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Sage Barnside
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05-24-2009 16:19
Hello everyone... this one I simply can NOT let die

I own a no covenant non estate mature parcel of Land

last night I displayed a large American flag to commerate and support our troups, veterans
and celebration of Memorial Day...

this flag was on My Land on my deck and a authentic red white and blue USA flag and certainly not infringing in any way on adjacent Land parcels

today I received the flag returned to my INV and a TOS warning stating the flag was used
to intimidate and HARASS other Second Life patrons and against Linden Labs Community Standards... and that any further use will result in suspension or ban or both...

I would appreciate any comment from the Community as to how flying the flag on Memorial Day is in any possible way a form of harassment or intimidation?

secondly should I let this die or inform management and execs at Linden Labs that those we should be thanking every day for our rights and freedoms in this country are being chastised scolded and threatened for displaying the flag on Memorial Day

I think it's shameful...
Brenda Connolly
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05-24-2009 16:21
Wtf???????
I've flown The Flag before, and I see flags all over the mainland. Did a neighbore file an AR against you, maybe?
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05-24-2009 16:26
Oh boy, here we go again...just like in RL where you can't display Nativity scenes and so forth, one of your neighbors probably complained that they shouldn't have to be exposed to a US flag, if they themselves are not americans or some such nonsense :(
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05-24-2009 16:29
From: Sage Barnside

today I received the flag returned to my INV and a TOS warning stating the flag was used
to intimidate and HARASS other Second Life patrons and against Linden Labs Community Standards... and that any further use will result in suspension or ban or both...


Who returned it to you? LL or your Estate Owner/Manager.. if its the first put a ticket in and demand a formal explanation of the reason. I would love to see LL explain publicly why they think the American flag is intimidating.

If it is your Estate Owner/Manager.. pick up and move to a different place.

.d
Sage Barnside
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05-24-2009 16:31
From: Brenda Connolly
Wtf???????
I've flown The Flag before, and I see flags all over the mainland. Did a neighbore file an AR against you, maybe?


hi Brenda I have no clue... can flying a flag be considered harassment?
I have had no contact with any of my neighbors...
Claire Silverspar
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05-24-2009 16:32
its getting ridiculous. I would definitely demand an explanation.
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05-24-2009 16:33
If this is a case of someone not liking to see a national flag, ANY national flag on someone else's land and LL caved, then that really says a lot..and none of it good. I would definitely demand an explanation.
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Brenda Connolly
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05-24-2009 16:35
From: Sage Barnside
hi Brenda I have no clue... can flying a flag be considered harassment?
I have had no contact with any of my neighbors...


Well if so, I've just started harrasing my neighbors.....waves to Claire. :p
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Sage Barnside
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05-24-2009 16:35
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Oh boy, here we go again...just like in RL where you can't display Nativity scenes and so forth, one of your neighbors probably complained that they shouldn't have to be exposed to a US flag, if they themselves are not americans or some such nonsense :(


hi Ashe1: the Land adjacent is vacant FOR SALE Estate Parcels 4056m
I do not know or have ever spoken to the Land Baron whois selling them
Isabeau Imako
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05-24-2009 16:35
I've never heard of national flag being against 'Linden Labs Community Standards".

Are we really getting the whole story?
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05-24-2009 16:37
Don't know about getting the whole story or not, it's just IMHO, everywhere and everything is becoming so PC anymore that it wouldn't surprise me to hear such a thing; it's shameful if it turns out to be the situation here.
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05-24-2009 16:39
Sage, keep us posted if you find out anything more, I would be interested as to the outcome and the why of this :)

You have never had a dispute with any of your neighbors? Who returned the flag?
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Brenda Connolly
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05-24-2009 16:39
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Don't know about getting the whole story or not, it's just IMHO, everywhere and everything is becoming so PC anymore that it wouldn't surprise me to hear such a thing; it's shameful if it turns out to be the situation here.

LL is become so spinelessly vanilla, it wouldn't surprise me either. Maybe they will create a Patriotic Continent.
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Sage Barnside
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05-24-2009 16:39
From: Derbor Torok
Who returned it to you? LL or your Estate Owner/Manager.. if its the first put a ticket in and demand a formal explanation of the reason. I would love to see LL explain publicly why they think the American flag is intimidating.

If it is your Estate Owner/Manager.. pick up and move to a different place.

