Gender Identification

Maybe I'm just lucky, or maybe it's because my avatar doesn't look like a Barbie doll. (I think I'm pretty, but I'm athletic-pretty, not pornstar-pretty.) But I certainly don't get inundated with crude sexual advances all the time. Sure, once in a while, especially if I visit a place that is frequented by people who are just off the boat. (Those, I either talk to, letting them know what SL culture is like, or just walk away from according to mood.) Or if I visit Heaven Above the Clouds... but I'd be disappointed if I DIDN'T get sexual advances there

I wasn't protesting at all. Just trying to make a point that your "test" isn't very accurate.

I don't know why I even post to threads like these. People tend to read things into my posts (and other people's) that just aren't there. You know what they say about people that assume things don't you?

You can tell more from the way those questions are answered rather than the actual answers themselves, which I think is what Aimee was going for .

boy you can dish it out but you sure can't take it, can you?
what makes me "random av no one cares about?"
context in quote: marriage.
context of thread: relationships.
sl forum
please don't put words in my mouth. i never said you have no relationships.

Sorry, I just have to laugh at this.. I'm sure you didn't mean every person. As I'm a RL woman playing a Sl woman, and I do not have a kitchen in my house. I figure guys can take me out for dinner, and why use up prims on something I don't really need? LOL

Yeah, "inundated" was a poor choice of words. I wasn't trying for hyperbole, but I guess it came across that way. It really wasn't that often, but it sorta felt like an assault when men walked up and said, "Hey, wanna f**K?" As a man (in RL), it would just never occur to me to do this, and I have many male friends who would never do this (So, please don't mistake my comments as a condemnation of men in general). I don't know, maybe that's part of the freedom of SL, people can act out however they want. Maybe people who would never consider approaching someone in RL in such a crude fashion can play at doing it in SL. I guess that's ok.

As for me, I've discovered that there are lots more interesting things than sex to do in SL, so it's just simpler to have a male avatar.

I can identify as I am a male pretending to be a female pretending to be a male.

I would not want to simply pretend to be a female, as I would no doubt have to spend much time fighting off over-testosteroned males with marked delusions of grandeur as many of my RL and SL femfriends seem to do.

And as far as meeting some exciting female in SL whom may actually be a male, well as long as the conversation and attitude is good, who cares. After all, if you are concerned, maybe you should not be doing the naughty things you are doing with a total stranger. Your SL pp may fall off

Cheers,

Pablo

Well, when you have been female your whole life, you've encountered and learn to deal with all manner of approaches by males.

My avatar isn't Barbie doll-like whatsoever, yet I've had a number of occasions where a strange male comes up to me on my lot and makes crude advances, sometimes with his apparatus on display.

That is really just a form of griefing. They're hoping to get a rise out of you, probably because they have such a hard time getting a rise out of their own apparatus irl.

Most men are nice. Both in SL, and in real life. I think it's only scary or startling or off-putting to a guy, the way they are treated as a female, because they haven't had a lifetime of experience with it. It takes them off-guard, whereas women are skilled at playing the female side of the meeting/mating game, or indicating they are available for friendship only, as the case may be.

Most people - guys and girls - are just nice people, even in an anything-goes environment like SL. Or anyway, that's the kind I tend to meet, those griefers notwithstanding.

coco

Coco's right, I've known her a Long time and she's been subtly tested i suppose. In any case, in a few years of experience i'm confident of her. It doesn't Really work to Sit someone down, and have them take a written gender test.

Aimee has it more or less right, But I'm no good at Hand Bags as i've Never carried one, Nor have i ever had need of BC. If a woman wants to Know though, she WILL find out.

Most of the responses though are regarding Men pretending to be Women, but there are several Women out there in the Guise of Men as well. Why so Little concern over them?, (Or for that Matter, why so much concern over the Men-acting-as-women?) Guys, How would you Test to see if another Guy in your group Isn't a Female Infiltrator?

"Come Men, Lets retire to the Living room where we will watch the Three Stooges, and Scratch Ourselves."
John Goodman; The Rosanne show.


Angel.

I'd say it's easier to successfully impersonate a man than it is to impersonate a women. I know a few RL folks that play men online just cause they don't want to be hit on while they're playing. Trying to catch them isn't as much a 'test' as it is watching how they react to whom. People tend to be more attentive to people they find attractive, even if only an avatar. Doesn't tell you what gender they are... but it does hint at their persuasion.

In my days before SL I was active on MUDs my friends and I came to this conclusion:

Any female newbie using the word "nipples" in her text description must be a guy in RL. (or close enough to one for government work.

Lol,, wouldn't work for me, for the same reason i don't need BC.

A.

