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Lord Steadham
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Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 312
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05-25-2007 08:24
With friends like you, who needs enemies? _____________________
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Stylee Streeter
I am not an adfarmer ok!!
Join date: 5 Feb 2007
Posts: 190
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05-25-2007 08:42
Fundamentally, this is the real issue here. Thank you, Stylee, for pointing this out. This may be the only time I thank you for anything, but I'm sure it won't break your heart.  Some people in SL, like the land cutters and some of the bot runners, see SL as an online gaming world, and the way to win the game is to make lots of money. Other people, like participants in the Arbor Project and people who wish to make nice homes on the mainland, see SL as a virtual community and want to be good citizen participants in their online world. These two groups of people collide, and we end up with threads like this one. yes i can understand your point. but i guess thats why they have different areas for different folks. i.e. mainland, private, pg, mature etc |
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Stormy Weeks
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Join date: 17 May 2006
Posts: 147
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05-25-2007 08:44
its not my fault you dont like adverts. hey why dont you boycott your local tv station cos the commercial break is ruining your view! Commercial television is very different than SL. Because commercial breaks are what pays for the programming on my local TV Station. And I am also free to change the channel during that time. If you want to claim similarity with your "service" to commercial television, you would need to pay people's tier for them if one of your ads is nearby. |
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Stylee Streeter
I am not an adfarmer ok!!
Join date: 5 Feb 2007
Posts: 190
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05-25-2007 08:44
With friends like you, who needs enemies? ooooh fiesty!  |
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Stylee Streeter
I am not an adfarmer ok!!
Join date: 5 Feb 2007
Posts: 190
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05-25-2007 08:49
Commercial television is very different than SL. Because commercial breaks are what pays for the programming on my local TV Station. And I am also free to change the channel during that time. If you want to claim similarity with your "service" to commercial television, you would need to pay people's tier for them if one of your ads is nearby. lol poor response. firstly its not my service its LL's service, secondly, i pay my tier, like everyone else. thirdly the businesses that advertise pay their tears too and therefore need to generate income from ads to be able to do so. ok even if this is not a 'Game', and just a virtual copy of the real world we all dislike billboards in real life, but you cant go around defacing them just cos you dont like them. |
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Stormy Weeks
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Join date: 17 May 2006
Posts: 147
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05-25-2007 08:58
lol poor response. firstly its not my service its LL's service, secondly, i pay my tier, like everyone else. thirdly the businesses that advertise pay their tears too and therefore need to generate income from ads to be able to do so. ok even if this is not a 'Game', and just a virtual copy of the real world we all dislike billboards in real life, but you cant go around defacing them just cos you dont like them. My "poor response" pointed out that you had absolutely no idea what you were talking about when you compared SL to a television program and SL ad plots to television commercials and the broadcasting business. You have still failed to address this, although I wasn't really expecting an intelligent response. Successful businesses in SL do NOT generate their income from 16m ad plots, no matter what you might think. Then again, I am an adult and don't consider teh elite gaming skilzez to be a measure of success. |
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Kitty Barnett
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Join date: 10 May 2006
Posts: 5,586
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05-25-2007 08:58
These two groups of people collide, and we end up with threads like this one. The virtual community can exist fine (better actually) without adcutters, but land traders can't survive without a virtual community. These aren't two groups that merely coexist and collide, one is just leeching off the other. You simply can not engage in land extortion without fully realizing that your actions have negative consequences to someone else or you wouldn't be doing it in the first place. People like those jumping up to defend themselves in this thread and others know exactly what they're doing but try and hide behind a facade of ignorance. |
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Sindy Tsure
Will script for shoes
Join date: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 4,103
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05-25-2007 08:59
ok even if this is not a 'Game', and just a virtual copy of the real world we all dislike billboards in real life, but you cant go around defacing them just cos you dont like them. You sure you're going to stick with that one? |
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Annabelle Vandeverre
Heading back to Real Life
Join date: 30 Nov 2006
Posts: 609
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05-25-2007 09:11
It's not quite that simple. The virtual community can exist fine (better actually) without adcutters, but land traders can't survive without a virtual community. These aren't two groups that merely coexist and collide, one is just leeching off the other. You simply can not engage in land extortion without fully realizing that your actions have negative consequences to someone else or you wouldn't be doing it in the first place. People like those jumping up to defend themselves in this thread and others know exactly what they're doing but try and hide behind a facade of ignorance. That's a good point. Perhaps I am oversimplifying it a bit. I would add that the gamers/leechers who are here to profit and "win the game" probably really don't give a rip about being good citizens, because that is not their purpose for being here. This is a game to them. Therefore, they really couldn't care less about the misery they inflict on the virtual community. It is not of any concern to them whatsoever, because their own goals, which are self-centered and not community-oriented, are what drives them. _____________________
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Valentino Tendaze
Eternal Optimist
Join date: 9 Jan 2007
Posts: 279
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Possible solution on JIRA
05-30-2007 09:15
JIRA issue SVC-246.
