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Where In The World Is Magellan Linden?

Salazar Jack
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04-29-2008 12:28
I have talked with Ilia and HeadBurro in that past about some of my theories concerning the Lindens' decision to impose the +-4 meter terraforming limit on all newly gridded land that began with the Kahruvel Forest area back in early 2004. Rodeo, Stinson and the nearby regions south of Immaculate were among the first to be sold using the Lindens new auction system. The terraforming limit was established at the same time. Those first regions make up much of the current Forest of Kahruvel today. Since then we have found artifacts and ruins just below the surface of urthara, but we are unable to dig any deeper than 4 meters due to the terraforming limitation. There seems to be much more buried there, we just can't get to it. Indeed, we have been unable to even detect very much of anything below the surface with neither the Lindens' UI nor Grandma Thetan's gini device.

The Phyneas Jack Memorial Trust, the group that owns the forest, has been of the belief that there is something buried there (and elsewhere that shares this restriction) that the Lindens are either protecting or don't want us to find out about. I just realized today that if Ryan Linden is indeed a part of LIER, it is very curious that he has always owned three large parcels in the Forest of Kahruvel. Two in the forest's interior in Stinson and one on the coast at the southwest corner of Stinson that borders with Abbotts and Rosedale. That Linden-owned Rosedale and Omidyar bookend the forest has not escaped the Trust's notice either.

Over the years, we have been able to determine that the whole area was buried at some point by an eruption from Mt. Pomponio long ago. Perhaps thousands of years ago. We're still trying to map out how far the ashfall extended. The recent discovery of what seems to be a lava vent near Osprey's property in Bodega is an indication that the volcano's suburtahran lava system may extend for many regions.

Another theory... could the impact of the asteroid/meteor that created the Heteracera Atoll 50,000 years ago have any bearing on this? I suppose it could have played a roll in the formation of Mt. Pomponio, Mt. G'al and the other volcanoes in the area. Maybe there was something in the projectile that vaporized and was spread over parts of this world, like the iridium layer that was found on Earth left from an asteroid impact 65,000,000 years ago.
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04-29-2008 12:43
Is there any more news about the strange occurrence in Nova Albion that has been haunting my thoughts since you mentioned it? Specifically, you indicated that in the city, where NO terraforming is allowed, someone had been able to terraform. I think the ban on terraforming might indicate something important. How was that person able to by-pass that ban - and to what effect?
Salazar Jack
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04-29-2008 12:50
From: Osprey Therian
Is there any more news about the strange occurrence in Nova Albion that has been haunting my thoughts since you mentioned it? Specifically, you indicated that in the city, where NO terraforming is allowed, someone had been able to terraform. I think the ban on terraforming might indicate something important. How was that person able to by-pass that ban - and to what effect?


I'll contact Eddie at the Nova Albion Detective Agency and see if he can turn up anything.
Solomon Devoix
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04-29-2008 15:35
Something odd, not in that area, but odd nevertheless. Just recently a parcel in Moran was reclaimed by Governor Linden and auctioned off (to an adfarmer who is busy slicing it up, more's the pity, as it's along a Linden road). The odd thing is this: I happened to notice that the "claimed" date, after it had been reclaimed by Gov. Linden, had the year listed as 1694. I still don't know what to think about that.

It probably doesn't relate, but in light of the speculation about older buried stuff the Lindens don't want us to notice, I have to wonder...
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FD Spark
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04-29-2008 16:00
From: Salazar Jack
There is a new empty pool in the Wood Between The Worlds:

http://www.ea-land.ea.com/blog/


I wonder how many more more pools will join Uru and TSO when they dry up this year?

Personally I would like to do rescue mission to rescue abandoned TSO members who are about to lose their world and bring them over here if I could find away Captain Jack
Any suggestions?
My computer won't load the program sir though. It just won't work.
I think we need to figure out how to get the refugees over here though and help them a whole lot more the rescuing then finding the beloved Magellian Linden from where ever he is.
I think he would understand and appreciate that more possibly.
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Salazar Jack
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04-29-2008 16:19
From: FD Spark
Personally I would like to do rescue mission to rescue abandoned TSO members who are about to lose their world and bring them over here if I could find away Captain.
Any suggestions?