My friend at work uses a Black & Decker hand bag. ^_^ No kidding. She calls it a designer label handbag -- it came with some tool that her grandson got for a present, and he didn't want it, and she asked if she could have it, and he said, "If you'll actually use it as a handbag then it's yours."

I wonder what people would make of that kind of response to a handbag question? Lol. Although I suspect the answer is too bizaare to ever be a made-up answer by a guy pretending to be a girl. ^_^

I can tackle like a man!

I loved this one, lol.

I really have no contribution, except to say, short of dropping pants in front of Lindens, there's not much can be done.

If you're concened your virtual female escort is really a guy create sex bot then you are certain it is what it appears to be.

Now, that's an excellent flame bait. Congrats.
Would you ask an Everquest player if he's a dwarf or elf in RL? And what about someone's real age, level of attractivity, marital and financial status, or health condition? Is LL supposed to provide information about that as well? Would you feel being "tricked" if a 60 year old woman or a disabled person is behind the cute female SL avatar? I wouldn't ever call a human "undesired". Do you have a desired hair color as well? Or skin color?

What people rack their brain about... why is this question so utterly important? Because of the twisted morals we were all raised with? "If two male friends hug each other for longer than 8 seconds, they commit a sin! It's GAY, that's BAD, that's utterly WRONG and PERVERTED, it's an ABOMINATION IN THE EYES OF THE LORD!!!".
Geez. Please realize that on the internet you'll only meet people mind to mind. And a mind is something that both genders are born with. The possibility to ever meet an online acquaintance in RL is negligible, so why not happily interact from mind to mind, human to human, without ever worrying about this question? It's only roleplay. No one threatens your male integrity.

/Edit: btw, I'm sapiosexual. Why doesn't LL add IQ numbers to the profiles?

From all I read so far, I've expected better of you, Rubber there isn't much "typically male" or "typically female". My typing never changes, no matter how steamy it gets, I have a dozen pretty prim hairstyles, my wardrobe changes twice a day, my shoe collection is giant, I used to build not only kitchens but even complete bathrooms in other online worlds, and the shape of my 23rd chromosome pair reminds of the letters XY. Why do you even ponder about that or try to detect a behavioral pattern?

"Question: how can you tell when an SL RP participant has an orgasm?"

"I dunno, how Can you tell...?"

"They say 'oh, sorry - phone!'"

The question of what's a)typical or b)indicative is extremely hard to answer. The old joke says that typically, people loudly claim they aren't typical.

yet; social systems all around us work (or fail to) not because they must negotiate laboriously and frustratingly with gloriously unique people, but instead because as you pull your zoom lens back from the individual, so people begin to look more and more similar. We can argue about how many people have to be within your picture before fundamental samenesses emerge, but consider these two points:1) you can get a Poisson curve of a shared attribute out of a sample as small as 25 people, and I've seen them in samples as small as 15. 2) There's an old statistician's party game of guessing how large the party has to be before two people present share the same month, or week, or day, as their birthday. Almost everyone guesses wrong, thinking themselves more unique than they really are.

Then there are fields like NLP, which very strongly suggests that there are universal human signals for "I'm lying" or "I'm horny" or any number of other fundamental conditions. The question of how those signals come through when all you can use to send them are vocabulary, a small library of appearance choices, and timing, is extremely interesting as a piece of study.

"boy you can dish it out but you sure can't take it, can you?"

Dish what out? I called you a troll because you're acting like a troll: Flame baiting with the original post, inflammatory posts, insults, attacks, A refusal to answer questions, then a "What did I do?" attitude when called on it.

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Also, you haven't answered what makes me a 'noob'.

what makes me "random av no one cares about?"

And You STILL haven't answered it.
You haven't answered ANY question, only attacked.

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And, if you would, PLEASE can you point us at where you're getting your numbers?

sl forum"

Ok.. Where on SL Forum are you getting these numbers?

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As for my relationships, you don't know me. You have no idea who I am, and yet you seem to feel free to insult me and indicate that I have no relationships.

please don't put words in my mouth. i never said you have no relationships"

What you said was "personally i have a lot of relationships. you could too if you weren't so aggressive and judgemental" which indicates your belief that I have none, with the use of the words "you could too [sic]" . Thus, you did, in fact indicate that I have no relationships.

Nice try, though, with the "please don't put words in my mouth"...

I think I've said all I have to say to you.

Should you choose to actually answer a question, or say anything other than inflammatory attacks, then fine. Until then, please ignore me. I'll do the same.

Too true. But what do I know? I'm just a "noob", apparantly.



Amen to that!

Sapiosexual... I like that. Can I steal?