If you want to vote for it, there is a bug in JIRA logins. First, go to the homepage https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/Dashboard.jspa to login, then go to the issue page: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-246 The vote option will be in the left menu at the bottom. In summary, the proposal is that people will need to own at least "something like 256sqm land per sim"... it "wont stop advertisements but would see them having to invest more in individual sims where they would have more prims available to use and would be able to create much more effective advertising platforms". There is additional information on the JIRA issue page. _____________________
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Checho Masukami
UnRez it or use a hammer
Join date: 6 Oct 2006
Posts: 191
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05-30-2007 10:57
i have nice plots on nice sims, and 16s on crappy sims. Please, pleeeeeeeease! somebody buy a plot next to one of his "nice sim plots" and fill it with ads!!! _____________________
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Ciaran Laval
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 11 Mar 2007
Posts: 7,951
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05-30-2007 13:15
JIRA issue SVC-246. Had that im'd to me today and I agree with it. My first reaction when I saw this issue raised was "tough titty", but I've reconsidered my position due to how annoyingly ugly these things are. |
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Giannia Rossini
Registered User
Join date: 20 Mar 2007
Posts: 145
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05-30-2007 13:18
ok even if this is not a 'Game', and just a virtual copy of the real world we all dislike billboards in real life, but you cant go around defacing them just cos you dont like them. Actually you can, and people do. They can also be outlawed. Which is what I would suggest. A political movement to lobby SL to ban them. |
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Kitty Barnett
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Join date: 10 May 2006
Posts: 5,586
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05-30-2007 13:29
In summary, the proposal is that people will need to own at least "something like 256sqm land per sim"... it "wont stop advertisements but would see them having to invest more in individual sims where they would have more prims available to use and would be able to create much more effective advertising platforms". Disallow a "for sale to everyone" for a parcel under 256m² takes away much of the extortion threat; and something LL cares about a lot more: it reduces the search database load by having every parcel under 256m² removed from the land search and the world map. (And ideally a setting that keeps the viewer from rendering content on 16m², enabled by default ) |
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Tybalt Brando
Catalyst
Join date: 25 Dec 2006
Posts: 347
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05-30-2007 13:45
Hmm here's an idea. Start some groups of people in SL with ethics (Ethics....yum). Start buying the 16m plots of land. Sell them to parcel owners bordering it AT COST. Take away the market for them completely.