A worthy mission.. a worthy mission indeed. I would hope that those with close ties to folks preparing to leave the world of the Sims can offer them lodging during the crossover window. It might be nice to find places that remind them of their former world... places like Nova Albion, Shermerville, Boardman and the like. I suppose the new Bay City will have a very familair feel to them as well, what with it's pattern-replicating street layout. Perhaps some nice postcards shot in an isometric style (Is that the right term?) sent their way to encourage them to visit? Of course that is a more nostalgic viewpoint I'm sure, I have never visited TSO and have missed out on all the more immersive views afforded those in the most recent era.

If their world is still spinning, perhaps a recon mission to make folks aware of an escape plan? Complete with care packages with directions, photos, SLurls and the like? Perhaps a note to the Lindens to introduce some Sim-like last names, much like they did with the Therians? HeadBurro might have some travelogues he can pass along. Might be nice to have a local slant to one that compares how things are done in TSO with how they are accomplished in SL.. to make the transition easier.

Someone could do an Emergency Broadcast System video tailored to Sims seeking a safe haven and post it to youtube and blip also.

Sometimes we think of sims as just big areas of land. We need to remember that Sims are people too!
Salazar Jack
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04-29-2008 16:29
From: Solomon Devoix
Something odd, not in that area, but odd nevertheless. Just recently a parcel in Moran was reclaimed by Governor Linden and auctioned off (to an adfarmer who is busy slicing it up, more's the pity, as it's along a Linden road). The odd thing is this: I happened to notice that the "claimed" date, after it had been reclaimed by Gov. Linden, had the year listed as 1694. I still don't know what to think about that.

It probably doesn't relate, but in light of the speculation about older buried stuff the Lindens don't want us to notice, I have to wonder...


Random associations perhaps... but here goes:

1) I have been speculating that the Lindens have been experimenting with time travel, most noticeably with the region rollbacks that they now routinely perform. Perhaps this Claimed Date is an artifact of such an experiment?

2) The FIC badge that Magellan left at his camp site in Gaeta had the web site "www.fetedinnercore.com" in its description. If you visit that site you'll notice that the date at the bottom is also in the 1600's. Also notable is that Phoenix Linden's rez date, at least on one of the wiki's, is the same as the date on that web site – which is also Joan of Arc's birthdate.

I wonder if it's possible that during a temporal experiment the land was reclaimed by the Governor and the Grid locked on to that date, instead of the current date?
FD Spark
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04-29-2008 16:30
I escaped the TSO/EA lands in 2003 but there were people and things that were very inspirational about the avatars I had met and befriended a long the way.
Some of names and people I don't remember any more they are faded in history.
Yet I have found memories of the sisters who called me long distance to teach me content
with Paintshoppro even though I have now no memories of how to make the magical lines appear again.
There was so much talent out there of artist, skin makers, magical hackers that created new animations within the Sims games then TSO happen and lot of us became sucked into the skill training camps where are minds and creativity seemed sucked dry so we could develop enough funds for our sims.
It was hard time but I met so many people I just wish I could remember who they are and if the managed to escape, if they already escaped to better world?
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Salazar Jack
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04-29-2008 16:38
From: FD Spark
I escaped the TSO/EA lands in 2003 but there were people and things that were very inspirational about the avatars I had met and befriended a long the way.
Some of names and people I don't remember any more they are faded in history.
Yet I have found memories of the sisters who called me long distance to teach me content
with Paintshoppro even though I have now no memories of how to make the magical lines appear again.
There was so much talent out there of artist, skin makers, magical hackers that created new animations within the Sims games then TSO happen and lot of us became sucked into the skill training camps where are minds and creativity seemed sucked dry so we could develop enough funds for our sims.
It was hard time but I met so many people I just wish I could remember who they are and if the managed to escape, if they already escaped to better world?


Sometimes, when an erase occurs it's not just prims and objects that disappear–memories are erased as well.
FD Spark
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04-29-2008 16:48
Yeah I started post here about how we could welcome and assist the TSO/EALanders to come over here since their world is no more as of August.
Not sure how we do outreach or open up refugee camps to help them adjust to our world or not.
Just a thought since there is going to be lot of homeless, worldless suffering EALanders who are angry and don't want to partake in any more EA products soon.
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Salazar Jack
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04-29-2008 16:49
From: Salazar Jack
Perhaps a note to the Lindens to introduce some Sim-like last names, much like they did with the Therians?


