Landbots 101

LOL ty for proving my point.

-Crystal (waiting to see your "gotta have the last word" response to this one)

But but i just gotta. Don't quote me if you don't want a response.

Odd. No effect whatsoever? Both my SL partner and I have been able to buy parcels because your bot tp'ed into that sim over one of our parcels running the scripts and was tp'ed home before it could steal the land. As more people run the scripts, that will happen more often. It's the shotgun effect.



This is odd too. I get records of everyone who takes copies of the script and your name has never been on them. So how would you know whether they're effective or not? Unless of course you grabbed a copy of them or have encountered them under your real identity. That would explain a lot. He "doth protest too much, methinks."

Up till this point I really didn't realize how misinformed you truely are on the actual capabilities of landbots. It really isn't worth continuing until you educate yourself a bit more on how they work. TTFN

I am good friends with a bot operator so I do know how they function. I ask him tons of questions about it so that is how I know.

You have no right to tell me what and what not to do on these forums.

Reporting bad post.

I figured you were a shill. So much for your "I'm just a concerned end user blah blah blah" statements ...

He's just trolling to get the thread locked.

BTW Rev, the updated version will be posted on SLEX shortly.

I'm not a bot operator nor would I haave the knowledge to program one even though one was offered. I'm not even in the land business. I'm just rational about it, but think what you want I guess. I'm really tired and need to sleep.

Good, now this thread can get back on track.

1- No
2- No, they made it clear that unauthorized copying is against the TOS
3- llTeleportAgentHome()
4- llDetectedKey() or llOverMyLand()
5- libsl viewer

I'd like to add a #6 to the list....

6) Why doesn't someone release the darn thing to the general public and let people play them (the landbot dealers) at their own game and then see what kind of an impact it has on:

1. Server Resources
   
2. Land Prices
   
3. Landbot Drama
   
4. LL Polices
   

Hmmmmmmmm?



Maybe then, on a mass scale something will be done about it. I'm personally neutral on the situation as I like to sit back and watch things like this unfold. What could the benefits or reprecussions be from it being released to the general public. *puts on mad scientist hat*

Just as an addendum to Question 2.....

Robin stated, "The landbots are creating an unfair market, and we have some ideas how to deal with them. Banning them is only a short-term fix, and not terribly likely to succeed, so we're working on a solution we hope will make them a poor business choice."

Whatever that means.

Well Rhyph, this is the way I see...albeit my opinion.

Aside from the fact that bots are elitist and monopolistic, the use of bots are "disproportionate" in their usage of SL database resources, which clearly violates the TOS.

Ack! I was thinking of buying land but now i'm afraid some robot is going to come steal it from me. I will have to rent now because this scares me alot. Thanks for all the warnings Weedy, your selfless post should be rewarded.

Oh I agree. Could you also imagine the $$ someone would make in the near-term also if they took such to market? As I think about it I find myself a little surprised that someone has not (remember the whole concepts of greed, make a quick buck).

What I would hope such a thing would do, is infact maybe give LL the push in the direction they need to give this issue a much more serious look than I suspect it's being given as of current.

I applaud you in your effort to heighten public awareness about this issue.

Don't be afraid to buy land Arden. I greatly encourage you do.

Nobody can take your land from you, unless you make a mistake reselling it.

Right. If you DO decide to sell your land, take a look at the land listings to see what similar land is selling for to make sure you don't underprice it, and then check, recheck, and check again to make sure you're putting in the correct price on the sell land screen. Also take a look at the L$/m2 figure it computes for you and make sure that's what you wanted it to be.

Also, don't ever set land to sell to "anyone" if you're just trying to transfer land to a friend of sell it to someone specific. A bot can tp in and grab the land faster than someone already standing on the parcel itself can click through the buy process. Always be sure to select "specific user" in the drop down menu and enter the name of the person you wish to sell to.

I don't think you're being serious here, but one reason (as I understand it from previous posts) is that no-one could play with it without also installing the libsl viewer.

Absolutely I was.

Not getting into technical debates, but yes, it could be made to work. There is nothing to "play" as it's non-graphical. Proper "packaging" and documentation, I'm sure it could work.

Iv thought about letting my bot go open source several times.

But then, this situation would be several hundred times worse.
All the landbarons that dont have any sort of honesty or care would grab up a bot and go at it.

Anyway - It only took my 2 hours to get a landbot running in a programming lanague I didnt know. If i can do it Im sure anyone that can write any code can.

libsl has horrible documentation, but its so simple its not even necessarily.

And as for Bots going around rules, thay are not. To a degree thay are working around.

Example These scripts you are releaseing.
How do thay send bots home that dont teleport on to the parcel.
-Thay cant, you cant remove people from land thats not yours.

Why do thay still fail most of the time when bots teleport on to the parcel?
-Because LSL is slow, the bots have allready bought the land before the send home begins to take effect. Bots can also buy the land as the send home is starting. Send the bot home - and the bot still gets the land.


How is the send home script harrassment:
1. It is targeting people with no warning.
2. It gose above 200 meters with no warning. The 'ban lines' only go to this point to allow fly overs. Not allowing land crossing is greifing.
3. It has been known to spam/crash browsers.

This isnt greifing now? It was yesterday.

Regardless of Linden approved, you can disregard that, unless the linden in question was philip linden. The newer lindens receive little training I hear, and you may know more of the TOS then they do. Thay do make mistakes and often disagree, or more of never agree in the first place, you as 5 lindens the same question you will get 6 different responses back.

While there isnt anything in the TOS against the existence of such a script, the use of such a script for greifing against users is against the TOS.

Griefing is normally considered targeted harassment.
You can not tell me that I am not being targeted, and I am not being harassed.

Do you really think that greifing is the way to stop this?
Personally I dont think so, but if you like to be a griefing, then I cant stop you.
But be warned, I may return the favor, however MINE will comply to the TOS.

I have given you plenty of opportunity to present the FACTS and PROOF for the claims you make Weedy. Yet you have not given them. You continue ranting and ill informing the community with half truths and out right uninformed information to push your very own thinly vailed agenda which is both reckless and damaging. I now have no choice but to report any further posts by you that are not represented or backed up by the facts as harrassment. Enjoy.

Well, if they aren't premium, they won't be buying land anyway. (Sorry if someone has already pointed this out.) If they buy land - cheap or otherwise - they automatically have to go to premium first.

coco

I'm about ready to pull the damn plug on a system where everyone is using the "official" viewer, and a bunch of people are getting advantages never intended by the system by using their "own, specially made" viewer.

Sucks, and that's all there is to it.

coco