Yes, Landbots screw us once again, so keep cheering them on!

And I don't think we should protect landbots as a whole because 2 of the whole bunch happen to give back errors. This type of speed and ability to be misused and take advantage of residents via error or bugs should be stopped.

And I don't think we should protect landbots as a whole because 2 of the whole bunch happen to give back errors. This type of speed and ability to be misused and take advantage of residents via error or bugs should be stopped.

We don't need to protect them. LL is doing it. And I agree with you, as always, Queen of all that is good in SL.

The answer is simple.

Never, ever, EVER, buy land. It is still not yours when you have 'bought' it. The words 'buy' and 'sell' when it comes to land in SL are highly misleading, if not fraudulent.

Instead, rent your land, especially from the private island sim owners. The MOST you stand to lose, ever, if anything goes wrong, is one week's rent. Renting is also honest. There is nothing else to pay, apart from the rent (as opposed to the ongoing 'tier' payments after you have 'bought' land).

Buying land is thwart with dangers, not only from the landbots (the threads on this are indeed heartbreaking, but salutary lessons should be learnt), but also from alt deletion (read the horror stories in the separate thread about this), random account deletions, money going through but land not transferred, land bought with all objects included, then it turns out that almost all the objects are no transfer, etc etc etc.

Anybody who buys land in SL is asking for trouble. The possibilities for disaster are legion, and new methods for losing all are cropping up all too often.

Kill the speculation, the landbots, the losses, the exposure, the grief, by renting. Private Island Sim owners can speak to a Linden about problems at any time through the Concierge service, so can help a tenant with any land problems they may have. You only have to read the forums to know the usual response from LL to residents (other than private island sim owners) is almost nil or less.

Get smart, get renting.

I think it's because until someone gets land stolen, or gets scammed they don't really have much compassion for the lose of others.

Bit Ironic the Bug report / repair system - Is in itself Bugged.

The answer is simple.

Never, ever, EVER, buy land. It is still not yours when you have 'bought' it. The words 'buy' and 'sell' when it comes to land in SL are highly misleading, if not fraudulent.

Instead, rent your land, especially from the private island sim owners. The MOST you stand to lose, ever, if anything goes wrong, is one week's rent. Renting is also honest. There is nothing else to pay, apart from the rent (as opposed to the ongoing 'tier' payments after you have 'bought' land).

Buying land is thwart with dangers, not only from the landbots (the threads on this are indeed heartbreaking, but salutary lessons should be learnt), but also from alt deletion (read the horror stories in the separate thread about this), random account deletions, money going through but land not transferred, land bought with all objects included, then it turns out that almost all the objects are no transfer, etc etc etc.

Anybody who buys land in SL is asking for trouble. The possibilities for disaster are legion, and new methods for losing all are cropping up all too often.

Kill the speculation, the landbots, the losses, the exposure, the grief, by renting. Private Island Sim owners can speak to a Linden about problems at any time through the Concierge service, so can help a tenant with any land problems they may have. You only have to read the forums to know the usual response from LL to residents (other than private island sim owners) is almost nil or less.

Get smart, get renting.

Well, let's see. Can this kind of thing happen on private islands?

coco

This kind of thing can't happen anywhere. I'm calling BS on this story

This kind of thing can't happen anywhere. I'm calling BS on this story - once you hit buy and are presented with the terms of the purchase, the purchase window doesn't "update", you're buying for the price stated in the window - regardless of whether someone tries to change the price after you've opened the window.

This kind of thing can't happen anywhere. I'm calling BS on this story - once you hit buy and are presented with the terms of the purchase, the purchase window doesn't "update", you're buying for the price stated in the window - regardless of whether someone tries to change the price after you've opened the window.

I doubt many people think landbots need protection - I wouldn't miss them a bit if they all poofed. It's more an issue if whether anything can be done about them.

Something can be done about MISC-204. Since that exploit is something that's also hurting non-bots, I'd love to see it get fixed. 15 votes is hardly a community up-in-arms about it, though - even the proposal to limit parcels to being no smaller than 512 has more support.

once you hit buy and are presented with the terms of the purchase, the purchase window doesn't "update", you're buying for the price stated in the window - regardless of whether someone tries to change the price after you've opened the window.

Not at all true. Last night after hitting buy on a cheap 512m plot, and while my account/funds/tier confirmation window was still up, some bonehead land flipper showed up and not only bought my plot and repriced it MUCH higher, but he also merged it with an adjacent 512m plot in about 10 seconds.. he also changed the graphic on the "for sale" box to his own. Only thing that saved me from buying twice the land i wanted for twice the money was a gut feeling because of the suspicious other green dot on the map. There IS, repeat.. IS a gap in the buying process after confirmation, and before its final that conditions of the items being sold can be changed.

Oh and btw- i dont believe this was a bot, just a really efficient flipper. I call him a bonehead only cause the FIRST plot he did this to was the one is was hovering over and obviously going to buy... kinda dirty. I wont go into how i feel about taking all the reasonably priced smaller lots, merging them, and effectively pricing them out of the range of 80% of the potential buyers. no.. there's no land problems at all

Something can be done about MISC-204. Since that exploit is something that's also hurting non-bots, I'd love to see it get fixed. 15 votes is hardly a community up-in-arms about it, though - even the proposal to limit parcels to being no smaller than 512 has more support.

I am not landbot I found cheap lot where I have the most of land holdings and when I got there I was talking to friend about it when I tried to buy within few mins the price had jumped to 9k from 6k.
I bought it and I don't regret it but it did bother me how that happen.
I saw no one around but price was changed on me and I got stuck paying more.

Private estate owners don't need to be clever or use bots to perform this sort of scam. They can sell land and then use the built in tools LL gives them to steal it back.

Where did he say that all estate owners are theives?

presumably not, but i suppose privately owned estates are too risky for bots to indulge in this kind of fraud. the estate owner could keep the bot's money, and return the land to its original owner - something Linden Lab absolutely will not do.
that's why i would expect this con to be far more prevalent on mainland than private estates anyway.

Private estate owners don't need to be clever or use bots to perform this sort of scam. They can sell land and then use the built in tools LL gives them to steal it back.

I think the context was somebody else said that estate owners were (or could) be using this bug to steal land from their tenents. Elanthius said that they didn't need to exploit the bug - they could steal whatever they wanted.

I don't like landbots at all and am not a fan of Elanthius but I think you're are taking his comment out of context.

OK well since my question was directed at him I will see if he has anything to say about it.

He seems to get defensive when people call landbot runners thieves and scammers in the forums, so I think it is an interesting choice of wording when referring to the region/estate tools purchased from LL as a part of private estate ownership.

Well, I don't think I get "defensive" although it's fair to say that I do enjoy leaping to my defense. I generally like to discourage the use of private sims since they have a negative affect on both my mainland rental business and my land flipping business.