Landbots 101

I have given you plenty of opportunity to present the FACTS and PROOF for the claims you make Weedy. Yet you have not given them. You continue ranting and ill informing the community with half truths and out right uninformed information to push your very own thinly vailed agenda which is both reckless and damaging. I now have no choice but to report any further posts by you that are not represented or backed up by the facts as harrassment. Enjoy.

I have given you plenty of opportunity to present the FACTS and PROOF for the claims you make Weedy. Yet you have not given them. You continue ranting and ill informing the community with half truths and out right uninformed information to push your very own thinly vailed agenda which is both reckless and damaging. I now have no choice but to report any further posts by you that are not represented or backed up by the facts as harrassment. Enjoy.

Iv thought about letting my bot go open source several times.

But then, this situation would be several hundred times worse.
All the landbarons that dont have any sort of honesty or care would grab up a bot and go at it.

Anyway - It only took my 2 hours to get a landbot running in a programming lanague I didnt know. If i can do it Im sure anyone that can write any code can.

libsl has horrible documentation, but its so simple its not even necessarily.

And as for Bots going around rules, thay are not. To a degree thay are working around.

Example These scripts you are releaseing.
How do thay send bots home that dont teleport on to the parcel.
-Thay cant, you cant remove people from land thats not yours.

Why do thay still fail most of the time when bots teleport on to the parcel?
-Because LSL is slow, the bots have allready bought the land before the send home begins to take effect. Bots can also buy the land as the send home is starting. Send the bot home - and the bot still gets the land.


How is the send home script harrassment:
1. It is targeting people with no warning.
2. It gose above 200 meters with no warning. The 'ban lines' only go to this point to allow fly overs. Not allowing land crossing is greifing.
3. It has been known to spam/crash browsers.

This isnt greifing now? It was yesterday.

Regardless of Linden approved, you can disregard that, unless the linden in question was philip linden. The newer lindens receive little training I hear, and you may know more of the TOS then they do. Thay do make mistakes and often disagree, or more of never agree in the first place, you as 5 lindens the same question you will get 6 different responses back.

While there isnt anything in the TOS against the existence of such a script, the use of such a script for greifing against users is against the TOS.

Griefing is normally considered targeted harassment.
You can not tell me that I am not being targeted, and I am not being harassed.

Do you really think that greifing is the way to stop this?
Personally I dont think so, but if you like to be a griefing, then I cant stop you.
But be warned, I may return the favor, however MINE will comply to the TOS.

Ok, I'm confused. Do those scripts target just a bot? Are they advanced enough to tell the difference between a player and a bot? Do bots have special keys or do they show up just like a regular person?

If these scripts target anyone over a person's property by sending them home, is that much different than ejecting them from the property? Do the Lindens find it to be a TOS violation to teleport people home from your own property? Is teleporting someone home part of the land powers such as freeze, eject, and ban? What Linden-given powers are granted to a land owner to protect their land from being bought by a bot?

There is no way for a LSL script to determan if its a bot or not.

People gather keys of the bots and add them to the scripts.
Thay also add anyone who is a know runner of a bot, or thay just dont like.

For whatever reason.

Teleporting home is an ablity thats slated to be removed, and it is a power of the land owner, and can send anyone you have the key home.

The land barons of old used LL provided tools that were available to all. It was a game anyone could get into and they didn't use the tools to create an unbreakable market.

The bot users have created "tools" that have destroyed the market. It simply isn't possible to get in any more.

Maybe it was difficult when 40 some odd people worked the lions share of the market. But it's impossible now that there are only a handful of you.

It amuses me that the people claiming that "bots are bad" are using statements like "they are only in it for the money" or it's just "pure greed" and act like they are the savior of the "oppressed masses" of second life.

In reality they are only using the "oppressed masses" to help bolster their own dwindling position of power. These people ARE land barons who feel threatened by land bots and have decided to use arguments that were once used against them, against the land botters in an attempt to convince people that by taking preventative measures against bots, SL will be a better place for all.

This is pure hypocrisy since preventative measures against bots only serve one purpose, to move the position of power back to the land barons and away from the land botters.

Before the bots it was the land barons that were the "evil" ones driving up land prices and stealing land. In reality, land prices had nothing to do with the barons, and has nothing to do with bots now, since no one person has enough land to impose their will on land prices. The only one who can manipulate land prices is LL since they own the infrastructure.

