do at casinos.


That wasn't very nice to say, seams like a cheap shot... :/ Honestly i have a lot of friends around the world because of SL and the web. None of them think I'm a bad person just because i live in this country. You may hate the government (hell even we do) but the citizens have nothing to do with that, we're just people trying to live our lives in some country.

Just think that the SL economy will be hit hard, a bit too hard. Fair enough everyone doesnt gamble; and to be honest its what you see as gambleing.

The lottery is a form of gambleing, and they have that in US too, therefore lottery tickets in SL must still be ok?

Scratch cards are sold in US, therefore eligible in SL? There are still work arounds but its all long and proberbly not worth the time or day. I think it would be in the best interests of everyone if LL moved out of the US completely - but we all know they wont be doing that; but if "Brighton Rocks" so much; register that as your head office?? Gambleing here in UK is legal in every county.

Booooooooooo LL for giving up the fight and a big F*** You to the US government.

Yes, hatred of the United States will go off the scale now gambling has been banned in Second Life.

Besides, isn't Broccoli British? Broccoli the avatar, not Broccoli the nutritious member of the cabbage family.

Only time will tell if the economy will take a bashing. If the knock on effect is bad then there's going to be a whole lot of people complaining about a lack of sales.

I love a particular american, and think your nice people; i just hate your government as im sure alot of US citizens do

I'm not American.

Im sure there will be an initial dip in the amount of transactions of l$ hopefully it doesnt drop too much other wise as you say business owners will be very dissapointed. But the reason why i like(d) SL was because of the political and social freedom, it seems that once again the American government gets a say over the worlds population no matter what your nationality. There is no international law on gambleing online, if there is surely the poker sites that i use from time to time are in breech; which i know they're not..... oh well (sighs)

He he ok, just saying i have nothing against the american people personally

If I first deduct my expenses, this means the IRS owes me about L$ 40000 I think

If SL didn't fall under US jurisdiction it would fall under another, and other freedoms would be impacted instead. For example, if LL moving their servers to Brighton (UK) would allow gambling to continue in SL (and I'm not sure it would because it's more about the facilitation of bets from US citizens), I suspect BDSM would end up with an outright ban due to the "extreme porn" legislation being pushed through parliament right now; mainly because it includes the prohibition of "fictional depictions" of extreme violence.
I'm not sure I understand what "international law" means, but certainly Linden Lab is an American company, making SL an American product subject to American laws.
I know that. I was just sayin'.

Indeed, I come from the Right side of the Atlantic, not the left.

Broccoli (the avatar, not the nutritious member of the cabbage family)

Already covered the fact I'm from the UK. Sorry.

You could learn to use the build tools, for one... after all, this is a "fully immersive 3D world". Think of it like a swimming pool. You can stand up to your neck in water for hours, and achieve nothing. However, start to splash around and suddenly it's fun. Learn to swim, it's even more fun. You have to look for things to do in SL, it doesn't all get given to you on a plate as instant entertainment. There's plenty of places that offer online gambling apart from SL, so if that's the only thing keeping you in SL... you can still feed your addiction elsewhere, it's not like it's the end of the world.

Your profile in-world states "Born an artist of whatever can keep me interested." ... so ... find something else to be interested in instead of gambling?



I think perhaps you need to look a little closer to home before calling people "ignorant".

Broccoli

Clearly one of those hidebound conformists who hold the map with North pointing upwards.

/me runs off to hide in her cupboard

@Object

I was wondering why you dismissed a better sim access system out of hand, but I think I figured it out. And I think I figured you why and others have so much animosity towards campers. You feel it is a big racket. And since you feel camping is illegitimate in every way, then there is no need to work with campers, they just need to be eliminated.
Do you feel that the only way that unskilled and/or socially awkward users should be allowed to get L$ is to pay real money? I guess basically what I'm asking is that do you feel that the only way SL users should be allowed to make L$ is either through SL work or paying real dollars?

I guess you feel we are freeloaders. I guess you feel L$ should only be for those that contribute. (either work or cash.) I signed up for SL to sight see for free, not to work or pay a monthly fee. (or pay micro-transactions either.)

Oh well, who would miss a freeloader. I haven't made my mark on SL, and once I'm gone no one will have know or cared I guess. Some like you will be happy, too.
I guess I'll just keep camping as long as I'm allowed, and move on to other games once I can no longer have my SL fun. It sounds like you will probably get your way and eventually there will be no camping in SL. And 90% of the SL forums will celebrate my and other campers departure.
I'll just keep my head down, and stay out of the way until that time comes. (I know, I'm a camper, I'm always in the way.)

I know, I know, "Cry me a river you waste of virtual space."

PS: Again I know its a bit jarring having this camping debate in the middle of this thread. I apologize.

The gambling ban will not be 'The End Of T3h W0rld'. The sky isn't falling down. The economy will not implode. Gambling is heavily regulated in RL and outright banned in many countries / states / provinces / etc. Does anyone really expect things to be any different on the Internet or in SL? Look at the supposedly legit online gambling sites that were shut down. Do you really think LL is going to put years of hard work and investment as well as the work and content of millions of residents at risk in order to flout / challenege a law on behalf of a small segment of the SL resident population? Not a chance. Get over it, move on and if you really need your online gambling fix you'll have to find it outside of SL.

So is prostituton, so is business in general, shall we apply all RL laws to SL?

This is not about gambling as much as it is the wire transfer of money or credit. As for prostitution, no physical contact is taking place there is no prostitution on the servers.

Since the gambling does not only apply to , roulette, slot-machines but on as it seems any randomizer, like sploders and alike , they have eliminated a source of income for a much larger group of entrepreneur's, then only casino's.

The elimination of Poker (Hold'm) , a game that has a large and growing group of enthusiastic players worldwide (*and also a game that can be won if your holding the worst cards) , certainly will have its seperate impact.
(*never got the time to play in it in SL , but playing with other avatars was certainly appealing)

It will not be the end of "T3h World" , but pretty sure it will have its economic effects , and rule-out a large fan-base