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Brenda Connolly
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03-14-2007 12:22
The thought of SL going to a Disney type Organization, is frightening, and not very far fetched.
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Annabelle Vandeverre
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03-14-2007 12:25
From: Brenda Connolly
The thought of SL going to a Disney type Organization, is frightening, and not very far fetched.


"It's a small world after all..."

Ugh, that gives me visions of Disney characters in compromising positions in the "Mature" areas.

What I never understood - why is everything sex-related termed "Adult" and "Mature", when many of the behaviors and discussions associated with sex are rather juvenile in nature?
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03-14-2007 12:27
From: Annabelle Vandeverre
Ugh, that gives me visions of Disney characters in compromising positions in the "Mature" areas.

That's called 'yiffing'.

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Colette Meiji
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03-14-2007 12:30
From: Broccoli Curry
That's called 'yiffing'.

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Sex on "its a small world" would be sexual ageplay

not many animal creatures on that ride.
Colette Meiji
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03-14-2007 12:32
If the group name was simply XXX - then the Original Poster has a legitamate complaint

thats hardly a "Mature" word.
Tiffany Widdershins
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originals vs alternate
03-14-2007 12:44
no.. the original name was Cumrags.... i suggessted XXXrags and an alternate. they said no.
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03-14-2007 12:48
From: Tiffany Widdershins
no.. the original name was Cumrags.... i suggessted XXXrags and an alternate. they said no.

Since when is gross synonymous with mature?
Colette Meiji
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03-14-2007 12:49
From: Tiffany Widdershins
no.. the original name was Cumrags.... i suggessted XXXrags and an alternate. they said no.



well the original name definitely wouldnt fit under the PG guidelines

they may have felt XXXrags too suggestive. XXX by itself is meant to warn somethings mature, no more.

To Be honest its not a very tactful name in the first place.

Maybe "Drop Cloths" might have a lil more finese.

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PS I understand the men that "cumrags" was intended to attract might be too slow to "get" finese. Too many of the customers of sex clubs, etc are looking for the cruder Porn website experience.

That is something much of the SL sex scene is missing, imagination. Risque beats raunchy every time in my opinion.
Robbi Rockett
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03-14-2007 12:52
How does one get to a point where they think they have a right to something just because they think they should? Some people sound as if they actually believe they have some sort of inherent right to do whatever they feel should be acceptable. As far as groups go, we don't even have the right to have a group at all much less name it whatever we want. Now if they say we can have a group and that we can name it ourselves as long as they approve the name we choose then there you go. Make a group, name it, and see if they approve of it. If they say you can only use numbers, no letters, then there you go again. We then would have the right to name our group some number. But if they don't like the number we chose then guess what. We don't get to use it. Whether we think they are right or wrong has no bearing on it. The same applies for all other aspects that people don't like about how the game is run. It's not your game. The only 'right' we have is to not log on if we don't want to. (Although as addicting as this is I'm sure a lawyer could get some activist judge somewhere to rule we don't have 'that' right. :D) You are free however to make your own game and set your own rules. But be prepared for people that think they have the right to do stuff in your game that you don't want to be done.
Annabelle Vandeverre
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03-14-2007 12:59
Oh boy. You had to go and say the original group name. Forums are PG too. If the Lindens don't allow your group name in game, they won't allow it here either. Lucky for you, it takes forever to get a thread locked on most days, unless one invokes the power of Philip's turtlenecks. ;)

And I agree, the group name is rather gross - but there are worse out there.
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Griffin Aldwych
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03-14-2007 13:01
From: Broccoli Curry
Names of Residents, objects, places and groups are broadly viewable in Second Life directories and on the Second Life website, and must adhere to PG guidelines.
Argh. If you can't see the problem with this, I'm amazed.

Tiffany can't call her place "Cumrags", because people will complain. So she calls it "Teddy Bear Heaven" - and the only difference is that people complain when they GET there, only to find it's not full of furry little critters and the "Teddy Bears Picnic" playing in continual loop.

So, you can't advertise mature content at all, because the only way the TOS allows it is to have a misleading non-mature name. ALL mature content in SL is present to make money. If you can't advertise to encourage customers, you can't make money. This wording of the TOS is a ban-by-stealth of all money making mature enterprise in SL.

These rules are BROKEN. There is a REASON that there is a check box to remove mature content from searches. Start looking after yourself instead of expecting everyone else to do it for you.

