Landbots 101

And where did I say that bots don't create an unfair market for the barons? I didn't, you should really read what I'm writing.

I said that LL have an easy way to stop bots that are causing undue stress on the servers (for example, search).

Marcus

I agree.

My point in these responses, are that a number of people in this thread, have stated this is purely cooked up by land barons, for no good reason.

I quoted Robin, because she said it. I am simply following up on the expectation of what is to come next, as a result of her comments. Also, to inform others as to their right to know and what they can do in the meanwhile.

Although I have a vested interest in the issue, does not mean LL hasn't taken this position.

Do you find it rather odd, that people not involved in the land business have spoken here, yet some dismiss land barons right to speak on issues which seriously affects them?

What is cooked up? The lies about the stress or the fact that it makes it hard for the barons to compete with the bots?



And what Robin said has nothing to do with what I was talking about. She was talking about bots making the market unfair, I was talking about when people claim that the bots create undue stress for the servers (search included) which is rubbish.



If I understood what you were talking about I might be in a position to answer. If you are referring to me not allowing the barons a voice, thats rubbish to. Since I was making a point that the barons are trying to convince people that the bots are bad for everyone, when the truth is, it's only bad for them.

They can voice their opinion all they want, I can't stop them since I don't own the forums. All I'm saying is they need to stop spreading FUD and pretending they are altruistic when they only want the bots stopped for their own benefit.

marcus

You have no proof whatsoever that bots do not cause undue stress on the server. Unless of course you have inside information, which I highly doubt.

Again, your use of half-truths and outright lies, demonstrates your hypocricy.

Who's gonna be the bigger person and stop this back and forth?

If i remember some past threads you aren't half bad yourself on these matters.

Strife?

Judging by your threads, trolling seems your specialty.

*thumbs nose*

These bot threads are like train wrecks . . .

I try SO hard to look away but . . .

Well this is all interesting stuff. I like doing a little land trading in SL, its quite fascinating and I've found quite a few good deals recently despite the land bots. This is because I don't buy the cheapest land, I look for underpriced quality land. My view of people using land bots to auto buy land is that they're producing cash for themselves without producing value for everyone else. With the possible exception that they might make it a little easier for someone who has to to sell quickly. I'm doing the same thing buying cheap and selling at a mark up. For me its for fun though - but basically the money I and the bot managers make is taken from the community as a whole. In my case its not very much. In theirs its a lot. Any community will eventually act to stop such antisocial behaviour and I believe LL will eventually stop this going on.

I know all about the technology they're using though because I have built a site which is a web-based land search engine (its at http://www.sllandlist.com but be aware its a prototype as yet, soon to launch). It uses libsecondlife code to scan the search lists in the same way as the botters do. However it will bring benefits to SL residents because it will allow more detailed land searching than the current very basic inworld system allows. If it gets widely used it will actually reduce search server load. Plus it will host land auctions at some point.

LL putting the land search block is a classic case of bad security. All it has done is produced a slight annoyance for all users and the people who want to get around it just use multiple alts running simultaneously.

Here are 2 ways to block bots that would actually work:

1) Land sales become a two stage process - buyer submits an offer, vendor approves it.

2) Remove land buying from script functions, and on the land buying screen have the user enter an alphanumeric code displayed as a small graphic file as happens on many websites to stop automated access.

There is no such thing anymore. Anything quality and underpriced is eaten by land bots and barons before any real people get to see it

Oh look, there's HolyHell, flown in from her island to troll all her former friends again now that she's no longer a land dealer. How ya doing?

Well if you can tell me how a landbot can tell where coastline is I'd like to know (proximity to water being the thing that defines 'quality land' more than any other factor as far as I've observed). I'd really like to know because I'd put it on my site. The best I can think of is some hideous thing involving manually converting the coastline into a series of coordinates and doing some geometry to see how close a parcel is to it.

But I own up to being a land baron myself albeit a very mini one.

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