Casinos - dead and gone w/ new policy?

Well you cannot have it both way.

If you insist on the Linden Dollar do be "real" money then you have to obey the laws for "real" businesses in the US. So no gambling. Escorts should be banned next, because it is buying sexual pleasures for real money, with is prostitution. Buying weapons with real money should be banned too... SL will become a disney playground.

If you look at the entire picture SL itself is nothing else than a "make money from home" gambling thing. Close it down entirely?

The only way out is to make die Linden Dollar into game money. Everyone starts with 10.000 Lindens and then let's see.... open your business, create something, be an escort, make virtual money. But you can never cash out nor buy Lindens. Then no law could apply because it's not real money you bet - it is tokens.

I would still sign up for an SL like that because I have no intent to become rich. I just want to have fun. I am a camper too btw. But many others won't. Many users came to SL because it is "real money".

The other solution is to move to Solomon islands.

You know that, and I know that, but it hasn't been LL policy.

Have you actually tried building recently, outside your cozy little private island home?

Sandbox areas are grieferzones, snapback and misrotation is EVERYWHERE, and it's a crapshoot if your work doesn't just simply disappear when you try to Take it.

Buying things? Hell no, especially when you keep getting "The system cannot process your request. The request timed out" to the tune of a few hundred L$.

And av customization? Forget about it! Pieces of your av, and even things inside other objects just vanish mysteriously on you. Sure, it LOOKS like they're there, but I can only take so much "Gesture is missing from database", "Notecard is missing from database" and "Script is missing from database" before wanting to give that up, too.

Face it. Gambling and sex DRIVES this thing until they can iron out the deeply-rooted, underlying bugs that throws the grid into this chaotic mess.

Any comparison of Blizzard and WoW is irrelevant. WoW has an official policy that nothing in-game has real money value, and they actively discourage trading real money for anything in-game. They aren't affected by any gambling laws in any country because they don't deal in any sort of gambling involving real money or even tokens tradeable for real money.

Bingo! You're a smart girl, Isablan. If gambling is as popular as people claim it is then maybe it's time for LL to set up a purpose-built server farm to host gambling sims in a state and/or country that permits gambling. I suppose the big question here would be whether it's actually worth LL's time to go down that path.

I don't have a problem with campers so long as they don't effect the search. Granted, fixing that would do away with the benefit of paying campers, but if you want to sit all day in one spot doing nothing, hey, feel free.

People hate campers because they skew the one thing that people need most in SL, the ability to find places based upon REAL popularity. I refuse to do business anywhere that pays campers on principle. When I search, I tend to ignore the first few results that have tens of thousands more visitors than the next one down.

So, if your idea of a great time in SL is plopping down in a seat and being some sort of vegetable for hours at a time, great. Do it. When it interferes with me finding REAL activities, then yeah, I'm going to wish you'd find another game. I don't want it all to myself, I just want people to stop twisting a system I use.

So, one of the big moneymakers for zombies is gone. Hurrah!

Sigh well that might be a easy thing. Since LLAbs relies on on over 70% of the users to be AFK......... But I do agree with you Sunny

I agree. The real problem is that L$ can be cashed out for real $. Since real money can go in and out of the system, it means L$ have real value. (No matter what LL says.) They could have stopped the conversion of L$ to $, but then they would have gotten a whole new set of people angry. (I'm sure there are actually some people that make their real life livelihoods here.)

(By the way, thanks Monalisa Robbiani. I'm so glad I'm not he ONLY camper on this forum. )

All these people saying that the only reason they play SL is to gamble... good grief, get some imagination people; there are millions of things you can do here that are far more entertaining.

Broccoli

I'd say it would be worth there while just look how popular this thread has been for proof of of big gambling in SL is.

They to remove the grey area regarding slingo etc as as much as people would like to claim it is a game of skill it is really not much differnt from bingo.

Anyone want to go into to business with me, well start a game called third life and operate from the country with the loosest laws possible.
Well raise the funds to start our company on the WSE then buy up all the ad farms in SL to promote our game TL(third life)

Such as t3h s3cks????

<hehehe, just having a friendly dig at ya, Broccoli. How's things?>

I'm surprised some people said they actually made money gambling. If I tried it much, I probably would have run out of L$.