It should go like this;

Concerned Citizen : I'd like to file an AR because I can see all these dirty words in my searches.

Linden Employee : Can you see the little tick box on the search that says "Hide mature content"?

Concerned Citizen : Yes

Linden Employee : Click that, and then search again.

Concerned Citizen : Wow. All those dirty words are gone. Thank you.

Linden Employee : You're welcome.

*sigh*
Colette Meiji
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03-14-2007 13:02
From: Griffin Aldwych
Argh. If you can't see the problem with this, I'm amazed.

Tiffany can't call her place "Cumrags", because people will complain. So she calls it "Teddy Bear Heaven" - and the only difference is that people complain when they GET there, only to find it's not full of furry little critters and the "Teddy Bears Picnic" playing in continual loop.

So, you can't advertise mature content at all, because the only way the TOS allows it is to have a misleading non-mature name. ALL mature content in SL is present to make money. If you can't advertise to encourage customers, you can't make money. This wording of the TOS is a ban-by-stealth of all money making mature enterprise in SL.

These rules are BROKEN. There is a REASON that there is a check box to remove mature content from searches. Start looking after yourself instead of expecting everyone else to do it for you.

It should go like this;

Concerned Citizen : I'd like to file an AR because I can see all these dirty words in my searches.

Linden Employee : Can you see the little tick box on the search that says "Hide mature content"?

Concerned Citizen : Yes

Linden Employee : Click that, and then search again.

Concerned Citizen : Wow. All those dirty words are gone. Thank you.

Linden Employee : You're welcome.

*sigh*



she said she cant name her group cumrags

not she couldnt name her place cumrags
Griffin Aldwych
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03-14-2007 13:06
From: Robbi Rockett
How does one get to a point where they think they have a right to something just because they think they should? Some people sound as if they actually believe they have some sort of inherent right to do whatever they feel should be acceptable. As far as groups go, we don't even have the right to have a group at all much less name it whatever we want. Now if they say we can have a group and that we can name it ourselves as long as they approve the name we choose then there you go. Make a group, name it, and see if they approve of it. If they say you can only use numbers, no letters, then there you go again. We then would have the right to name our group some number. But if they don't like the number we chose then guess what. We don't get to use it. Whether we think they are right or wrong has no bearing on it. The same applies for all other aspects that people don't like about how the game is run. It's not your game. The only 'right' we have is to not log on if we don't want to. (Although as addicting as this is I'm sure a lawyer could get some activist judge somewhere to rule we don't have 'that' right. :D) You are free however to make your own game and set your own rules. But be prepared for people that think they have the right to do stuff in your game that you don't want to be done.
If I WANTED to sue Linden Labs (which I don't), you can forget all the freedom of speech stuff...I'd go for plain old reliable Trades Descriptions Act.

"Your World - Your Imagination"

That's what they SELL - or at least what they started out as selling. It's increasingly becoming THEIR world, THEIR rules, and they'll tolerate our presence as long as we conform.
Gaybot Foxley
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03-14-2007 13:08
How about .... *LuvRags* ? lol
Griffin Aldwych
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03-14-2007 13:08
From: Colette Meiji
she said she cant name her group cumrags

not she couldnt name her place cumrags
Oh Colette, I thought better of you. Do the technicalities of the argument REALLY matter that much? Most of the time I respect your opinion...I'd really like to hear it on the the spirit of the post, rather than on one tiny typo.
Tiffany Widdershins
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new name
03-14-2007 13:09
Look... I named it as I did because there is a market for it. People are actually paying money for that title along with the coinciding tattoo...Risque beats raunchy in YOUR opinion... but that doesnt mean there is no market for raunchy. they made SL as a capitalist system....otherwise lindens would not equate to real dollars. they gave intellectual property rights... but apparently have decided to revoke that in some cases. Mind you... I dont see the Xcite store or Play Sexy, or Dark Delights closing anytime soon despite thier product lines. I have renamed my group "total rags" because they won't let me name my group XXX rags. HOWEVER... I am still spending the expense and time of renaming all of my signs and tattoos etc.... XXXrags... because the day XXX is not PG is the day someone forgot the history of the term XXX. This forum post powuld not have been created if they's let me have XXX Rags as my group name... I am a reasonable person.
Har Fairweather
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03-14-2007 13:11
I think Griffin has the right answer: extend PG vs. "Mature" filters to group names AND profiles, while we are at it. Sounds like a simple solution that will solve a lot of problems and get a lot of arguments like these out of LL's hair.