Sims
Simpson
Simpleton
Simmel
Simpton
Simmelman
McSimmer
Fitzsimmons
Simperfie
Simsparza
Simfield
Simroe

etc.
FD Spark
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04-29-2008 16:51
From: Salazar Jack
Sims
Simpson
Simpleton
Simmel
Simpton
Simmelman
McSimmer
Fitzsimmons
Simperfie
Simsparza
Simfield
Simroe

etc.

Maybe but this might be painful to them as being pricked by Simthorne
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Salazar Jack
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04-29-2008 16:55
From: FD Spark
Maybe but this might be painful to them as being pricked by Simthorne


That could very well be. If so, one can always choose an unrelated name. But to have the ability to preserve some of one's past by taking a name that show's one's heritage could also be quite comforting.
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04-29-2008 17:00
I think if there is way to do it if we can open a refugee camp for EALanders and invite them to come we should call it Camp Magellian and have things on to explore and do in SL.
And have weekly support groups for refuges of TSO and EAland.
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04-29-2008 17:10
I too was a TSO member for several years. Not to brag but I had it all, an Island in DC, all the Rares Millions of Simolians and worked in the most successful store in BF. There were two friends who went to SL and would come back and tell me about it and how I should come see but I only had dial up so couldn't go. Then where I live got Cable..... whooo hoooo!!!

I hadn't thought of SL until I went to a skill place to talk to another friend and was told she had gone to SL to see what it was all about and would be back, she had been gone for 2 days. I decided to go find her, tracked her down and we both have been here ever since. We have fond memories of TSO but wouldn't go back... hated skilling but loved Pizza and Paint Poker:)

I have brought some over that couldn't "get it" and went back and a few others that are still here. Used to wonder how many others are here and know there were groups for people from TSO. I think most have different names but I have the same name I had there, of course we didnt have last names.
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04-29-2008 17:32
I started doing digital content because of the Sims and collecting content.
So do have fond memories of those Sims Worlds but I have no real interest in going back to similar world.
It seems to limiting now to be held prisoner by your avatar's need for "greening" needs.
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Kim Anubis
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04-29-2008 21:25
From: Salazar Jack
I have been speculating that the Lindens have been experimenting with time travel, most noticeably with the region rollbacks that they now routinely perform.

From: someone
The FIC badge that Magellan left at his camp site in Gaeta had the web site "www.fetedinnercore.com" in its description. If you visit that site you'll notice that the date at the bottom is also in the 1600's. Also notable is that Phoenix Linden's rez date, at least on one of the wiki's, is the same as the date on that web site – which is also Joan of Arc's birthdate.

Perhaps exploring new lands wasn't enough to sate his wanderlust, and Magellan has become lost while exploring TIME. Or maybe he just found a really great pub in the 1600s.
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Salazar Jack
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04-29-2008 21:59
From: Kim Anubis
Perhaps exploring new lands wasn't enough to sate his wanderlust, and Magellan has become lost while exploring TIME. Or maybe he just found a really great pub in the 1600s.


Yeah.. a pub would do it all right.
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04-29-2008 22:12
From: Kim Anubis
Perhaps exploring new lands wasn't enough to sate his wanderlust, and Magellan has become lost while exploring TIME. Or maybe he just found a really great pub in the 1600s.

The RL Magellan "allegedly" died in 1521 (thanks, Google). If he is a time-traveller, maybe he went back to a time closer to his original time to escape the insanity of the sprawling civilization.
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04-30-2008 00:10
That's a different Magellan, however.
HeadBurro Antfarm
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04-30-2008 01:06
From: Salazar Jack
HeadBurro might have some travelogues he can pass along.


I'm shocked this is happening and although I have never visited that world or met any of its inhabitants (that I know off) I'm greatly saddened at their loss. Of course I'll pass along any and all of my guides, but of more use may be my current and on-going road trip across the first continent, Sansara.