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Ace Albion
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Join date: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 866
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05-31-2007 01:28
If you're going to form a group to go round buying up 16m2s at any price, then some wag is going to see a nice demand for a market in fresh 16m2 plots.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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Join date: 30 Apr 2006
Posts: 1,534
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05-31-2007 01:30
Hmm here's an idea. Start some groups of people in SL with ethics (Ethics....yum). Start buying the 16m plots of land. Sell them to parcel owners bordering it AT COST. Take away the market for them completely. Uh why buy something and sell it at cost to bordering parcel owners who could have bought the parcel for the same price in the first place. _____________________
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Sarah Nerd
I BUY LAND
Join date: 22 Aug 2005
Posts: 796
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05-31-2007 01:33
i agree with what your saying there .... Its a land sellers trick .... they make the land around you essentially worthless.. I dont know about the lindens removing 16 m parcels ... but i agree its REALLLY ugly ... Ive had to sell land in the past due to the very same reason ... and a major loss as I couldnt bare to look at them any more. I noticed last night ... there was a few and the pictures were REALLLY nasty ... and the 16smw plots were up for 3k EACH!!!!!!!!! so it goes to show you doesnt it. Don't apply that trick to all land sellers. Most land dealers are strongly against land cutters and spammers and actively supportive of Arbor Foundation. Spam farm dealers are a special breed that most consider griefers rather than land sellers or dealers. |
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Sarah Nerd
I BUY LAND
Join date: 22 Aug 2005
Posts: 796
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05-31-2007 01:36
Sorry to hear about that, Latonia. If you buy where there are a lot of fresh 512s for sale, there is a 90% chance some will be carved up by ad farmers and your view destroyed. I am a member of the Arbor Project. I had another run-in with a 16meter ad farmer last night and I must say that while we are all God's creatures and I love everyone unconditionally, I hope all spam farmers die a slow and painful death choking on the few extra nickels they make defacing the Mainland with their ugly ads. Every estate owner owes them a huge debt of gratitude for sending people their way. ANYONE who carves up 16s is basically making the Mainland unlivable if you have any aesthetic sense at all. They are a micro-example of the greed that is killing our planet: The only thing they care about is short-term profit at the expense of others, community and the environment. And no, I don't feel like I'm overstating anything. It's the same exact self-seeking myopic dynamic that must be changed if we are to survive, in SL and RL. That's why I have this in my signature: Read Eckhart Tolle's book, "A New Earth". It is with that happy note that I bid you farewell. I'm going afk to clear my RL cache and I'll be back around June 17. Try not to miss me too much. Has anyone told you they loved you today? Because I sure do. You will always be my forum hero. |
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Stylee Streeter
I am not an adfarmer ok!!
Join date: 5 Feb 2007
Posts: 190
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05-31-2007 02:33
Please, pleeeeeeeease! somebody buy a plot next to one of his "nice sim plots" and fill it with ads!!! lol. if that happened id just chop mine up aswell |
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Stylee Streeter
I am not an adfarmer ok!!
Join date: 5 Feb 2007
Posts: 190
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05-31-2007 02:35
JIRA issue SVC-246. If you want to vote for it, there is a bug in JIRA logins. First, go to the homepage https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/Dashboard.jspa to login, then go to the issue page: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-246 The vote option will be in the left menu at the bottom. In summary, the proposal is that people will need to own at least "something like 256sqm land per sim"... it "wont stop advertisements but would see them having to invest more in individual sims where they would have more prims available to use and would be able to create much more effective advertising platforms". There is additional information on the JIRA issue page. lol. like thats ever gonna happen. you people are dreaming. LL generate a tidy income from 16 plots. why would they ever want to get rid of them?? |
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Ee Maculate
Owner of Fourmile Castle
Join date: 11 Jan 2007
Posts: 919
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05-31-2007 02:37
lol. like thats ever gonna happen. you people are dreaming. LL generate a tidy income from 16 plots. why would they ever want to get rid of them?? As long as the money made from them stays in SL then LL get nothing from the 16 plot sales, it's the people who sell them on that make the money? |
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Stylee Streeter
I am not an adfarmer ok!!
Join date: 5 Feb 2007
Posts: 190
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05-31-2007 02:48
As long as the money made from them stays in SL then LL get nothing from the 16 plot sales, it's the people who sell them on that make the money? what about the tier fees the ad plot sellers pay? |
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Latonia Lambert
Registered User
Join date: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 425
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05-31-2007 03:22
Someone appears to have bought all the ad land behind me and they have all gone - yay! It's now one plot.
Stylee, I can see no justification for cutting up land whether you perceive the surrounding area ugly or not. You are hardly improving the area by land cutting. What constitutes an ugly sim in your eyes? What tier fee? on a 16sqm plot lol. |
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
Join date: 1 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,735
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05-31-2007 04:04
Someone appears to have bought all the ad land behind me and they have all gone - yay! It's now one plot. Stylee, I can see no justification for cutting up land whether you perceive the surrounding area ugly or not. You are hardly improving the area by land cutting. What constitutes an ugly sim in your eyes? What tier fee? on a 16sqm plot lol. The fact that they own the land is all the justification they need. If you didn't like the ads, you should have bought the land and kept it "pristine". |
