Leaving SL?

Oh I understand where he's coming from, and although SL runs much better for me than it appears to for the OP, I share his frustrations up to a point. What annoys me about these kind of posts is the gross exaggeration:




The OP is saying he can NEVER rez an object and not lose it, can NEVER TP properly, half the time he stealth crashes IMMEDIATELY he logs in. I simply don't believe him. If he really is having problems as bad as this - remember he is saying that 100% of TPs fail in some way- then I don't blame him for leaving, but very few others seem to have such severe problems. My TP failure rate on a fairly ordinary pc with nothing special in the way of internet connection and from the UK, is less than 10% most of the time. I can only assume that if he has problems that bad it is not LL, but his pc or ISP that is the problem. And frankly I suspect he is wildly exaggerating the extent of his problems.





Your "membership" is free, but you apparently choose to spend money in SL. Don't blame you, I spend a lot more than $16 a month here, but since you can't own mainland, you can't be paying tier to LL, so what money are you paying to them? And if you're not paying money to LL, why on earth should they give you support?

.. and they're all left ones .... cos ...



women *never* have the right ones! boom boom!!!

I thankyou .. I thankyou!

/me slinks back into his corner .. and eats pie

Sorry to break this out of your larger point, but I have to say, I find this particular argument kind of amusing. If LL were not using a third party, and were trying to do the verification itself (something they are in no way equipped to do), the same people would be up in arms about LL itself needing the info. "I'm not going to trust Linden Lab with that information."

And if they dropped the whole thing they might satisfy this group of critics, but then they'd have a different group complaining about too many obviously underaged people in very adult areas.

Talk about a no-win situation.

Well actually ... it may well be the DSL.

DSL tops out at less than 1MB/sec. I know the SL minimum requirements say DSL is ok, but really, I have to think it's only minimally ok. In addition, DSL performance varies widely from one user to another. And some (not all) of the problems you describe could be related to a slower or unreliable connection, especially the stealth crash and teleport problems.

I realize upgrading to a cable connection just to test it out is probably not an option, but I think some of your issues would go away if you did. Others, including sims going down and such, are SL-side problems. But they are nothing we don't all have to deal with.

People with payment info on file should be verified. LL can do that right now.

Those who are underage will get around this system in similar fashion they currently do so I don't see why they keep banging on about credit cards not being sufficient for this process.

People are claiming they have been verified without providing all the information required. Others have claimed they have been able to verify with false information. I'm not going to trust someone one iota because they're verified because the verification system itself is hopelessly flawed.

Perhaps - I do not know, some probably wouldnt be willing to give LL their last four digits of SS#. But some would. They gave LL their CC number.


The rest of your statement makes sense.



One aspect of this that people seem to have missed as far as people leaving SL over verification -


Forums goers are the Payment info on file. Even non forums goers, the ones I discussed Verifcation with were payment info on file.

Seems to me that people who are payment info on file are MORE LIKELY to be willing to verify.

Non-Payment info on file people didnt even give their payment details. I would think they are the ones who are less likely to verify under the new system And also more apt to leave when they cant do the things they wanted to. Both since they dont give out their information, and they probably have less vested in SL.

Not true. I have DSL that can do up to 1.6 MB (right now at about 1.57), and cable just doesn't exist where I live. And apart from last week, where my DSL kept dying on me and no one (especially not the ISP OR the German Telekom) knew why, it has run fine for years. I'd just not recommend the slowest DSL.


Oh, and when do people finally understand there ARE credit cards that are available to under 18s???? I know you couldn't get them here in Germany, but they DO exist...

Do you mean 1.6Mbps? 1.6 MB is 13Mbps. ADSL isn't capable of that.

DSL is a family of technologies, ADSL being the most common type used over local telephone lines.

ADSL does top out at 1MBps, but that is 8Mbps; most commonly marketed as ADSLMax. That's about eight times more than enough for SL so I'm not sure whether Mickey meant to say 1Mbps. Uppercase & lowercase letters make a massive difference when talking bits and bytes.

A 1Mbps line is pretty old fashioned by today's standards.
Most people went to 2Mbps ADSL years ago.
Many are on 8Mbps today.
I'm on a 24Mbps line, that's delivered via ADSL2+ though, which is attracting lots of urban customers in the UK right now. (You have to live close to the exchange so it's most cost effective for ISPs to provide in cities.)

It all depends which multitude of sins needs covering up most today!

