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AWM Mars
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08-10-2007 03:45
With topics like Voice and posting Pics on forums, blogs, websites etc.. all appear to be under the genure of 'guess who I am <waves to the rest of the world>'. I so often see this as people who are testing the social ladder to see what position others see them at, against their own percevied position. The thread 'Post your sexie avie' is typical of this style, along with other threads of 'The life of a SL hooker'.

People procliam that they wish to maintain their identiy in RL, yet they consistantly offer 'snippets' of information in an attempt to get peoples guessing, effectively to gain some sort of popularity. Personally I don't care if everyone knows I'm a man, although I fully understand the reasons why many women would perhaps wish to be more protective of their own identities due to to the likes of stalkers etc..

Getting back on topic, voice has proved useful and useless at the same time. I found out through my own experiences that, some people I could have a fluient conversation with using chat, now have trouble conversing using voice, as the processes of 'understanding' between the brains perception of the eye to brain link, as opposed to the ear to brain link, seems to have different levels of speed perception. Heavy accents do not always bleed heavily into types chat, whereas they are very prominent in voice chat and can actually cause the brain to spend more time decyphering what is actually being said, as opposed to the content of what is being said, effectively doubling the process, by which time a increase of information has flown by at a greater rate than with typed chat, where you have the ability to read history, before making a response.

Going back now to my first paragraph, I personally don't care what gender I am speaking to whilst looking at an avatar, but that maybe simply because I have played a lot of combat style games, whilst conversing in TeamSpeak with the 'clan/guild' members during a coordinated attack. For the most part, to create a successful group, you have to encompass the two genders, as some female only characters had the required skills, and you cannot simply hang about waiting on a real female to loggin to take up that role. So dual rolling was common. Furthermore, in some situations, female characters would be treated differently by most live opposition, being perhaps not killed or struck first in combat, giving a side with a high percentage of female characters an advantage, (I don't make the rules of nature, just aware of them).

I have spoken to many females ingame who I had a good suspicion where males in RL using female characters (which for most, became exposed at some later time, either through a 3rd party or by their own addmissions in private to me). As I am not looking for any sexual interaction from any source outside my marriage, it bothers me not. When the 'female' exposed 'his' gender to me in private, I would always respond with 'and this changes what?'.

Just because a male designer (as an example only) who is great at designing female clothing, decides to use a female character in game to 'front' their business, perhaps comes across as a social perception, whereby many may perceive a male designing, creating, and selling great female clothing is potentially Gay? Or that some females may consider perhaps not even going to look, let alone buy clothing made for females, but created by a man that wasn't Gay, to be of any interest. So the adoption of a female character is perhaps the only socially acceptable way?
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Ranya Palmer
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08-12-2007 04:01
From: Brenda Connolly
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ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!

*gets up off the floor and sits back down at computer and starts responding to
the thread*

i choose not to use voice because i can, plain and simple.

if you have a problem with that, oh well, big deal.

if you dont like my choice then you can go shove it up your..............uhhh nevermind

my point is that i refuse to use it because i dont feel like dealing with a buch of
uptight jerkoffs that think that if im a girl then i should prove it.

i dont have to prove a damn thing to any one.

i come to SL to enjoy my freedom away from RL and if i cant then i dont want to
be in SL anymore, but thats beside my real point.

i am some times cought off guard by some remarks made by voice users, ok
so voice is now here and already im being accused of being a guy because
i like to play with guns(and build them) in SL, the truth is i used to be a very
slow typer and since i've been in SL my typing speeds have greatly increased
and im not about to switch over anytime soon(if ever) so if you don't like me
because i don use voice then i have no need to ever associate with you.

another thing that pisses me off is that non-voice users are being singled
out as being "gender swappers" and i am constantly asked am i really a girl
and this really insults me as a woman who likes doing other things besides
going shopping for the latest fashion wear and going clubbing.

and another thing is that voice is separating people in SL(i could wrong though)
and i get enough of being singled out and racially profiled as a black female
in RL, this is not why i came to SL.

i come here to breathe in new life and have lots of fun, so what i don't do girly
things in SL i chose not to because i want my 2nd life to be much different from
my 1st life.

in the end, isn't that what SL is really about in the first place?
Baeric Constantine
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10-30-2009 12:12
From: Michael Bigwig
You can just mute the griefer. Then, he can no longer grief you with voice. If he chooses to continue griefing in text, well then, now it's documented. It's really not that difficult to understand and ignore guys.

As far as disclosure, well...you can disclose as little or as much as you want. No one makes you fill out the forms, and no one makes you talk into the microphone.


The problem needs resolving, not muting... why is this so difficult to understand for people? Muting is dealing with a symptom not solving the cause. LL needs to take more affirmative and assertive action to STOP the griefing per se.

Disclosure is not about whether I say something to another... its about the other breaching the confidence in which it was shared... that is the disclosure. Muting also does not prevent that...
Baeric Constantine
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10-30-2009 12:13
From: Michael Bigwig
You are a drama queen. I said nothing offensive. You'll find any way of flaming me, won't you?


The only flaming I see is the last statement you made about cross-gender - it is offensive.
Scylla Rhiadra
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10-30-2009 12:17
Whoa . . .

So wait. You're picking this fight up for where you left off nearly TWO YEAR AGO???

:eek:
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10-30-2009 12:18
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Brenda Connolly
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10-30-2009 12:19
From: Lindal Kidd


No shit! But it is fun reading this again. :cool:
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10-30-2009 12:19
Baeric Constantine
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10-30-2009 12:21
From: Monalisa Robbiani
Knowingly endangering someone else's health goes beyond griefing. If you do it on the phone I think it is a criminal offense.


IF you do it anywhere is can amount to a criminal offence... but that is not in question... its the enforceability, the production of evidence to support the claim and eye witness accounts...