I don't hate campers because of that. I hate campers due to their willingness to overpopulate sims they don't pay a penny towards in costs, thereby rendering huge tracts of land inaccessible to landowners who paid good money for it.
Is it me, or do campers want sims they don't pay for all to themselves?

Well done Lindens, about time.

All we need now is to restrict no payment info AV's to the cornfield.

First of all, I don't want your sim all to myself. I'm perfectly happy if LL setup a system where, when a land owner wants to enter the sim it boots non land owners from the sim. Land owners should always get priority access to the sim. I don't mind, I'm just a visitor to the sim. I know you have much more rights to be on the sim as a land owner than I do.

(PS: This is really offtopic for this thread, if you want to talk about this more we should probably do it on new thread.)

Personaly I think that the people playing the gambling machines will do something else instead, but banning the games here a larger impact ............

Many clubs get their income from Sploder, which are also gambling machines. Or they have some Zyngo machines .........
If they are no longer able to get money from these, how can they keep their club running?
I see not much other ways for clubs to earn money.

And, a SL without clubs will be a dead SL..............

Hmmmm, dont think so ?

Maybe for you, but most of us do alot more in SL then go to laggy clubs.

Perhaps those clubs could try being more creative and give them some kind of schtick to make people want to go to that particular club, rather than just cloning each other?

That's one issue that people don't entirely get in SL. there is no such thing as a local market here. When *every* club is just a click away, there is little reason for someone to stay at any one particular club unless it has something special and unique going for it. You need to distinguish yourself from your competitors. For the same reason, business-in-a-box products will fail, because they are inherently identical to some other business in SL.

SL sex is NOT sex, it's people typing words to each other and seeing animated cartoons. There is no physical interaction. Therefore SL prostitution is NOT prostitution.

Likewise "Killing" people is not actually killing them it's a virtual depiction.

SL Gambling IS gambling. Real money IS being wagered to win (or lose) Real money.

LL is doing what all companies must do, and that is to comply with the laws of the jurisdiction in which they are incorporated. It's the American government that his brought this legislation in order to protect US based casino operators from on-line foreign competition and hence to protect the government's income from gambling taxation.

As far as I can see it, Lucky chairs are ok...they are not a wager. anything that does incorporate a wager like 'sploders, *ingo and casino games will be actively removed from SL by LL.

Your only reason to be in SL is to play casino game? How lame is that! Get off your butt and go save the planet or something! (this comment is aimed at those parasites that infest SL under the lame pretext of winning money at gambling.)

For me that doesn't matter as I don't visit clubs myself, but i know many others do....
People like dancing in a club and if they like it there they'll come back....

But, many clubs have managers as employees and these need to get paid.
What kind of income can a club have besides sploders etc... not much i think ........

Or am i missing something?

So, it is not the question how to attract people but how to survive financially.

And, i do not run a club myself so i do not complain about my own situation lol

Another thought ..... what is exactly gambling??

Setting up a mall with L$ bought with RL-money. Then try to rent out the shops .... since there are so many malls it is not sure you will rent every shop out and start earning money.

This is a kind of gamble as well.... you might win, you might loose ...................

/me cheers for you. Your right about all of that. I have been in SL for almost 3 years and i never once sat down at a gambling table or camped for money. Did i ever leave SL? Nope. Been here the whole time. I had plenty of fun socializing, buying, selling, building, creating, gaming, RPing, mating, putting my imagination into works of art, managing a sim, scripting, texturing, dancing, partying, learning the secrets behind what makes SL tick, and forum posting. Theres a lot more to do in SL then that too, but some people just don't have a imagination.

That would suck if theres no more Slingo, Bingo, ect and Sploders, Raffles balls. There really wouldn't be really anything left but clubs, shops left

Like what bud? My imagination is vast, and I can assure you that there's almost nothing that has been able to compete with playing Texas Hold Em'.

The U.S. citizens have to start wondering why you're generalized and dis-liked by alot of the world. You're so far from freedom it's not even funny.

(P.S. I'm not your bud, it's a figure of speech pertaining to your level of ignorance and anyone who's responding like that.)