I mean, if you want a "Mature" group name or profile, do you even want the PG crowd coming around and bothering you?
Colette Meiji
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03-14-2007 13:13
From: Griffin Aldwych
Oh Colette, I thought better of you. Do the technicalities of the argument REALLY matter that much? Most of the time I respect your opinion...I'd really like to hear it on the the spirit of the post, rather than on one tiny typo.



well you said "when they get there"

Your post reads like shes being told she cant name her business cumrags.

No one arrives at a group and looks around.

The fact that your concerned the Lindens are gonna stomp down on Business names is understandable. I personally prefer more clever names - but people should be able to call their business what they want.

Im not sure you made a typo by the context of your post? IF you did you confused yourself by it?

PS Gaybot - Luvrags is a much better name than cumrags
Colette Meiji
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03-14-2007 13:16
From: Har Fairweather
I think Griffin has the right answer: extend PG vs. "Mature" filters to group names AND profiles, while we are at it. Sounds like a simple solution that will solve a lot of problems and get a lot of arguments like these out of LL's hair.

I mean, if you want a "Mature" group name or profile, do you even want the PG crowd coming around and bothering you?


sure thats not a bad idea at all.

is a lot of nudity in peoples profiles too. Ive heard of people who were suspended.

letting people mark themselves or their groups as "mature" or adult or w/e would be a good solution.

I also dont have a problem with having 3 catagories such as - PG / Mature / Adult land ..

But all currently Mature land would have to be the most permissive xxx/adult catagory. Youd only be able to have new land in a middle catagory.
Griffin Aldwych
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03-14-2007 13:18
From: Colette Meiji
IF you did you confused yourself by it?
Yes. I am a bear of very little brain and long words bother me. I got "place" into my head instead of "group" at an early stage in the post and it threw me off track. But the meaning of the post remains the same...people could join a group called said "Teddy Bear Heaven" and then be offended that people were talking about things OTHER than bears (if I was to be crude, I might mention beavers instead...).

The point remains. Call things what they ARE so that people can avoid what it describes if they choose.
Robbi Rockett
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03-14-2007 13:18
From: Griffin Aldwych
It's increasingly becoming THEIR world, THEIR rules, and they'll tolerate our presence as long as we conform.

That's all I'm saying. ;)
Cute marketing slogan aside, it is and has always been their world. Of course it's their world. Of course it's their rules. And of course we can stay if we 'conform'. But I would add here IF if they let us. That is how life works.
Griffin Aldwych
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03-14-2007 13:21
By the way...would this be a good time to bring up the start of the slippery slope...? those who have seen me post elsewhere will know what I mean.

Given all the acronyms that appear in forum posts, I'm surprised "ITYS" doesn't appear more often.

(I Told You So)
Gaybot Foxley
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03-14-2007 13:21
From: Griffin Aldwych
If I WANTED to sue Linden Labs (which I don't), you can forget all the freedom of speech stuff...I'd go for plain old reliable Trades Descriptions Act.

"Your World - Your Imagination"

That's what they SELL - or at least what they started out as selling. It's increasingly becoming THEIR world, THEIR rules, and they'll tolerate our presence as long as we conform.


You would not be able to sue Linden Labs for that reason because of various statements in the Terms Of Service (the virtual contract you agreed to before ever entering) which will be binding in court. Basically, the TOS says that you are not entitled to anything, you will not be compensated for downtime, and your assets can be seized and deleted at any time for no reason.

The slogan "Your World, Your Imagination" can be interpreted in numerous ways.
Tiffany Widdershins
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luvrags????
03-14-2007 13:23
Ok.. I have to grant you that "luvrags" is cutesy wootsey and all.... but um.. my girls arent cutesty wootsy.. they arent even normal escorts. they are complete and total skanks. I say so right from the outset before they pay me money to be part of the organization. Luvrags is cute... but not even close to the right name for my rock and roll raunch crowd.
Colette Meiji
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03-14-2007 13:25
From: Gaybot Foxley



The slogan "Your World, Your Imagination" can be interpreted in numerous ways.


lol "Its your world only in your imagination?"
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