Therein lies the difficulties.
Scylla Rhiadra
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10-30-2009 12:23
Do you think maybe he doesn't KNOW that all this time has passed? Maybe it's a Rip Van Winkle thing, and he's woken up, shaken the cobwebs from his keyboard, and taken it up where he left off? :p
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Brenda Connolly
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10-30-2009 12:25
Wow..this is so cool...some of the people posting in this thread...what memories!

*sniffles*
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Baeric Constantine
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10-30-2009 12:26
From: Michael Bigwig
Monolisa, Colette...you guys should get together and go bowling. :) Seriously.

:)

Voicers don't cause harassment. You guys do...ok, wait...actually, that wasn't my point. Voicers don't cause harassment--it doesn't matter where you're from, what system you're on, what your preferences are, or whether you use a mic or not...if you like harassing people, you'll do it in ANY fashion available. Voice hasn't changed this one bit...don't pretend it has.

And with the option of mute, and the option to even enable voice, you should feel completely safe and at ease. If you're being ignored, you're in the wrong crowd.

One last thing: Mona: I don't think you really understand the connection between "virtual" and "inter-reality"--you should check those out in Wikki, and then try flaming me again. Your argument holds no water. Just because we now have voice, does not mean that our AV's and their egos are no longer virtual. It's all still virtual. But you sitting at home...are in the flesh...this is "inter-reality." It would be fully virtual if we ourselves were digital entities--at least, that's what you seem to be implying. Make sense?

:) Peace



Seems to me a distinct lack real knowledge and wiki does not really count as a credible source thus, whether the information is accurate or not, it cannot be held to be credible. A person claims space by injecting themselves into that space, and so do that in any environment, the person will utilise the tools at their disposal. Thus in SL a person injects their real persona whether they like it or and the it is the person behind that avatar that is the focus of the law or TOS or CS... not the avatar.
Scylla Rhiadra
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10-30-2009 12:27
No, really though. This is SERIOUSLY weird . . . :eek:
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Baeric Constantine
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10-30-2009 12:31
From: Monalisa Robbiani
Voice brought an atmosphere of social pressure into the SL world, especially (if not only) for women. Most Lindens are probably men and they cannot imagine what it feels to be a female user facing two options: Talk over crisp phone lines to complete strangers OR getting harrassed for not doing so. It's cruel and mean.


That seems rather absolute "especially (if not only) for women"... not everyone pressures a person to talk in voice.
Bec Sadofsky
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10-30-2009 12:37
From: Scylla Rhiadra
No, really though. This is SERIOUSLY weird . . . :eek:


Scylla I have to agree with this is just freaky
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Scylla Rhiadra
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10-30-2009 12:38
And I can't help but notice that Baeric actually POSTDATES the original discussion . . . meaning, of course, an alt?

Or a zombie perhaps? There certainly is something a bit robotic about the responses to 2-year old points . . .
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10-30-2009 12:39
*waves to Brenda, Scylla, Bec, and Brenda*
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10-30-2009 12:39
From: Bec Sadofsky
Scylla I have to agree with this is just freaky


Yup...it's Halloween.

It's extra freaky since Bigwig just resurfaced here in the forums yesterday.
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10-30-2009 12:40
From: Maureen Boccaccio
*waves to Brenda, Scylla, Bec, and Brenda*


Put on some coffee, Mo. I'll get some donuts. This could be fun.
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Bec Sadofsky
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10-30-2009 12:40
Its like having an argument with one self. Which is just confusing me more. But I wonder what side will win

/me sniffs her water nope nothing funny in the water
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Scylla Rhiadra
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10-30-2009 12:41
From: Brenda Connolly
Yup...it's Halloween.

It's extra freaky since Bigwig just resurfaced here in the forums yesterday.

Yes, that occurred to me too.

I have a theory as to why he is ignoring my comments. See, I WASN'T YET BORN when the original thread got started!!! Which means, that, for him, I DON'T YET EXIST!!

Creepy, eh?

/me waves back to Mo! :)
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Scylla Rhiadra
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10-30-2009 12:41
From: Michael Bigwig
You can just mute the griefer. Then, he can no longer grief you with voice. If he chooses to continue griefing in text, well then, now it's documented. It's really not that difficult to understand and ignore guys.

As far as disclosure, well...you can disclose as little or as much as you want. No one makes you fill out the forms, and no one makes you talk into the microphone.

Out of curiosity, I wonder how many cross-gender AVs there are, and I wonder how many of these people are sizzling with anger about their true identity possibly being uncovered. Well...I guess all you have to say is the standard, "I don't have a mic." It works every time.

I can see why so many people are in an uproar. Their hidden identity (gender) could be revealed.


Or, you could be deaf............ :o Seriously I'm not in an uproar, and I have spoken into the mic, if someone else seems to have a concern about gender. Since I'm not gender swapping I have no issues with easing someone's mind if it's a big deal to someone else. It's never a big deal to me.

Oh Lord. I just noticed the dates on this thing. Jeesh. :p
Jig Chippewa
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10-30-2009 12:42
I will not use voice in sl. It is prolly one of the most dangerous things you can do. Try sitting around a conference table and using web cam and voice. At least that's business but this is purely insane - you truly dont have a clue who is speaking to you on intimate terms and you dont know how many other people are listening to you.

It puts a whole new edge on the orgasmic groan.

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No effing chance!
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Scylla Rhiadra
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10-30-2009 12:44
OMG, and he's got Jig and Treasure under the power of his zombie mind-warp thing!!!!
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10-30-2009 12:45
From: Brenda Connolly
Put on some coffee, Mo. I'll get some donuts. This could be fun.


Your wish....




Oh, but this looked good, too.

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