Ah that's good to know. My telephone company keeps trying to get me to switch to their "high speed Internet" DSL that gets 768 kbps.

Not knowing what the OP's speed is, though, I still maintain that's a possible cause of silent disconnects and some other issues. Wireless connections that sometimes drop out can also cause them. (I run a cable modem via wireless and I just accept that the occasional ghost-disconnect and need to relog is the price I pay for the convenience.)

No wonder he's not happy. He's never sat on the nice danceballs where you can feel girls up. And he's not been to a nice singalong-a-voice-a-around-da-campfire!!

Oi, clear you mailbox, I can't im you on the forums because you're full up!

SHE IS RIGHT ...

And yes, shouting makes it more true, so long as it is me ...

To a degree. The national lottery website won't accept certain types of debit cards but can any credit cards be obtained by people under 18? I thought an adult had to authorise them.

We have to ask for ID here at the pit of despair as it's possible for them to get debit cards, authorised by over 18s or not ...

Anyway I am not talking to you Ciaran ... you missed my event!

Well I can't talk to you when your PM mailbox is full here

My car broke down, I was awaiting the RAC man when you opened and then when I finally got home I went to the pub!

well i didnt read it as literal i suppose. to me the op suggests these problems occur regularly and often, not literally EVERY time. but frequently enough it seems to happen every time. kind of like 'im so hungry i could eat a horse'.

In some countries, under-18s can get credit cards, yes. Underwritten by VISA and Mastercard too. Not sure what you mean by that last sentence, but provided an adult co-signs the application, an under-18 can get a credit card in the US too. The card would have the under-18 year old's name on it. It would be *their* card. In *their* wallet. If they default on the monthly payments though, the co-signing adult would be pursued for the debt.

This is what I was getting at, can a minor get a credit card without an adult consenting to it.

Sorry, I meant ADSL2+, and I was talking about MB, not Mbit... It's a 16Mbit line.
I *was* wondering why that could ever be too slow for anything...


@Mickey: 768kbit???? HIGHSPEED???? That is the slowest DSL you could get around here, less than 1Mbps...what kind of DSL do you have right now? there's one SLOWER than 768? *puzzled*

And yes, don't confuse 768kbps with, e.g. my current...wait...1.76MBps-that would be, er...14,437 Mbps...

But under control of a parent.........Credit companies don`t issues Credit card to under 18 alone.
Hence there is a next to the information about that account that indeed is a minor using this credit card. Just because a minor has one dont mean they can get excess thinking they can fool the company thinking they are over 18.....Its flagged as a minor issues Credit card belonging to a adult ( parent ).

A lot of people leave and plenty stay, i think what we miss is that SL for some people who stay is some different thing

I play SL "because"
if you play "because" of some reason, you will stay unless something gets in the way of that
some people played "because" they could gamble and when gambling went away they did too

I play "because" i like to build, if i could not build anything i would not stay, but when you come here, there isnt squat for you to do but buy stuff, but for some people, buying stuff is why they come here.

Everybody gets to figure out what they would do in a vacum here and if this guy wants to leave its ok, when i couldint build anything or ugly ad-farms popped up next to my land i wanted to leave too, and if i did i might think that had a part in it- the lag and the adfarms that make it impossible to sell your land and yeah i think private island people are doing some of it since a square in my most loved sim is $9999999 advertising private island spots

but as long as sl is here, and i can make a prim and mess with it, ill probably be here because the lag gets better and absolutely nothing beats a world that we get to build, I am sad to see anybody leave because of grid issues but the longer sl is around they will get better hopefully,

No other platform is even talking about giving us the freedom we have here- this is our ship and if it sinks we sink with it, mainland, estates.. the whole thing. Everybody has an intrest in making this place fun while it lasts

no matter how laggy it gets, no matter how naked the griefers get watching tv is kinda like pulling teeth. why dont we have a no bling day- or no attachment day to see if the grid acts different i dunno

I am on cable Internet. The phone company hopes, foolishly, to entice me to give up my 4 MBps for their 768 kbps. Why they believe it is possible for them to persuade me of this, I don't know.

NOW I got it....

What a load of BS....maybe if they promised free internet? Nah....I don't think so!
I have yet to find a phone company that doesn't suck hollow eggs....

In some countries - yes. In Australia for example, an under-18 can get a credit card by providing a security deposit. If they default on the debt, they lose the deposit. The alternative over there is to get an adult cosigner.

Edit: found a link about this, http://members.ozemail.com.au/~credit_info/21.htm