Landbots 101

Haha.. Okay. Hardly the same thing though.

only by a matter of degree.

If you spend 1$L more for your land then you would have with no bot. Then the bot just stole 1$L/meter. After all.

If you spend 1$L more for your land then you would have with no land flipper. Then the land flipper just stole 1$L/meter. After all.


I just cannot have sympathy for land dealers without the automation tool.

It's a GAME folks. Sure it's better if you're creative, and there are ways to make money through creativity.

But you know what? If you use your "skills" to create an unfair advantage and turn the land market into something that only the skilled players can compete in, the market is going to go away.

Most of the new users we have are here because they think SL is a way to make easy money. As soon as they decide they can't they'll leave. When LL loses enough users and land stops moving because people feel it's a game they can't play, then LL WILL step in to eliminate bots, or otherwise close the exploits and that will be the end of your advantage. But of course, you'll just move on to the next cheat.

Yes, there are plenty of flaws in SL, but this is one YOU BOT USERS have created.

And this is a bad thing? I wouldn't shed a tear if all the "easy money" people left because they couldn't milk the game for every cent. The bots are a tool. The tool is not a secret. The tool is used with the blessing of LL proven by their lack of action to eliminate the tool.

Although they have not taken a position on the issue. They clearly indicated "The landbots have created an unfair land market"

There is no blessing.

By that logic, if the bots left SL, you'd not shed a tear. So why defend bots who seek the easy money with exclusivity?

People bad, bot good, right?

I still have yet to hear one benefit bots do for SL.

The bots are an automation tool used by land dealers (which are people). The only others really hurt on any noticeable scale are other land dealers without the tool. The average user always had a slim chance of getting below market land before the automation tool existed so their SL experience really is not disrupted by the use of the tool. So there are less land dealers because of the bot. The end user still pays more for land because of the middle man regardless if the automation tool was used or not. I can't say if they are good for SL or not because I simply see them as a tool used by land dealers.

Now do they cause land to become more expensive for the end user because there are less middle men in the equation? I really don't know until someone produces some historical data to back that up.

Once you've burned enough of them to chase them away, who are you going to sell to?

Don't feed the troll.

Expressing my opinion like everyone else is hardly trolling just because it may be contrary to yours.

I'll defend your right to contradict yourself, any day.

Not like everyone else. Everyone else seems to know when to shut up and move on.

Where is the contradiction? A land dealer is a land dealer bot or no bot. Since I am simply an end user of land in SL I can't make the distinction between the two or really understand how the use of one or lack there of affects me, the end user, who had to pay more regardless of whether the land was originally marked up by a bot user or not.


And I will not shut up just because you say I should. Not sure if you've noticed or not, but I am not speaking to myself in this thread.

Here is an example, in your own words.






If I was to tell you to adapt to MY opinion or get out, you might take offence.

It's just a trolling tactic to close this thread, to prevent others from learning the issues.

I suggest, if you have nothing positive to contribute to this thread regardless of "sides", please don't ruin it for others.

I think landbots and copybots should be banned .... they cheat and I dunno why I have to pay premium account to linden labs if there is someone that can steal my land and copy my work

I did not tell you to adapt to my opinion. I suggested you adapt to the current situation, because I really do not see LL doing much to change it regardless of any statements they have made. I have seen them make alot of statements and then never here anything about it again.

Being an end user of land I am simply stating that no other end user is affected by the use of land bots. Only other land dealers. End users get screwed regardless. I'm sorry if you feel your thread is not open for debate and only want those that agree with you to post. Perhaps you should include that in the title of it.

Why does it seem that all of this bad/controversial technology is coming from LibSL? Copybot....land bots.... It reminds me of the people who used all kinds of exploits in Yahoo! to take over chatrooms and boot people off of Y! messenger. Maybe that will be their next project, booting people off of the SL client with bots. If these land bots are driving up the prices for land, is that why LL is reluctant to stop the bots? It makes their business/assets more valuable?

hehe that is what LibSL does they look for holes in things and come up with strange and unusual bits of stuff. I am not to sure if its for malicious purposes though as some people either outright say or imply. However they do make it easier for someone with malicious intents to do stuff because half the work is already done as with copy bot or the land bot thingy..

Don't put words in my mouth. Never once did I suggest this thread is not open to debate.

I think in general, libsl has good intentions.

You know what they say about a few bad apples.

End-users are far more valuable to LL than land dealers are in the long run. High land purchace prices turn customers off from owning land (tier accounts for 70% of LL's income apparantly) and while land dealers do pay tier, they have no interest in SL other than to squeeze it for every cent they can get.

Here is an example, in your own words.



There is no need to insult me by saying my opinion doesn't contribute anything. You have yet to show any proof how the majority of residents (non-land dealer) is adversly affected by the use of bots.

Interesting point. Somewhat misguided though. I was a land dealer. I've been an SL mentor for two years, I have contributed 10,000 sq meters to a park project for nearly three years. I've never retained a piece of land which was not sold to me intentionally. For more than a year, I actively lobbied LL to change the land tools in order to prevent "land swooping". I reply to every IM request for technical support of my products.

If this is "having no interest in SL other than to squeeze it for every cent" then maybe I should re-assess my priorities?

You know, you (and others) keep saying that as if it were some sort of gospel. But it just isn't true, no matter how often you keep saying it.

Yes, the average user did have a perfectly good chance of getting the cheaper land before superhuman bots came along to scarf it all up, discriminatingly so - i.e., consistently taking the cheapest on the market.

And doing so with a ferocious efficiency that no human being - land dealer or anyone - could possibly match.

You seem to think that before the bots, no one was buying low-priced land or even had a CHANCE of buying low-priced land except land dealers. As if everyone else were dullards.

That just isn't true. There are more people here buying land than just those relative few who specialize in the practice, and they aren't all idiots, incapable of looking for and purchasing a relative bargain.

Secondly, everyone IS hurt on a noticable scale.

Imagine a yard sale. The yard sale starts at 9:00 a.m, when the homeowner opens his garage door and starts carting out the wares. You can bet that professional yard sale goers - antique dealers, second-hand salespeople, etc. - are there right on the dot.

They're good at their job, too. But they still have to walk in, look around, pick up things, etc. Along with them are regular yard-sale goers, including plenty of savvy ones looking for bargains.

Enter the Yard Sale Bot. The minute the door opens, this bot's laser beams scan the offerings, compute their values relative to the going prices, snap them up, and complete the purchase in an instant, while the professional yard sale goers and the regular people are still walking in and possibly just laying eyes on the first interesting item.

By the time actual people have walked in, the Yard Sale Bot has already made off with all the bargains. There are no bargains left for the regular human beings, whether they are professional yard sale goers or regular people. They are all gone. All over town this happens, over and over.

Meanwhile, Yard Sale Bots not only takes all the bargains, they jack up the prices instantly and present them to the same people who were at the yard sales in the first place - in the blink of an eye.

Being human, they simply can't get to these bargains as quickly, whether they are professional yard sale goers or not. No one who ISN'T a Yard Sale Bot can any longer purchase bargains at yard sales. They have to wait until the bots jack up the prices, and purchase the items from them, at prices that are no longer yard sale prices.

Thus, we are all affected, and we all pay more - while a few bot runners rush their earnings to the bank, trying to get as rich as possible off everyone else before the Lindens pull the plug on them - and worse, telling themselves they are so much smarter than everyone else for doing so.

coco

*ignores troll*