I'll give you "rectist".
Racism is when you discriminate based on race.
Sexiam is when you discriminate based on Sex.
Rectist is when you don't like assholes.

you have to keep things in context. people have preferences. for example, people prefer that my friends are who they say they are. people also have preferences in their partner. and yes some peoples preference does not include 60 yeard old men. for others it does.

gay is not an abomination, it's just not a lot of peoples choice. on the other hand i feel gay people who are looking for relationships in sl should be entitled to truthful relationships. we all know of the common theory of straight men posing as lesbians.

meeting of minds is a myth to me. i'm not christian, and i'm not a humanist. if minds were so distinct and privileged, why do people cut up and reshape their bodies. and if the internet is so devoid of the body then why do one third of all users engage it with their right hand only?

you asked relelvant question. the source of my statistic. i got it from the sl forums. the "under 18 epidemic" thread. if didn't engage this thread with your flamethrower, i might be more receptive to your off topic questions.

Wherever your original stat came from, I don't think it could be interpreted to mean that one third of all internet users use the internet to masturbate (or for related activities) only, or even mainly.

That people would use the internet to meet others, including romantic relationships, is hardly surprising. It's what people do everywhere, always. Try a graduate school department sometime, and see what a hotbed of sexual passion that can be, I kid you not.

I almost quoted Ishtara's (sp) quote about the meeting of minds just to say how perfect I thought that quote was, then decided against it. Then I read your response here, and wished I had.

I agree with you that people have a perfect right to their sexual preferences. But I think you are somewhat robotic if you haven't noticed how wonderful it is TO connect with people on a mind basis only.

I consider it the most liberating part of the internet, dwarfing even the information availability I enjoy so much. Because of the Internet, I am friends with people of all ages and genders, from all around the world. Oddly, even when we KNOW we are nowhere close in age, economic level, geographical location, physical handicap, or whatever, we still form close friendships.

That just doesn't happen between such diverse people in everyday real life, which is busy, and which already segregates people into age-appropriate and economic-appropriate activities and locations.

But online, in environments such as SL, you transcend all that, because as Ishtara said, it's purely one mind approaching another. I love that.

Without the physical, and without the geographical and social divisions, it's more purely about the mental and spiritual - and mostly, I think, about the spiritual. (By which I don't mean religion; I mean the spirit of a person.)

coco

Umm, interesting stuff. First off: what's so inherently unpleasant about men of 60 years of age? Small splash of demonisation of the old there... Secondly, I dunno about the other guys, but I can't see the appeal in posing as a woman in order to have sex with another woman - what i'd be watching is some puppet-play in which my character isn't ME, and what's more, I can't ask for the moves and the feedback that are relevant to me. In fact, it would be a pretty spine-chilling rejection of me and everything that I am, if I had to do that.

Meeting of minds is a myth? What are you , a book-burner or something?

Jauani Wu
pancake rabbit


Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 3,826 Gender Identification

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Is there anyway to tell if the woman you are talking to is not really a

man? or vice versa?

Is Linden Lab considering adding gender verification to protect people

from getting tricked into hooking up with the undesired gender of personal

choice?

This is of paramount importance to one third of all players!
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Is there anyway to tell if the woman you are talking to is not really a

man? or vice versa?
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Hello Jauani!

I think that if the answer to this question is of paramount importance to

you, then you have no choice but to ask the avatar what their SL gender

is. Or what their RL gender is. Or whichever is paramount to you. And I do

like that choice of word: paramount...quite fitting!

And then of course they can answer you to the best of their knowledge

(), or they can skirt the truth or they can lie or they can ignore the

question or they can disappear. You will be saying to them: I care about

you in a RL sort of way, but I only care about you if you have the

corresponding RL penis/vagina to go along with my RL penis/vagina.

So, if this is what you want to say to them, then by all means go ahead. I

just think you stand to lose more than you gain.

Also, I was trying to tease out your usage/definition of gender. Is it

truly gender at issue here or is it sex? Are you concerned about the

physical apparatus or the mental environment? The genotype or the

phenotype or the emototype?

If you define gender by one's X's and Y's then tell me please which of

these you are looking for:

The basics?
46,XX female
46,XY male

or perhaps:
46,XX male
46,XY female Swyer Syndrome

or:
47,XYY male
47,XXX female

or:
47,XXY male
46,XrXp female

or let's try some of the mosaicisms, shall we:
46,XY/47XXY male
46,XY/47,XXY male
asst- 46,XX/47,XXY/48,XXXY/49,XXXY male
45,X/46,XY male
46,XY/45,X0/47,XXY male
46,XX/45/X female

or go it alone?
45,X female
45,X0 female
45,Y you ain' never be'n born!

how about the intersexuals?
46,XX with 11beta-OH-CAH virilized females

Personally, I think that the hermaphrodites are onto something. I just

can't choose between the sequential and the synchronous. What do you

think?

And don't get me started on how long my fingers are or who inhabited that

second-hand womb before I got in there!

Best of Luck!
xyryx