It's slow going and has taken me away from the search for Magellan of late, but I think my ramblings about the old lands might be of interest to new inhabitants who feel swamped by the sheer enormity of landing in a new and unfamiliar world.
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04-30-2008 01:15
From: Salazar Jack
I have talked with Ilia and HeadBurro in that past about some of my theories concerning the Lindens' decision to impose the +-4 meter terraforming limit


How does this square with private islands, where it seems possible, depending upon the whim of the land lord, to dig quite deep indeed? Are these newly created isalnds not actually part of the old world but rather some manifestation of will (and mula) made real?

Also, is there any way of analysing what may be beneath Ryan's lands? You know my theroy on energy nodes and the like, it could be he's sat on top of some key parts of the network, maybe even with some level of control over them...
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04-30-2008 01:19
From: Salazar Jack
Yeah.. a pub would do it all right.


And not necessarily a great one either... :)
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Salazar Jack
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04-30-2008 08:50
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How does this square with private islands, where it seems possible, depending upon the whim of the land lord, to dig quite deep indeed? Are these newly created isalnds not actually part of the old world but rather some manifestation of will (and mula) made real?


I don't have any real solid answers on this. Just more theories and questions. Although private island owners pay more and have access to more control over their areas, they are still rely on the Lindens for the underlying maintenance of their grid square and the overall Grid in general. They can control the elevation of their landscape and reveal objects that might be buried beneath the surface, but they still can't dig true caves and tunnels. They can't dig below the 0 meter limit.

Are the private islands part of the old world? Well, they are and they aren't. The Lindens seem to be going to a lot of trouble to site private islands with respect to keeping them separated, at least from the get go. Sure, islands can join up, but only if sufficient voids are allowed for once the joining is complete, which can alter the location of one or both islands – even sending the larger landmass to a completely different part of the Grid.

You see that very rarely on the mainland. Once a region is gridded and locked down it stays put almost 100% of the time. There have been a few mainland grid squares that have slipped positions or been outright moved to new locations, but not very often. Some may have been the result of Grid tectonics, but others seemed to be the result of direct Linden intervention.

My mom, and my grandparents, have been very adamant that the visible mainland, for the most part, looks as it did before the Erase. With the exception of the regions immediately north of the Forest of Kahruvel, beginning with Immaculate. Those regions have less restrictions on them for some reason and the original landscapes there have been terrraformed far beyond recognition, except for a few regions like Boardman and DeHaro which are locked down as severely as the neighborhoods in Nova Albion that Osprey recently mentioned. Grandma Thetan used to have a lot of farmland in that region before the Erase and it was the first place she went to when she returned here. Even bought some of it back up for a spell but could never seem to make it like it was, so she move near the Cowell village for a while and then bought Marcos Fonzarelli's townhouse in New Babbage and seems to feel right at home there. Says it reminds her of old Nova Albion.

The Lindens' Grid has made this world much more malleable. Way more than it was before. The terraforming limitations that the Lindens have imposed on the mainland continents have helped to preserve their original landforms, but the areas outside of the mainland seem to be in more of a state of flux. According to my grandparents, there are other continents and oceans out there, but the current patchwork of private islands doesn't seem to conform to the old landmasses very well. It's almost as if the private islands float on the Grid and aren't nailed down as much. The island owners can't move them, but can request the Lindens to have them moved, for a fee. These islands are true islands in the Void and that, perhaps, is what makes them so flexible. They can be moved to another location, like sliding tiles on a moveable puzzle. The Void buffers keep them from locking down and taking up real space. Maybe this plays into the experiments with time travel as well, maybe they are more flexible versions of space AND time and that's why areas like New Babbage, Caledon and other regions from the past and future are able to be accessed from the Grid?
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04-30-2008 12:18
I think the private islands are a product of much Linden Research research into the formation of the grid. I believe they have unlocked some of the secrets of time and matter by carefully examining what was spared by the Erase, and in the islands they need not disallow terraforming as there are no artifacts to dig up. Whether these artifacts are protected in order to keep the secrets safe, or because there is danger in exposing them to residents, can only be guessed at. Artifacts, or perhaps forces, hotspots, wormholes, and so on - their existence seems to be implied by the need for protected land.

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