The land barons will use arguments about search breaking, land prices, pure unadulterated greed, market crashes, and any excuse they think will server their purpose and bolster their position.

In reality they are only concerned with one thing, their bottom line, their money and their power.

Its ironic that they would claim "they are for the people, just look at all the good things they do for SL" while in the same breath claim that any act of philanthropy by the land botters is just a cunning trick used to make them appear less evil. This is pure unadulterated hypocrisy.

Now I know they will try and attack my character to try and convince you that my comments are not valid or some how irrelevant. Ok I'll save them the trouble. I have sold copybot, I do and will continue to use bots, and I am also involved in cutting land to sell as ad space.

They will of course ask you to dismiss my arguments as "rubbish" because I am supposedly "evil". But that would be exactly what they want, don't think just accept. I am not asking you to like me, agree with me, or even get involved in this "war". All I am asking is think about this situation and all arguments and consider how it affects you.

Because no matter how the land barons portray it, if you don't buy and sell land on mass, it doesn't affect you. The land barons would like you believe that this issue affect all of us and we need to rise up to stop this menace, but in reality there is only two sides and only they are affected. The land barons, who are fighting for, in their mind, control of the land market which they once had, and the botters who have found a more effective way to make money.

This is only about money, and who controls it. The barons might claim altruism, but it's a lie. Just look at who the loudest is in this "war", surprise, surprise it's the barons.

To the barons, this "war" is a "war of attrition". And unfortunately for you, computers (bots) don't think, they aren't sentient; they don't have morals or emotions, and will tirelessly perform their tasks until instructed otherwise. Making them the best "solders" in this "war of attrition", but then you know this already otherwise you wouldn't be complaining.

Some of you (land barons), understand that the only way to fight this "war" is by building a strong community of uninformed and blind followers to "convince" (see; bully) LL that they need to inhibit or ban bots, with the full knowledge that the only people this would serve to help is yourselves. Well good luck, because even if you manage to bolster your diminished ranks with uninformed, knee jerk reactionaries, in the end the ones left standing will be the bots, long after the rest have given up and/or gone to bed.

Oh and to the lackeys of the land barons that claim they don't sell land and have no vested interest in this "war" besides liberating SL from the big bot menace, why then are you continuing to spread the FUD that only serves to shift the balance of power back to them and in turn make them rich.

Marcus

I'm not a land baron. Nor a lackey of one. And I've explained my viewpoints earlier.

It could be you're the one spreading FUD, and/or other substances.

coco

My point exactly, neither side has the interest of the general SL public in mind. It's about money. Pure and simple. But then this leads into a bigger issue about LL and the economic structure of SL.

marcus

Doesn't work that way. The person with the fastest bot will get all the land. Sure there'll be an arms race to make your particular bot be the fastest, but the result will always be that all land will go to the fastest bot du jour. That's what we're seeing happen now, and that's the way it would remain if everybody used bots. There's nothing level about that playing field. Meanwhile, the average resident will be left out in the cold.

I agree, when you say rubbish, because that's basically what it is.

There is no way in the world, you will ever convince me, that allowing bots to use tools created with special skills outside of SL will be better for SL in the long haul.

On one hand, you are slamming the land barons for their actions, yet disregard the damage and trauma the bots are doing to residents, the market and to SL.

Land Baron = Evil, Bot = Good? That is what I hear you saying.

Most land barons barely made minimum wages, in hopes to make ends meet, yet the bots are pulling down 10s of thousands of dollars each month. You will never convince me, that bots are anything less than selfishly greedy.

I know hypocricy when I see it.

All this is about is money and power, anything else is a lie.

I'd have to disagree with you here, To me it's not about money, power, good, evil, bot, or land baron.

It's about the effect that bots have on the stability of the grid, I don't care about the prices, who makes the money etc.

If I see a piece of land that I really want I buy it, whether its 5 $L sqm or 50 $L sqm.

I was referring to the barons claiming they are trying to liberate the "oppressed masses" from the big bot menace.

marcus

This is a quote from Robin: "The landbots are creating an unfair market, and we have some ideas how to deal with them. Banning them is only a short-term fix, and not terribly likely to succeed, so we're working on a solution we hope will make them a poor business choice."

What part of this contradicts this so-called claim being made by land barons?