.d


hi Derbor: Linden Labs returned the flag and issued a warning that if used in future I could be suspended or banned or both

I think I will submit a ticket but in truth am affraid I then will get banned, I dont want any trouble but I feel this is a huge slap in the face of all the service men and women and veterans
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05-24-2009 16:41
From: Brenda Connolly
LL is become so spinelessly vanilla, it wouldn't surprise me either. Maybe they will create a Patriotic Continent.


ROFL
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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05-24-2009 16:43
From: Sage Barnside
Hello everyone... this one I simply can NOT let die

I own a no covenant non estate mature parcel of Land

last night I displayed a large American flag to commerate and support our troups, veterans
and celebration of Memorial Day...

this flag was on My Land on my deck and a authentic red white and blue USA flag and certainly not infringing in any way on adjacent Land parcels

today I received the flag returned to my INV and a TOS warning stating the flag was used
to intimidate and HARASS other Second Life patrons and against Linden Labs Community Standards... and that any further use will result in suspension or ban or both...

I would appreciate any comment from the Community as to how flying the flag on Memorial Day is in any possible way a form of harassment or intimidation?

secondly should I let this die or inform management and execs at Linden Labs that those we should be thanking every day for our rights and freedoms in this country are being chastised scolded and threatened for displaying the flag on Memorial Day

I think it's shameful...
Unless part of it was inadvertently waving through someone's wall I can't imagine. I hope you'll find out from LL and let us know what the problem was.
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05-24-2009 16:43
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I've been wandering naked in many bad, dark places in SL recently. Naked, I repeat. Trouble seems to be . . . missing, on vacation perhaps.
Maybe trouble is like policemen. You can never find them when you want them.
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05-24-2009 16:45
From: Isabeau Imako
I've never heard of national flag being against 'Linden Labs Community Standards".

Are we really getting the whole story?
I don't think I've ever heard about anyone having problems because of political or religious displays on their own property in real life.
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i think people are afraid of me or something.
Brenda Connolly
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05-24-2009 16:45
From: Sage Barnside
hi Derbor: Linden Labs returned the flag and issued a warning that if used in future I could be suspended or banned or both

I think I will submit a ticket but in truth am affraid I then will get banned, I dont want any trouble but I feel this is a huge slap in the face of all the service men and women and veterans


I would call them, besides a ticket.And as far as a suspension goes, if they said that just displaying your flag was an offense, then personally, I would be telling them what to do with their account anyway.
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05-24-2009 16:47
From: Kaimi Kyomoon
I don't think I've ever heard about anyone having problems because of political or religious displays on their own property in real life.

Soetimes people who live is "Planned communities" or condominium developoments get flack because they want a uniform look, and that is usually defined in the homeowners agreement.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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05-24-2009 16:47
From: Brenda Connolly
I would call them, besides a ticket.And as far as a suspension goes, if they said that just displaying your flag was an offense, then personall, I would be telling them what to do with their account anyway.
I can hardly believe that this is the case but if it turns out SL is not "our world our way" we might as well all quit.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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05-24-2009 16:48
From: Brenda Connolly
Soetimes people who live is "Planned communities" or condominium developoments get flack because they want a uniform look, and that is usually defined in the homeowners agreement.
Right right. But they know going in what the deal is presumably.
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05-24-2009 16:53
From: Kaimi Kyomoon
Maybe trouble is like policemen. You can never find them when you want them.

Oh, I didn't want trouble. heh. I just knew I was inviting it by being naked and being in those areas.

As 3Ring might or might not be able to note, when she started trotting towards people, I didn't follow. And I noted that I tended to stay away from people.

Derbor Torok
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05-24-2009 16:53
From: Sage Barnside
hi Derbor: Linden Labs returned the flag and issued a warning that if used in future I could be suspended or banned or both

I think I will submit a ticket but in truth am affraid I then will get banned, I dont want any trouble but I feel this is a huge slap in the face of all the service men and women and veterans


What part of the TOS does the flag violate. This sounds a weird.. I have a hard time thinking the lindens would be this clueless. Maybe your estate manager can help you get some answers via his concierge support.

.d

I would love to see the message..
Sage Barnside
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05-24-2009 16:57
From: Brenda Connolly
Soetimes people who live is "Planned communities" or condominium developoments get flack because they want a uniform look, and that is usually defined in the homeowners agreement.


hi again Brenda: perhaps I should clarify

"I own a no covenant non estate mature parcel of Land"

meaning that I own the parcel with "No Covenant"

I am not purchasing/leasing/renting the Land from any Estate Management or Land Baron
entity... I pay tier to Linden Labs not a Estate Management Company

my point was to show that I am not under any Estate guidelines or covenants for use,
design etc...